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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2737328
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If it doesn't work with mainstage or garage band (or logic?), you can always download Reaper for Mac as a free functioning demo here:

https://www.reaper.fm/download.php

...and record on that.


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Originally Posted by toddy
If it doesn't work with mainstage or garage band (or logic?), you can always download Reaper for Mac as a free functioning demo here:

https://www.reaper.fm/download.php

...and record on that.

Yes, there was a little problem with stability in Reaper earlier, but with new update 1.0.582 it works excellent

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Originally Posted by David B
Some time ago I purchased MainStage, but never used it. I'm thinking that I might be able to run the VSL CFX as a AU plugin with MainStage and and record with it also. Therefore, I don't have to buy a new program to record. I'm waiting to hear back from Paul to confirm his CFX will work with MainStage. I will get the VSL CFX if it does.

God Bless,
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Are you talking about recording audio or midi? If the latter, and it's just the piano (i.e. not combined with other VSTs), then Savihost, which is entirely free and very easy to use, will let you do that. If it's recording midi, then it becomes a fair bit more complex with free software, but it's still possible.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2737468
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Originally Posted by karvala
Originally Posted by David B
Some time ago I purchased MainStage, but never used it. I'm thinking that I might be able to run the VSL CFX as a AU plugin with MainStage and and record with it also. Therefore, I don't have to buy a new program to record. I'm waiting to hear back from Paul to confirm his CFX will work with MainStage. I will get the VSL CFX if it does.

God Bless,
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Are you talking about recording audio or midi? If the latter, and it's just the piano (i.e. not combined with other VSTs), then Savihost, which is entirely free and very easy to use, will let you do that. If it's recording midi, then it becomes a fair bit more complex with free software, but it's still possible.


I'm too ignorant to really even know the difference. I just want to record what I'm playing, insert it into a video (via iMovie) and upload it to youtube. Grangeband meets all my needs until now. However, I believe I can record with MainStage. MainStage give me the option to record in different formants (wav, aiff, etc.) I wish VSL worked in Grageband. That would make thinks a lot easier for me. However, I'm still going to get it because the demos sound really good to me. Thanks for the help.

God Bless,
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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2737469
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I just installed the new version of Synchron Pianos (1.0.582) and the first bullet of the changelog says:

Added: Per-note tuning parameters (Edit View) thumb

I guess it's possible to input the data for historical tunings or modern tunings different from equal now. This is great!
There is no indication of the meaning of the number, but from a quick testing it seems to indicate cents (cent = one hundredth of a semitone in the equal tempered tuning).

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2737474
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Originally Posted by David B

I wish VSL worked in Grageband. That would make thinks a lot easier for me.


David, am I missing something?

Originally Posted by dbudde

I have no problem running Synchron CFX in GarageBand.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: Erard] #2737483
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Originally Posted by Erard
Originally Posted by David B

I wish VSL worked in Grageband. That would make thinks a lot easier for me.


David, am I missing something?

Originally Posted by dbudde

I have no problem running Synchron CFX in GarageBand.


I'm just going by what Paul said about it. He said his product would not work in Garageband. If it does, fantastic!

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2737497
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Karvala and Erard what do you think about the changelog in the new version of Synchron Pianos (1.0.582) ?, I'm considering upgrade to full version..but I need another SSD to do this!!

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Originally Posted by sorrownightingale
Karvala and Erard what do you think about the changelog in the new version of Synchron Pianos (1.0.582) ?, I'm considering upgrade to full version..but I need another SSD to do this!!

well - it depends on how you look at it, I guess!
You could say they should have fixed all the bugs before going live - or you could just accept it and enjoy the ride, since the piano plays ok and the problems left are not a show stopper.
I for one I'm happy they finally introduced a way to tune note by note - maybe also because of the tight back and forth they've had with customers - who knows.
I have the full version, but I haven't used much the new mics - just the ones from the standard library.


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Originally Posted by sorrownightingale
Karvala and Erard what do you think about the changelog in the new version of Synchron Pianos (1.0.582) ?, I'm considering upgrade to full version..but I need another SSD to do this!!


