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Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto #2733287
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What is/was the smallest upright/vertical piano featuring a sostenuto pedal?

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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733306
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Probably the 45 inch Steinway.


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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733342
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Bechstein offers an option for their middle pedal on their uprights, practice mode or sostenuto. their 112 cm. model is approximately 44 in.
you might find a few (other than the tallest models, for uprights w. a middle pedal the practice pedal is more usual) other manufacturers offering the sostenuto pedal in the 44-46 in. size range for verticals, approx. 112-118 cm which is often part of the model number.

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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733363
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Good suggestions so far, but obviously, these are on the high end of uprights. While not particularly small at 121cm, Knabe does make a WKV121 that features a sostenuto...a good yet more affordable option with sostenuto. They actually have sostenuto pedal + practice mode connected to a lever, instead of the middle pedal.

I do not know if SMC, parent of Knabe, offers this feature on other brands that they distribute (depending on your location). More common in small uprights is a bass sustain instead of a true sostenuto. There are quite a few "school" models with this feature, typically ~115 cm.


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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733537
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Chordo24,

Off topic but relevant to you and to interested folk here. What an amazing instrument you play! Here is a video link to the obsolete Chordomonica

http://talk-music.proboards.com/thread/3203/hohner-chordomonica-ii

I now realise why sostenuto is important to you. My Blüthner upright is available with sostenuto but I would not make use of it.

Ian

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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733563
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For me and the music I play, there is little use for the sostenuto pedal. So if I were to buy an upright, the absence of a full sostenuto would not be a concern. That I have it on my Estonia is a bonus, I suppose, and I use it only very occasionally.

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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733671
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sostenuto is very useful for hackers with short hand spans like me - - can fake the chords beyond a ninth pretending it's a stride piano split.

Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733692
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If you can find a highly skilled piano technician, they can modify an existing action to install a sostenuto pedal. The cost at my shop would be around $2K depending on the type of action the piano has. If the piano does not already come with three pedals, the job costs far more.


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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2733706
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Mr.McMorrow, thank you for the very helpful information. the middle pedal of our nineteenth century upright was originally a moderator, maybe an effects pedal depending what material was raised between the hammers and strings, and the restorer replaced the original with felt, making it a quiet practice pedal. would making it a bass sustain pedal be a simpler job than a proper sostenuto ? if we lived closer to your shop would love to visit - - our other piano will need work on its hammers and/or action at some point. thanks again for your time.

Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2737168
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Thanks to all for your knowledgable replies. It seems that besides Knabe, which aren`t available as preowned in Europe, S&S 1098 would be my only choice. This would fullfill all of my requirements featurewise (agr/ dupl/ sostenuto). Unfortunately this is also rather rare in Europe. I haven`t had a chance yet to play one.

I wonder if there isn`t a chinese alternative.

Chordo24

Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2737185
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Originally Posted by Chordo24
I wonder if there isn`t a chinese alternative.

Chordo24
Other than the Knabe WKV121, I've not seen any uprights built in Asia with sostenuto that were not ~52". Yamaha has made some U3 variations with sostenuto (not common). Hailun has occasionally offered a sostenuto on a couple of their 52" models...but not always. In Europe, you can find Hailun pianos in some markets and Feurich (built by Hailun) in others. I've not seen it on any smaller models, and not always on the 52". I am not aware of any others.

If you purchased a hybrid like the Yamaha NU1X or Casio Grand Hybrid or Kawai's new hybrid, that would be a good substitute...smaller upright size with a working sostenuto and real action.


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Re: Small Upright/Vertical with Sostenuto [Re: Chordo24] #2737234
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How small do you need the upright to be? And why? Do you have to have it delivered by crane through a 115 cm window?

A new Knabe may be less expensive than a used Steinway.

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there are a small handful of exceptional vertical pianos under 120 cm (approx 48 in), but there are plusses other than a sostenuto pedal that the taller uprights have over the shorter. many companies make the taller verticals their premium uprights, superior in some aspects to the smallest entry level grands.


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