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Different piano names/brands; lots of them. #2736816
05/15/18 12:37 PM
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As is my routine, (sometimes:-) I will scan the local Craigslist ads for pianos for sale in my area, just for fun and casual entertainment. I found this old upright in Newnan (about 30 miles away) and it spurred my interest to an extent. However, I've never heard of a "Philadelphia" brand piano. I immediately thought of "Cunningham", but it doesn't say Cunningham. Here is the ad: Old Philadelphia upright piano

I googled "Philadelphia piano" and kept getting "Cunningham piano". I also got the link to wikipedia's piano manufacturer's site, and still never found the "Philadelphia" brand piano, although lots of others were listed. Here is the list:

Lots and lots of different piano names, and still more not listed...

I know some makes are better than others, but wow, there are lots of them out there... smile

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736823
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From antique piano shop: They are looking for company information, but they do have advertising from the era
http://antiquepianoshop.com/online-museum/philadelphia-piano-forte-manufacturing-company/


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736828
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Thanks, dogperson. I guess the Philadelphia Co. is an obscure, little known brand. I'll bet Rich Galissini would know (maybe?). smile

I have a neighbor who is selling her home and moving in with her son and daughter-in-law. Her late husband ran an antique store for a while, and they have an old "Sears Roebuck & Co brand upright piano that he picked up somewhere. I've played it before and it has a rich tone for an old upright piano. I may ask her if she plans on having an estate/moving sale, but I do remember her late husband saying that their youngest son liked the piano. Of course, I certainly don't need another piano, but there is nothing wrong with tinkering. smile

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736844
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From the 1857 "New York Musical Review and Gazette" they won a "prize medal" in 1854, at least according to their ad laugh I daresay they predate Rick by a few years.

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736861
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Of course, I certainly don't need another piano...

But I suspect you might like one!

Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: David-G] #2736882
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Originally Posted by David-G
Originally Posted by Rickster
Of course, I certainly don't need another piano...

But I suspect you might like one!

I think either the Philadelphia or Sears pianos would be interesting to have, if only to preserve a unique and quirky bit of history!


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736887
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From the ad copy below (19th Century per the antiquepianoshop.com), one might infer that Philadelphia was losing ground to a competitor! Perhaps Cunningham... wink

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: squidbot] #2736892
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Originally Posted by squidbot
From the 1857 "New York Musical Review and Gazette" they won a "prize medal" in 1854, at least according to their ad laugh I daresay they predate Rick by a few years.

Link to ad


Cool link!

I wonder if C. Breusing, "Importer of FOREIGN MUSIC," at the "Dรฉpรดt of Erard's Grand Pianos," suffered from FUD from his fellow NYC piano dealers! wink


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736906
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Originally Posted by squidbot
I daresay they predate Rick by a few years.


Yea, but not by much. 160 years maybe? smile

If I live another 7.5 months or so, I'll be retiring from my day job at the end of the year, unless I change my mind between now and then. But there is a 99.9 percent chance I won't be changing my mind. smile

Perhaps I'll have more time to actually learn how to play a piano. But I do enjoy learning about the history and legacy of pianos from yesteryear!

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736916
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Here's what Pierce says:

PHILADELPHIA MFG. CO., Old square #614 at Stephen Foster Home in White Springs, Florida.


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736929
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Here's what Pierce says:

PHILADELPHIA MFG. CO., Old square #614 at Stephen Foster Home in White Springs, Florida.

Hum... so, the Philadelphia Co. piano wasn't made in Philadelphia after all. I'm disappointed (but not surprised:-).

Thanks, John!

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736931
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No, that particular piano was not located in Philadelphia at the time it was reported.


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736932
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Here's what Pierce says:

PHILADELPHIA MFG. CO., Old square #614 at Stephen Foster Home in White Springs, Florida.

Hum... so, the Philadelphia Co. piano wasn't made in Philadelphia after all. I'm disappointed (but not surprised:-).

Thanks, John!

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Yes, it was made in Philadelphia. Look at the link I sent you and the advertising. The company is listed as Philadelphia piano company address of Philadelphia Pennsylvania


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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736933
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Originally Posted by BDB
No, that particular piano was not located in Philadelphia at the time it was reported.

Yea, I kind of figured that out after the fact, BDB. I guess Pierce was referring to the location of an old square grand Philadelphia Co. piano, located at a Stephen Foster museum in Fla.? The mystery and intrigue continues... smile

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736935
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Originally Posted by dogperson
Yes, it was made in Philadelphia. Look at the link I sent you and the advertising. The company is listed as Philadelphia piano company address of Philadelphia Pennsylvania

Thanks, dogperson. I misinterpreted John's post about the info in the Pierce Piano Atlas.

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736962
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Although it looks a little redundant, the picture of the fall board gives the impression that in addition to being named Philadelphia, that they were also built in Philadelphia (or at least sold there). I like the name logo. Not so much the location.

If only Newnan wasn't so far... sigh.

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Re: Different piano names/brands; lots of them. [Re: Rickster] #2736966
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Retsacnal, I like the name on the FB too. Thing is, it's hard to know who really manufactured that piano. If you look at the other pics closely, it has the full cast iron plate. Many old uprights from the late 1800s and early 1900s has a 3/4 plate with the tuning pins installed directly in the exposed wood pin-block. Also, it looks to me like the piano has had some work done on it; the plate has been repainted, and the strings look to have been replaced at some point, and, maybe the hammers. The red felt under the non-speaking section of the bass strings definitely looks newer than the cabinet of the piano.

The fact that some of the hammers are half-way forward could indicate that someone removed the action and the bridal-straps didn't do their job, when reinstalling the action, and the action whippens are not set properly on the jacks/stickers. Otherwise, it would be odd that the keys would all stick in the same position. But I'm just guessing.

I have no desire to rush out and buy it, but it did get my attention when looking at the CL ad. smile

I'd still like to know more about the Philadelphia Co. made pianos...

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Rick, yeah, the thought crossed my mind that it might be a stencil. There doesn't seem to be a name cast into the plate (although the entire plate isn't shown). Intriguing, though, for sure.


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Check the second picture from the bottom on the far left. It looks like there's a square grand in the far corner of a big room. Could it have been Foster's actual piano?

http://www.exploresouthernhistory.com/stephenfoster


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