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Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 #2711926
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone played on both and could tell me about their difference in key action? I have tried the 645 and it seemed ok. I want to buy the 675 but cannot find a shop to try. I read that the key action on the 675 is actually worse then on 645 even tho on paper it’s suppose to be an upgrade. I’d be great full for any input.
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I have tried 685, which has a similar (not same) action as 675.

It is not necessarily better/worse than 645 - just different - very different. Many people hate it here on the forum (including me), but some love it too. So, try it for yourself and decide.

No matter what, do not order 675 or 685 without trying them on your own.

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Originally Posted by Osho
I have tried 685, which has a similar (not same) action as 675.

It is not necessarily better/worse than 645 - just different - very different. Many people hate it here on the forum (including me), but some love it too. So, try it for yourself and decide.

No matter what, do not order 675 or 685 without trying them on your own.

Thanks
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When I tried the 685 late last year, I thought "this is an action I probably wouldn't have liked a year ago." But overall it was fine. The key textures were great, the pivot was long, and yes, it has a bit of the trademark Yamaha "high initial friction" characteristic. But after playing on numerous digital and acoustic actions over the last couple of years, it really just felt like another, different action to me, and not a particularly bad one. And as for the high static weight, it's a tad heavy but nothing compared to some of the older Yamaha U3s I've played, or the NU1.

I came away thinking it's a great DP, and one I'd be hard pressed to find major fault with if it was something available to me to play regularly.


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Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: Samanuel] #2711964
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While I haven't tried the 6 series I am pretty sure it is the same and how it used to in the 5 series (which I did try). The x75 models have a more solid and better feeling sustain pedal IMO. The 545 pedal felt a bit light and flimsy, while the 75 pedal has a more solid progressive feel. I know all the talk is often about the action, pedals are rarely mentioned as it if it is almost secondary, these days this it is something I would certainly pay attention to trying out a piano.

This is just speculation on my part based on how the actions have been described by others, leads me to believe that the 6 series GrandTouch is much the same how the previous yamaha NWX actions used to feel, typically yamaha Clavinova like, but just a heavier feeling version of it with longer keys and the benefits that brings. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the internal design is still much the same, just with a longer key sticks.

Overall, high static touch weight, dynamic weight always feels nice to me, (it did on the 5 series anyway) , also little by way of a significant feel of escapement simulation. Take that with a pinch of salt as I said, just speculation. I would certainly not buy one without trying, and I would encourage you to make the trip if you are thinking about it.

In the UK the 675 seems competitively priced these days, I even saw a white model for under 2000 GBP the other day, the jump in price to the 685 is big. The 575 used to be relatively more expensive in its day. The average asking price for the 645 is only about 200 GBP less here if you find the most competitive 675 deals, but it can go up to 500 GBP. It makes me wonder if this model is just not selling so well.

Anyway, If you can find similar deals in you country for the relatively small price jump, for me that would be a strong incentive to at least try it out to see if the upgrade is worth it. In the end you may just prefer the lighter NWX action in the 45, but at least you'll know and can rest in peace smile

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Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: Samanuel] #2712231
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I was in the same decision process and it took me a long time. Three weeks ago, I have successfully sold my old Casio AP 620 and finally bought the Yamaha CLP 645.

About six months ago, I commented already on the comparison CLP575 versus CLP 645:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...600-series-release-date.html#Post2651624

A couple of weeks ago, I was able to test Play the Yamaha CLP675 and Yamaha CLP645 and Kawai CA67 and Roland HP 605 side-by-side. Here are my latest impressions:

- Roland HP605 (2200 EUR) :pleasant keyboard, but the piano sounds do sound artificial to me, in particular in the high tones.
- Kawai CA67 (2200EUR) : probably the best keyboard in this comparison. Sounds are good too. The sound system is good, not more, not less. Unfortunately the cabinet looks a little ugly.
- Yamaha CLP675 (2400 EUR): The main piano sound (CFX grand) is wonderful in my ears, very dynamic, brilliant for all kinds of Music (the Bösendorfer still a disappointment). The sound system stands out in this comparison, definitely the best. But the keyboard is a no-go for me: generally too heavy and this strange feeling, when you press down a key. Like you cut a piece of cake, but at first you have to pierce through the icing and after that the knife sloshes down.
- Yamaha CLP645 (1900) : The sounds are the same as in CLP675, the sound system is only slightly worse to my ears. Audible side-by-side, but not bothering to me. However, the 4-speaker-sound-system sounded better too me than the 6-speaker sound system of the Kawai CA67. The keyboard is way better than in CLP675 for me.

