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Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano #2737023
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Which are your favorite songs originally written for voice with piano accompaniment? And who do you consider being the greatest composers within this genre?

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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737025
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Schumann and Vaughan Williams are my favorite composers of art songs. Jake Heggie is an amazing living composer of vocal music.

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If you're talkin' Lied, as in Austro-German art-songs, then Schubert is king - Winterreise and Die schöne Müllerin are his great song cycles and individual songs like An die Musik, Nacht und Träume, Du bist die Ruh, Der Müller und der Bach, Erlkönig and the lovely Der Hirt auf dem Felsen are all favorites of mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9T98bE6BoY

Then there's Schumann - Liederkreis and individual songs like Widmung, for which Liszt provided vocally-challenged pianists with his own version.

Not forgetting Brahms and especially Wolf, whose piano accompaniments are often much more an integral part of the songs (and more intricate and virtuosic) than Schubert's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ63dJ1__ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_6KPYEFe7k

And of course R.Strauss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHteIUfJqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnvn2mawIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQvWBvyrMfU

But there's also the mélodie (French art-song), especially by Fauré:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiIH9uEqcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3He5_re6WXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIito3Te4aY

and Russian songs, especially by Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8X44T2Mzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzpLTSOEurE

There are lots of great songs by many other composers, like Grieg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opW3oUSyn4


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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: bennevis] #2737085
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Originally Posted by bennevis
If you're talkin' Lied, as in Austro-German art-songs, then Schubert is king - Winterreise and Die schöne Müllerin are his great song cycles and individual songs like An die Musik, Nacht und Träume, Du bist die Ruh, Der Müller und der Bach, Erlkönig and the lovely Der Hirt auf dem Felsen are all favorites of mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9T98bE6BoY

Then there's Schumann - Liederkreis and individual songs like Widmung, for which Liszt provided vocally-challenged pianists with his own version.

Not forgetting Brahms and especially Wolf, whose piano accompaniments are often much more an integral part of the songs (and more intricate and virtuosic) than Schubert's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ63dJ1__ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_6KPYEFe7k

And of course R.Strauss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHteIUfJqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnvn2mawIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQvWBvyrMfU

But there's also the mélodie (French art-song), especially by Fauré:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiIH9uEqcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3He5_re6WXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIito3Te4aY

and Russian songs, especially by Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8X44T2Mzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzpLTSOEurE

There are lots of great songs by many other composers, like Grieg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opW3oUSyn4


Thank you for these nice examples. Everything on your list is within my field of interest. In a month I'm going to make a public performance of some French songs together with a mezzo-soprano (including all the Faure songs in your list). When planning for this performance I found many, very beautiful songs I never heard before, and therefore I'm highly interested in other people's favorites, hoping that there are still more treasures to find. Of course I know my Grieg, and I have already made performances of Winterreise and Die Schöne Müllerin.But I know very little about Russian songs as well as songs from the other Slavic countries.

Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737145
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If you like Slavic music, don't forget Dvorak.
I like Samuel Barber's songs best among the English language ones.


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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737167
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I'll go with bennevis' suggestions, with Schubert at the top of (my) list; the favourites are too numerous to mention.

To the point: If you are taking about the (German) Lied, the plural is Lieder, not Lieds. Otherwise, a more generic term is "art song" which covers multiple languages.

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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737176
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For vocal music, I generally only like choral music although I usually like the piano transcriptions of lieder a lot. But here's one of the few solo songs I like:https:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH6950uF2D4
I first heard it in Koji Attwood's piano transcription.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYLzwE-K_f4

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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737196
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Sorry for writing "Lieds". I know perfectly well that the correct plural form is "Lieder", and intended to use the correct form, but for some reason I got it wrong.

The term, "art song" is new to me. In Norwegian we just use "sang" (song).

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A few more of my favorite mélodies, with a kind of fragile beauty so uniquely French thumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMaAyc5bJdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UyKVFM-eLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX0ESynt5_M

And I have a sneaking fondness for Britten's folksong arrangements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpoRicQx-bI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hGpL3DiYMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESuHtf2S6E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLHUgkWYDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZ1Aidzw48

.....though the repressed passion of one or two of these songs (especially The Foggy, Foggy Dew) may not travel too well (like British humour wink )


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Re: Your favorite Lieds (songs) for voice and piano [Re: Ganddalf] #2737248
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Funny, but we are going to perform "A Chloris" and "L'heure exquisite" at our concert in June. I "discovered" Reynaldo Hahn just two weeks ago, and found his songs very appealing. And with piano accompaniment that isn't too demanding.

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I love this song. I hated singing it, but I love hearing it. Very dark though:
https://youtu.be/UwMz0nAYVmg

This Brahms lieder was one of my favorites when I accompanied:
https://youtu.be/mjO_Vu6AHa0

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I suppose I have an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer Schumann's songs to Schubert's. Maybe even Brahms over Schubert, too...