They have fixed some things in 1.0.582, most notably the sustain pedal sample cutoff problem that was quite significant, but in both this version and the previous version that have also been increasing/lengthening the room resonance in the release samples, which has the unfortunate effect of decreasing playability. It's bad enough that I've reverted to 1.0.464, in spite of some of the other performance issues. I'm hoping they'll address that, but we'll see.

In terms of the full version, I'd say it's borderline. I definitely prefer Close2 to Close1 as the close mic, even though it's slightly less close, because it has significantly fewer/less prominent flaws. I'm ambivalent about Mid1 and Mid2; they're quite similar to each other. The three extra ambient mics (surround, high, high-surround) are nice and can add an exquisite room resonance that it is a step up from Main/Main-C mics, but they are even more distant and for an instrument that's already drowning in reverb and resonance their usefulness is quite limited. Essentially, they can be used as an alternative type of reverb and probably not much else unless you're into a VERY ambient sound. Worth it for the money? Debatable.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2737853
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Originally Posted by karvala

They have fixed some things in 1.0.582, most notably the sustain pedal sample cutoff problem that was quite significant, but in both this version and the previous version that have also been increasing/lengthening the room resonance in the release samples, which has the unfortunate effect of decreasing playability. It's bad enough that I've reverted to 1.0.464, in spite of some of the other performance issues. I'm hoping they'll address that, but we'll see.

It's true that the new long reverb on the release samples smudge the sound somewhat, but if there is one thing I didn't like in the old version was the weird clipping of the release samples. Staccato playing didn't sound right at all, especially in the middle of the keyboard. Now staccato sounds natural, in the sense that there is no unreal electronic clipping, but in legato playing there is too much interaction between the notes , especially if you use Mid1 or Mid2.
I can see how they felt this was an improvement, but to me both versions are not there yet.
I read your post over at VSL, and I tend to agree - but unfortunately going back to the old version is not a solution in my experience. I think they should cut the reverb at the end, but in a more natural way than the artificial clipping used in 1.0.464.

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2738214
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I certainly agree that there's a lot of room for improvement in the way they handle the release samples in general. 1.0.464 is the least available at the moment, but I absolutely agree it's still far from ideal. Hopefully they'll implement a properly done release sample control, and then it will be problem solved.

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2738219
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Originally Posted by karvala
Hopefully they'll implement a properly done release sample control, and then it will be problem solved.


I read your post at the VSL forum regarding this subject and I listened to your example clip. I can also tell the difference between the longer release sample in the comparative example you gave.

My question is: what is a "release sample" and how is it different from other samples?

I still plan on purchasing the standard version this week when I have access to faster internet at work. I just hope my old MacBook air Mid 2012, 2 GHz i7, 8 GB ram, SSD, can run the program.

God Bless,
David

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Originally Posted by David B
My question is: what is a "release sample" and how is it different from other samples?


When you let go of a piano key (with no pedalling involved) the damper engages again and stops the strings vibrating. This phase sound different depending on how quickly you release the key - the sound of the felt stifling the sound of the vibrating strings will have different qualities. These are recorded as short, single cycle samples in a set called 'release samples' and they they're triggered when the key returns to its rest position. (Edit: to be precise, they're triggered just before the key returns to its rest position)

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Originally Posted by toddy
When you let go of a piano key (with no pedalling involved) ...


Cool! Thanks.

Someone mentioned on the VSL forum that they think it's "transient." They referred to transient as "the opposite" of release sample. Any idea what transient means?

God Bless,
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Transient is a stage of a sound (especially a musical note type of sound) where a rapid change takes place - the tonguing sound of a flute or the pluck of a guitar would be complex examples) and they are vital in identifying a sound. They are not necessarily at the front of the musical note but that's where the most important determining transients are. And when they are at the begining of the note, the transient is called attack (or is a determining characteristic of the attack).

I'd say that the release characteristics of a piano note (that is, release samples) are also transients.

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On a synthesiser, a note is broken down into four (or sometimes more) parts: attack, decay, sustain, release, known as ADSR. Since a piano does not have the ability to sustain (maintain a note at the same volume level), nor to be changed in any way once the key has been struck, there are only three stages in a piano note: attack, decay and release.


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@Toddy

Very informative. Thank you!