So, my shortlist was Kawai CA67 or Yamaha CLP645. I decided to go for the Yamaha for several (of course subjective) reasons:
- Less money to spend. Therefore there is also less money at risk, as I have three kids, who are allowed to fool around on this piano 
- Slightly better sound system in my ears
- Better look in the living room
- Bluetooth audio has already become a well used feature
- Sound variation to my (beloved) Kawai ES8 is welcome

Bottom line and back to the initial question: although I was ready to spend the 2400 EUR for the CLP675, I stepped down to the CLP645, mainly because the 675 Keyboard is a no-go for me.


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Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: Samanuel] #2712232
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Here is what I don't understand. You mentioned in your other post that you tried the 645 and really liked it ("kind of convinced by it"). You mentioned you would have liked to try the 675 but cannot try it in your town.

So now you've opened this addiotional thread, to ask for opinions from others, and now people who haven't even tried the 600 series are telling you their speculation of how it might feel... Will you really buy a piano you haven't tried, over one that you have tried and really liked, based on some opinions of people on a forum? Key "feel" is a completely subjective thing.

Either buy the 645 which you know you like, or travel the 2.5 hours and try the 675 if you really have to.

This is madness...


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Thank you all for the comments and opinions. I took the day off today and will travel to try the 675 in a different city. It seems that the 645’s key action is taken as the more pleasent one by most. Am excited to see for my self. I have shoped around and the price of the 675 can indeed be be slashed by quite a lot compared to the 645.

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I like to read other people’s opinions and experiences. I apologise if I offended You by asking or creating this thread.

Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: alphonsus] #2712322
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Originally Posted by alphonsus
Here is what I don't understand. You mentioned in your other post that you tried the 645 and really liked it ("kind of convinced by it"). You mentioned you would have liked to try the 675 but cannot try it in your town.

So now you've opened this addiotional thread, to ask for opinions from others, and now people who haven't even tried the 600 series are telling you their speculation of how it might feel... Will you really buy a piano you haven't tried, over one that you have tried and really liked, based on some opinions of people on a forum? Key "feel" is a completely subjective thing.

Either buy the 645 which you know you like, or travel the 2.5 hours and try the 675 if you really have to.

This is madness...


No it is not madness, the original post is very sensible. This forum is to seek opinions and recommendations of others (among other things) - and I see no reason why OP shouldn't ask that question. The OP can simply choose to ignore opinions of those who haven't tried the 600 series. There are a few of us who have tried the 600 series and have provided our opinions to the OP. I have been in a similar position as OP, and I found such opinions very valuable to me.

There is no need to chastise OP for a very reasonable question.

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Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: Samanuel] #2712359
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I agree. Yes, the OP should try a piano before buying. But asking for opinions on a piano he cannot yet try is reasonable.

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First try, then buy. Not the other way around. ALWAYS!

I agree most people find the NWX more pleasing on the 645. For me, the key action has a different behavior to others. The more the key moves down, the more heaviness kicks in which gave me inertia very quickly. People have different tastes and feelings. Go out and find your way. smile


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Quick update. Yesterday traveled to another city to try the Yamaha's. They had all three next to each other (645, 675, 685). To get to the point my experience was very similar to everyone elses here. The 685's key action to me seemed nicest and pleasing. The 645's I quite enjoyed again. And the 675's seemed strange and not very comfortable to me. And not because it would be too heavy. Just something about it didn't feel right.
685 was out of my budget so I'm expecting delivery of the 645 tomorrow smile.
I would like to thank everyone for their input. It was very informing and in the end might've quite well helped me not to make a mistake and order a higher, more expensive model based on paper information and mistakenly believe higher models are always better.

Can't wait to have it at home.

