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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JamesJones] #2728608
04/12/18 07:26 PM
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Hello James,

Originally Posted by JamesJones
See link below which isn't mine but demonstrates the click - first 15 seconds (also that link has it on many more keys)

https://youtu.be/44_wC-JlNGs


May I ask if you can provide a link to the thread in which this video was originally posted, please?
Is this a Kawai DP?

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728733
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Np James smile. It was one of yours actually...page 5

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2715836/Searchpage/3/Main/178943/Words/%2BKawai+%2Bca58/Search/true/re-kawai-announces-cn37-and-cn27-digital-pianos.html#Post2715836

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: akc42] #2728751
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Even if the availability can be very limited now (remaining stock + second hand market), I would not forget about CA17 and CA67 either...


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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2730088
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Just noticed the CA58 is available for £1,989.00 - should I pull the trigger! :s

Also what do people know about Kawai Finance? as they are offering a 24mth 0% interest free option, are they hard to get a pass if you have a clean record?

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2730147
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I would not pull the trigger. Making a purchase would be much preferable.

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JamesJones] #2730170
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Originally Posted by JamesJones
Just noticed the CA58 is available for £1,989.00 - should I pull the trigger! :s


At that price I'd say no, a kawai CA67 can be had for less, in some cases GBP 1700 or thereabouts , some may be ex demo you get for less. The CA67 offers more for the money ... IMO, just because the CA58 is the latest model does not make it better than the CA67 (in this case).

It's for you to decide, I think the new CA58 has bluetooth connectivity. Personally I am not bothered by that feature, the CA67 doesn't ... IIRC. Other than that, both share the same piano sound engine, also the CA58 does not have the SK5 sample, only the EX and SK, the CA67 has all 3.

In my view the GF2 action on the CA67 feels a bit nicer than the GF compact in the CA48 I tried recently, which is the same action in the CA58. Both are nice to play though, who knows, you may prefer GF compact. Just because on paper GF 2 is superior than GF compact, you may actually prefer it, they definitely feel somewhat different (I thought so anyway) try them out smile

I can't vouch for the speakers on the CA58 versus the CA67 not having tried the former.


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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2730190
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There are white CA67s for £1500 at gear4music!

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: MacMacMac] #2730196
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I would not pull the trigger. Making a purchase would be much preferable.


Hahaha grin

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Alexander Borro] #2730199
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Originally Posted by Alexander Borro
Originally Posted by JamesJones
Just noticed the CA58 is available for £1,989.00 - should I pull the trigger! :s


At that price I'd say no, a kawai CA67 can be had for less, in some cases GBP 1700 or thereabouts , some may be ex demo you get for less. The CA67 offers more for the money ... IMO, just because the CA58 is the latest model does not make it better than the CA67 (in this case).

It's for you to decide, I think the new CA58 has bluetooth connectivity. Personally I am not bothered by that feature, the CA67 doesn't ... IIRC. Other than that, both share the same piano sound engine, also the CA58 does not have the SK5 sample, only the EX and SK, the CA67 has all 3.

In my view the GF2 action on the CA67 feels a bit nicer than the GF compact in the CA48 I tried recently, which is the same action in the CA58. Both are nice to play though, who knows, you may prefer GF compact. Just because on paper GF 2 is superior than GF compact, you may actually prefer it, they definitely feel somewhat different (I thought so anyway) try them out smile

I can't vouch for the speakers on the CA58 versus the CA67 not having tried the former.


How different did the GF compact feel tho? Inferior in any way? Tbh I quite liked the new RHC2 compact on the KDP110 apart from the spring up (and it had a prob) so either way it surely better than that?

Bluetooth is important to me altho I've been told on another thread there are ways around getting no hat on the CA67. I wouldn't buy a white DP. It has to be Rosewood. Also I wouldn't want an ex demo smirk

I believe the lower and top firing 100w speaker setup is better though isn't it? (At least on paper)


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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JamesJones] #2730425
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Originally Posted by JamesJones
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Just noticed the CA58 is available for £1,989.00 - should I pull the trigger! :s


At that price I'd say no, a kawai CA67 can be had for less, in some cases GBP 1700 or thereabouts , some may be ex demo you get for less. The CA67 offers more for the money ... IMO, just because the CA58 is the latest model does not make it better than the CA67 (in this case).

It's for you to decide, I think the new CA58 has bluetooth connectivity. Personally I am not bothered by that feature, the CA67 doesn't ... IIRC. Other than that, both share the same piano sound engine, also the CA58 does not have the SK5 sample, only the EX and SK, the CA67 has all 3.

In my view the GF2 action on the CA67 feels a bit nicer than the GF compact in the CA48 I tried recently, which is the same action in the CA58. Both are nice to play though, who knows, you may prefer GF compact. Just because on paper GF 2 is superior than GF compact, you may actually prefer it, they definitely feel somewhat different (I thought so anyway) try them out smile

I can't vouch for the speakers on the CA58 versus the CA67 not having tried the former.


