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What size grand piano? #2733858
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I’m looking to buy a grand piano and the room it will be in is approximately 15’ x 24’. I was thinking about something between 6’ and 7’ long. I would like it to be toward the larger end but I’m worried 7’ will be too much for the room. In other words, I don’t want to have to play pianissimo all the time because it’s just too loud for the space. Any thoughts?

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My 6'1 is "louder" than my 7', so it depends. Both are well maintained. Perhaps you can try candidates in your home before deciding if the seller is amenable.

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Is your room completely enclosed other than the door or does it open to other rooms?

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There are three openings to other rooms, all of which are permanently open, that is, no doors. Two of three are fairly large. The ceiling is 9 feet. This was a very good question that I didn’t think about. With these openings, the room will feel even bigger as the sound will be able to travel outside the room. Thank you for pointing that out.


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I have a 7 foot grand, in a room about your size, With two openings. I play on full stick And the sound is not overwhelming


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I've got a 7' Steinway(B) in a much smaller space than that. I also have 9' ceilings. The placement of the piano in regards to the walls and openings plays a part, as well as the types of other furniture, draperies, and flooring in the room. I was concerned about the volume too, but it's been just fine.

I think you'll find that with the 9' ceiling and the openings to adjacent rooms the piano will have to space it needs to project. The volume becomes overbearing when it is bouncing off of hard surfaces in an enclosed space.

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I have a 9 ft. Knabe, no problem at all. Try a few pianos, a few dealers, play all the sizes, see what you like. Go back and forth between 6's and 9's in the same store, you'll find out that overwhelming loudness is a myth. All the energy in this system comes from your muscles, any piano is only as loud as you play it.


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Originally Posted by John305
I’m looking to buy a grand piano and the room it will be in is approximately 15’ x 24’. I was thinking about something between 6’ and 7’ long. I would like it to be toward the larger end but I’m worried 7’ will be too much for the room. In other words, I don’t want to have to play pianissimo all the time because it’s just too loud for the space. Any thoughts?

Thank you,
John


The quality - and to some degree the volume - of the sound that you and listeners will perceive depends upon the room furnishings, as well. Hardwood or tile floors, lots of windows and sparse hard-surfaced furniture will help produce a much harsher sound than carpeting, upholstered furniture, and heavy draperies for example.

That is why, in spite of the current local style preference for hardwood floors, I maintain wall to wall carpeting in my 16' x 28' living/music room for my 6'3" Estonia 190.

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What about windows?

You don't want to place the piano too close to windows because of the temperature and sunlight. You also don't want the window on the treble end anyway unless there's some kind of draperies or shades because the glass will reflect the sound back causing an awful harsh sound.


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I have a 9' Bluthner in a 12x19' from with 11' ceilings, cork flooring and plenty of thick acoustic wall panels. Get the piano you are happy with and dial in your room and voice the piano to adapt.




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Originally Posted by John305
I’m looking to buy a grand piano and the room it will be in is approximately 15’ x 24’. I was thinking about something between 6’ and 7’ long. I would like it to be toward the larger end but I’m worried 7’ will be too much for the room. In other words, I don’t want to have to play pianissimo all the time because it’s just too loud for the space. Any thoughts?

Thank you,
John


My piano (living) room is smaller than yours, with lower ceiling. It does have an open floor plan to two rooms in series. I have two grands, one 6’2” and another 6’10”. Both are fine, loudness wise.

The 6 footer is not necessarily quieter than the 7 footer. In fact, my previous 4’11” piano was quite loud too.


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Despite the many posts saying or implying there will not be a problem and my own personal satisfaction with a Mason BB in a room smaller than the OP's, I always think its a good idea to ask the dealer if they'll agree to either a short trial period or allow you to exchange the piano for a smaller one if it proves too loud. There have been many posts about pianos being too loud for the room, and I don't think they are all due to an improperly voiced piano or room, lack of technique on the part of the pianist, etc.

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You should be fine, in fact it is just about the right size.


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Re: What size grand piano? [Re: John305] #2734082
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Thanks for all the feedback, I appreciate it. I guess I’ll be leaning towards the larger size piano, but of course it all depends on what I find.


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If you already own a piano and have a tech that tunes it, that person would be very good to ask about choosing the size since they know your piano room very well.

Also, remember to try out the pianos with the lid in the position you're most likely to use at home. For many/most people that will be with the lid down but folded back on the lid hinge. Or try it at different positions in the showroom if you're not sure of the position it will be in in your home.

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Manufacturers scale design along with factory voicing is set to produce the best quality sound with the lid wide open. When buying a piano listen to it with the lid open and closed, the difference will be apparent. It's like putting a heavy blanket over a high quality speaker, the sound may be quieter but it's distorted. Since you have the choice, try to buy a piano that will sound best in your space with the lid open. You would be surprised how wide the range of loudness is between different manufactures, due to scale design and hammers amongst other factors. My previous 6' Schimmel was significantly louder then my present 6'11" Estonia.


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I'm with those who think these are nonissues. Just find a grand you really love - both sound and feel. Any piano in the five-and-a-half feet to seven feet range should be a candidate.

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Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
Manufacturers scale design along with factory voicing is set to produce the best quality sound with the lid wide open. When buying a piano listen to it with the lid open and closed, the difference will be apparent. It's like putting a heavy blanket over a high quality speaker, the sound may be quieter but it's distorted. Since you have the choice, try to buy a piano that will sound best in your space with the lid open. You would be surprised how wide the range of loudness is between different manufactures, due to scale design and hammers amongst other factors. My previous 6' Schimmel was significantly louder then my present 6'11" Estonia.
Many of those who live in modestly sized homes or apartments cannot raise the lid for almost any piano without too much sound coming out. Knowing this, Larry Fine recommends that buyers test showroom pianos with the lid closed in many instances. In Europe I've heard that many people play with the lid completely closed but that is something I wouldn't want to do. I play with the lid down but folded back on the lid hinge which I find completely fine in terms of the sound.

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I play with the lid down because I am too lazy to be moving it up and down.


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Originally Posted by BDB
I play with the lid down because I am too lazy to be moving it up and down.

Do you keep the fallboard open for the same reason or because it's usually recommended as better for the piano?

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