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Originally Posted by Samanuel
I'm expecting delivery of the 645 tomorrow smile.
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Congratulations! I'm sorry if I overreacted earlier! I wish you much musical enjoyment with your new piano.


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Congratulations. The 645 is a wonderful instrument.

Originally Posted by Samanuel
I would like to thank everyone for their input. It was very informing and in the end might've quite well helped me not to make a mistake and order a higher, more expensive model based on paper information and mistakenly believe higher models are always better.


Higher priced instrument aren't always better. On paper they are but to squeeze the last bit of performance in action/sound/features compared to the mid range you have to invest much more money and the difference is rather small. Will say, a 645 is a massive improvement over an YDP-163, but it's not that massive to a 685.

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Congratulations! I wish you a lot of fun with your new instrument!

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Congratulations!!! Hope you enjoy the beautiful instrument for several years!

Now, back to getting better at piano 😀😀

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Originally Posted by Tyr

Higher priced instrument aren't always better. On paper they are but to squeeze the last bit of performance in action/sound/features compared to the mid range you have to invest much more money and the difference is rather small. Will say, a 645 is a massive improvement over an YDP-163, but it's not that massive to a 685.

Massive improvement over YDP-163! Do we have a comparative around here?
I was planning to buy - next October - CLP 675, but I am now half-convinced of buying the 645. If the sound is similar and mechanics is not a great improvement - remember I am a beginner - I am bound to buy the 645.

Thank you for your good advice.


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You should try and compare in a shop, but the CLP645 has already a wooden keyboard, VRM resonance model, a nice amplification (50W twice), then it will be quite nice. The improvement of the CLP675 will be less important than from the YDP163 to the CLP645. A sort of diminishing returns law.

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Originally Posted by Tyr

Higher priced instrument aren't always better. On paper they are but to squeeze the last bit of performance in action/sound/features compared to the mid range you have to invest much more money and the difference is rather small. Will say, a 645 is a massive improvement over an YDP-163, but it's not that massive to a 685.

Massive improvement over YDP-163! Do we have a comparative around here?
I was planning to buy - next October - CLP 675, but I am now half-convinced of buying the 645. If the sound is similar and mechanics is not a great improvement - remember I am a beginner - I am bound to buy the 645.

Thank you for your good advice.


I have a YDP-163 and have tried the CLP645 and CLP675 on a number of occasions in the shop, because I had been planning on upgrading to them.

I didn't honestly think either were a massive improvement over the YDP163. I thought the CLP645 felt like a marginal improvement, but not enough to warrant the price difference or changing pianos.

Even less impressed with the 675. Wasn't wild about the heavy feel in the new range higher up. I thought the 585 was nicer feel wise then the new ones. Though the actual sound is nicer on the new range.

I decided not to get any of them. I now think that the Kawai range is the way to go. Similar price to the 675 is the Kawai CA range.

I would probably get the CA98 right now (which is equivalent to the 685 price wise). The CA78 is probably around 675 money. Either would be preferable to the Yamaha.

I felt like Yamaha shot themselves in the foot with the new 6XX series. It was a massive disappointment for me. The feel of the 585 was lovely. It just needed better sound and better headphone improvements. But instead Yamaha delivered the headphone and sound, but ruined (for me at least) the feel aspect.

The Kawais feel much, much nicer to me.

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Congrats! Now that you have bought the 645. After it arrives at your home, if it doesn't sound as good in your home as what you experienced at the store, you may want to change a few settings from the default. There is just one problem that I don't know how to save or if the 645 can save my customized settings. So I need to change them every time I turn it on.

Under System/Voice/Voice edit/, I increase the Touch sensitive to 75 and it's a pleasure to play. Note that there are 2 places to change the Touch sensitive. One you change from soft to hard (default = medium, I use Hard 2), and another place where you change some number (default = 65) and I change to 75.

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Originally Posted by LisztAddict
There is just one problem that I don't know how to save or if the 645 can save my customized settings. So I need to change them every time I turn it on.

Under System/Voice/Voice edit/, I increase the Touch sensitive to 75 and it's a pleasure to play. Note that there are 2 places to change the Touch sensitive. One you change from soft to hard (default = medium, I use Hard 2), and another place where you change some number (default = 65) and I change to 75.