How different did the GF compact feel tho? Inferior in any way? Tbh I quite liked the new RHC2 compact on the KDP110 apart from the spring up (and it had a prob) so either way it surely better than that?

Bluetooth is important to me altho I've been told on another thread there are ways around getting no hat on the CA67. I wouldn't buy a white DP. It has to be Rosewood. Also I wouldn't want an ex demo smirk

I believe the lower and top firing 100w speaker setup is better though isn't it? (At least on paper)


I would say the longer pivot is noticeable and nicer to have in GF 2, that I feel quite strongly about.

I am just speculating here , but based on trying out digitals with other actions like the yamaha CLP range where only the top model has counter weights, for some reason I always seem to prefer the models that have them, placebo affect notwithstanding. Sure I was aware of the spec sheet before I played them, but the counterweights are present on all the keys on GF2, but only in the bass keys on the 58, the added feel of that extra bit of inertia I like, that being said, it is also more taxing on technique for more rapid playing passages ... not a bad thing IMO.

I know Cybergene, a member here said something similar I would agree with based on feel, it has been long time since I tried one, but I had a sense of deja vu playing grand feel compact, so I'll say it very speculatively, that grand feel compact feels closer to the old RM3 Grand II. I expect the counterweights are the main reason for that, not that it is a bad bit of kit by any means ... by a long shot, still, money no object I would pick grand feel 2, that is not to say that grand feel compact wouldn't serve me well.


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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2731660
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Bought the CA58 in the end smile

One question please?

I'll be setting it up myself. I was told that because the keyboard unit is so heavy that I could put the keyboard on its side and attach the cabinet legs etc from there then lift the whol unit up.

What do you think would be the best way aside from getting help?

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JamesJones] #2731690
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Originally Posted by JamesJones
I was told that because the keyboard unit is so heavy that I could put the keyboard on its side and attach the cabinet legs etc from there then lift the whol unit up.


I would think that you have to put the keyboard on its back and attach the console from there. HOWEVER - If its anything like my CA67, the keyboard was in the same box as the console base, and it is necessary to lift the keyboard out the box as well. I would recommend having a friend on hand who can help you lift it, as its so much easier with two people.

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Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by JamesJones
I was told that because the keyboard unit is so heavy that I could put the keyboard on its side and attach the cabinet legs etc from there then lift the whol unit up.


I would think that you have to put the keyboard on its back and attach the console from there. HOWEVER - If its anything like my CA67, the keyboard was in the same box as the console base, and it is necessary to lift the keyboard out the box as well. I would recommend having a friend on hand who can help you lift it, as its so much t easier with two people.


That's true. Thanks for advice smile

I managed to lift the Kdp110 out of the box and lug it upstairs alone but believe this is a fair bit heavier. (Living room is first floor)

You don't think it will be possible alone, or is it way too bulky?

Also putting the keyboard on its back and attaching the legs that way shouldn't cause any harm to the unit should it?

I honestly don't have anyone around until next week and it comes very soon smirk

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2731843
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Even my Roland hp504 which is significantly lighter than yours was a 2-person job.
You will definitely need help carrying it upstairs and assembling it. It weighs 74kg I believe, out of which the main unit is more than 50 (I don't know precisely how much, probably around 60) and the stand is quite light. According to Kawai 's manual, you must be 2 or more people to put the main unit in the stand. Also, be aware thar you don't have a proper way to grip the main unit by yourself.
And I'm not sure placing it on the side and then attaching the stand is a good idea, or even if it might work. And then you would be left with a 74 kg instrument to lift up right, all alone, and without having anywhere to grab it by.
For the assembly instructions, check from page 124 onwards in the manual here :
http://www.kawai-global.com/data/manuals/CA58_EN_R101.pdf

Personally I would advise against trying to carry it or assemble it by yourself. You risk damage to the instrument, and worse - injury to yourself.

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2731852
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Assembling the CA58 is undoubtedly a 2-person job.

As mcoll notes, the main body of the instrument is large and heavy, and not something that one person (even a very strong individual) will be able to lift on their own.

My advice would be to ask a friend or loved one to help you assemble the CA58, rather than risk damaging yourself or the instrument by struggling on your own. I would also recommend against a non-standard assembly process (i.e. anything that differs from the assembly instructions printed in the manual).

Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2732103
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Thanks guys. That's what I feared. Ah well smirk

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JamesJones, how's the new toy going. Would love to get your impressions as I am in a similar situation, tossing up between the MP11SE and CA58. We're leaning towards the CA58 due to the full cabinet, speakers, a nice piece of furniture. Would be using it with Pianoteq as well as switch on play.

Here in Australia, they are exactly the same price. We're about to pull the trigger, just waiting a couple of shops to get back to us. Hopefully, next week we'll be able to have it in our home.


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