Oh, and Faure is a wonderful composer of vocal music! I love French vocal music.

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Since you mention not knowing much about Russian song, here are a some I think are good. The Russians call their art songs "romances". It's odd how the term for the genre is different from place to place.

Starting with the "father of Russian classical music", Glinka, here's a nice recital of his romances by Galina Vishnevskaya accompanied by her husband, the famous cellist Rostropovich. He seems to handle his part quite well!



Mussorgsky wrote several song cycles - the "Songs and Dances of Death" is generally considered the greatest, I think.



Rachmaninoff wrote many romances, which are a bit neglected, I think. Here's the big op. 34 set. It ends with one of R's big hits, the "Vocalise", which is frequently heard, but probably least often in the original vocal form.



Medtner was another fine composer of many romances. Here's a sampling in a recital from Vassily Savenko, who has been performing Medtner quite a bit.



Here's some more Vishnevskaya/Rostropovich, in Shostakovich's "Satires" -



Shostakovich's student Boris Tishchenko wrote this striking group of eight songs called "Sad Songs" when he was just 23. Unfortunately, the uploader says nothing about the performers, who seem to do very well (but the piano needs tuning!).


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An underappreciated piece which also happens to be my favourite Schubert song.

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Mozart may not be known for his songs and (as Schubert is generally credited with the birth of the Lied with his Gretchen am spinnrade) he's not thought of as a "Lieder composer", but he did write many lovely, often simple (usually strophic) songs, like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CJqi6bqbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nx3YNXjWyg

Carl Loewe composed Lieder in the form of (often extended) ballads - even challenging Schubert on his home turf grin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeGA1qc9ZSw


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Originally Posted by Vilhelm Moqvist


An underappreciated piece which also happens to be my favourite Schubert song.

Cortot playing the Liszt transcription: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMJjCnrqZr0

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Thanks to all of you for your feedback! It was very useful to get some insight into Eastern European music in addition to some English and American songs. What I'm still missing is Spanish and Latin-American art songs. Anyone?

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More Brahms:

https://youtu.be/U3xBzKhI_J4

Op. 72 no. 1

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Schubert is at top for this, and Dieskau does this wonderfully




Brahms has some nice stuff as well



In the fun category, Berio scores high



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Originally Posted by wouter79

In the fun category, Berio scores high



Berberian did sing a lot of Berio, but this little comic gem is one she wrote herself.

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Ah I missed that, thanks for correcting!!


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Originally Posted by Ganddalf
Thanks to all of you for your feedback! It was very useful to get some insight into Eastern European music in addition to some English and American songs. What I'm still missing is Spanish and Latin-American art songs. Anyone?



Your wish is my command! smile

Manuel de Falla's "Seite canciones populares españolas" is a classic, as you can tell from the number of good recordings on YouTube. I like this live one -

https://youtu.be/Dz83qLp29DE

Pianists likely know Granados' "The Maiden and the Nightingale" as part of his "Goyescas" suite. But he also set the melody to words (I think from his "Goyescas" opera). So I don't really know if this version is really originally for voice and piano or not.

https://youtu.be/VSwAlqQt2Sk

A lovely song by Mompou -

https://youtu.be/MQI4N7xbnzo

- and another -

https://youtu.be/eY9YfCmBTU8

Here are "Cuatro madrigales amatorios" by Joaquin Rodrigo

https://youtu.be/ZJssYKVJa3M

"Melodia Sentimentale" by Villa-Lobos.

https://youtu.be/7RyYu_nIi88

"Samba Classico", also by Villa-Lobos

https://youtu.be/16jgdQHxnNc

Four songs by Mozart Camargo Guarieri (each of his siblings also had the name of a famous composer as their first name). The video quality isn't good, sorry, but there aren't many choices for this material.

https://youtu.be/Gy_BQ0Y4P0k

"Cinco canciones negras" by Xavier Montsalvatge, sung by Caballé, with none other than Alexis Weissenberg at the piano. Talk about luxury casting!

https://youtu.be/F_D1YfR4MdE

Alberto Ginastera's "Cinco canciones populares argentinas"

https://youtu.be/KcItSp9C9iM

Enough for now -

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Then there is this one:



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Maybe the most famous Chinese art song. Composer Huang Tzu (1904 - 1938) trained in Yale.

Three Wishes of a Rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx0ePW5-oTU


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Originally Posted by newport
Maybe the most famous Chinese art song. Composer Huang Tzu (1904 - 1938) trained in Yale.

Three Wishes of a Rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx0ePW5-oTU
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How lovely!!! I had not heard this art song previously, so thanks so much for sharing. If anyone else is interested in the lyrics, they are in the link below

Lyrics - Three wishes of a rose

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