- Navigate to the system menu
- Scroll down to backup
- Choose backup setting
- Turn the voice option to "on"

The settings should now be saved, even after power off. wink


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Originally Posted by PianoGuyStuart
I didn't honestly think either were a massive improvement over the YDP163. I thought the CLP645 felt like a marginal improvement, but not enough to warrant the price difference or changing pianos.


My feelings exactly! A couple months ago I was seriously thinking about upgrading from my Yamaha P105 (GHS action) to the CLP645. The reviews I read were all very favourable and yet... I wasn't 100% convinced that it was enough of an improvement to warrant spending $3300 (CDN).

Plus, the salesmen was discouraging me from purchasing it and was instead urging me to go for a Yamaha N1 (or even the Casio GP-500)

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Plus, the salesmen was discouraging me from purchasing it and was instead urging me to go for a Yamaha N1 (or even the Casio GP-500)


Wow, P-105 straight to a hybrid! It took me 3 upgrade cycles to get that far! smile


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Originally Posted by PianoGuyStuart
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I decided not to get any of them. I now think that the Kawai range is the way to go. Similar price to the 675 is the Kawai CA range.

I would probably get the CA98 right now (which is equivalent to the 685 price wise). The CA78 is probably around 675 money. Either would be preferable to the Yamaha.


In my area, CA78 around $3300 , 675 around $2700

My range of prices: CA58/48 vs 645

Thank you


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Wow, P-105 straight to a hybrid! It took me 3 upgrade cycles to get that far! smile


I was a bit disappointed with the salesman. Was hoping that he would've been enthusiastic about selling me the CLP 645. He told me "Sure, it's an upgrade from the P105 but you'll soon realize that you'll want to upgrade again if you're serious about your piano lessons." Didn't really believe him. I'm sure if I had gone for the 645 it would've lasted me 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Tyr

- Navigate to the system menu
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- Turn the voice option to "on"

The settings should now be saved, even after power off. wink


Awesome! Thank you so much smile

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Originally Posted by SLQ

My feelings exactly! A couple months ago I was seriously thinking about upgrading from my Yamaha P105 (GHS action) to the CLP645. The reviews I read were all very favourable and yet... I wasn't 100% convinced that it was enough of an improvement to warrant spending $3300 (CDN).

Plus, the salesmen was discouraging me from purchasing it and was instead urging me to go for a Yamaha N1 (or even the Casio GP-500)



I actually upgraded from the P-105 to the CLP-645, and I must say I am very very happy with the decision I made. Now I even prefer to play on this CLP-645 more than my Pramberger JP208.

About Casio, I tried the GP-300 and GP-500 a while ago, they are quite good but the touch weight is still too light in comparison to a good acoustic grand piano and somewhere in the treble section above C5, the sound suddenly gets louder.

Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: LisztAddict] #2733500
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Originally Posted by LisztAddict

I actually upgraded from the P-105 to the CLP-645, and I must say I am very very happy with the decision I made. Now I even prefer to play on this CLP-645 more than my Pramberger JP208.


+1. An upgrade from a p105 to any higher tier action is very noticeable and I'm all worth it. I upgraded from a p105 to a CP50 (doesn't even have the natural wood or escapement of the 645) and it was a huge step up in action feel and quality (also sound). But once you make that leap, everything else starts getting a bit more incremental.


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50 || Kawai NV-10, MP11
Re: Yamaha CLP645 vs CLP675 [Re: Samanuel] #2735191
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https://www.reidys.com/blog/clp645-vs-clp675-yamaha-clavinova-what-is-the-difference-2011/

Is worth reading, it does explain some difference between these models. I suppose it's these kinds of things that people would like to know when buying, as these are higher end digital pianos.

I only know because I tried both pianos out in the shop last week and was curious to know the difference between them.

CLP 675 benefits
1) 88 linear weight keys
2) Better speakers
3) Better sustain pedal

The Grandtouch action is completely different to whatever is on the 645. The 675 keys felt very heavy too in comparison to anything else I tried in the shop. I am only a beginner so couldn't give a definitive reply, but I personally like that grandtouch feel, though by all accounts it is pointless in a digital?

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