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Yes, no sustain on a piano, but the decay has two phases : https://www.speech.kth.se/music/5_lectures/weinreic/motion.html


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Alternative definition of transients follows. Sound design software I use separates recordings into three buckets; the engineers note that the boundaries among the three buckets is not rigid:

- deterministic events or stable sinusoidal components of the sound,

- transient events or brief noisy bursts of energy, and the

- remaining stochastic background or din.

http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/publications/taps_icmc2006.pdf

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I've learned two important things over the last 24hours.

1. I don't have to be disappointed with every virtual piano purchase.
2. I need a new computer.

I purchased the VSL CFX standard version last night and even though I'm not at home on my MP11SE with good studio monitors (I'm at work with a yamaha P45 and cheap monitors) I still really like the sound. Unfortunately, my dated (mid 2012) MacBook air can't handle the load. I get some clipping depending on how many mics I'm running. So a new computer is on the horizon. I think I might upgrade to the full version also for the close 2 and mid 2 option. I just don't have the hard drive space on my little MacBook air to do it right now. Another reason for a new computer (when I can afford it).

I have a couple question for you pros. I'm not that experienced with virtual instruments. This is my third one and the first two I didn't really care for.

1. I've never used a USB license before. From what I understand if lose this or it breaks, that's the end of my library. What are my options if I lose it or it breaks. Can I just buy another one and reuse the activation code I received with my VSL CFX purchase? Can the same activation code be used on two different USB devices (to have a backup stored away)?

2. It might be a few months (or longer) before I can buy a new computer. Besides playing with he mics and increasing the preload in settings (I've bumped it up to 16384 samples, that's all my computer can handle), is there anything else I can do to minimize the clipping? One mic = no clipping, two mics = a little clipping, three or more mics = is doable but with regular clipping.

3. I've noticed that even though it might clip some when I play, if I record what I'm playing in garageband (yes, VSL CFX works in grageband, thumb yippie) when I save what I recorded to disk as an mp3 (from midi) it plays back as an mp3 with no clipping. I'm curious why that is. Thank you to whoever answers these questions. I really do appreciate it.

God Bless,
David


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VSL's usb licenser policy is one of the reasons I don't buy their stuff.. It's pretty brutal. They do have some unique libraries I want, but so far I have not gone for them.

Last I read their policy is this:

If your USB dongle breaks within the 2 year warranty period, if it's been damaged externally you pay for a new dongle, and a transfer fee (20 euro each license, min 30 euros fee).
If your USB dongle is lost, or breaks outside warranty period, you can rebuy your libraries from VSL for 50% off the full price, and pay for a new dongle.

I've been told they recommend you buy a new dongle every 2 years, and transfer your licenses to it.

The more you buy from them the more painful an accident or lost dongle gets. Some people have bought their entire orchestra.. and lost it.


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Originally Posted by David B
I've learned two important things over the last 24hours.

2. It might be a few months (or longer) before I can buy a new computer. Besides playing with he mics and increasing the preload in settings (I've bumped it up to 16384 samples, that's all my computer can handle), is there anything else I can do to minimize the clipping? One mic = no clipping, two mics = a little clipping, three or more mics = is doable but with regular clipping.


What audio interface are you using? It might be a better investment to upgrade that, hard to say though, I don't know what specs your Mac has. You should also make sure your Mac is running full power rather than any power saver modes when playing.


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Re: activation codes. An activation code can only be used once. You get one activation for a single key. It can be moved from one key to another. So don't ever delete that activation. Read the instructions carefully about how to install and move an activation.

Re: recording with no clipping. Usually (and I believe this applies to Garageband) exporting to mp3 takes as long as necessary for the CPU to compute the result, so you always get a good result. Live playing clips if your CPU cannot keep up in real time. You can solve some problems by increasing your buffer size. But then you trade off latency for better sound, and eventually too much latency is going to drive you nuts trying to perform. Unfortunately, Garageband no longer allows one to adjust the buffer size. You'll need a different sequencer if you want to adjust buffer size.

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Originally Posted by puremusic
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If your USB dongle breaks within the 2 year warranty period, if it's been damaged externally you pay for a new dongle, and a transfer fee (20 euro each license, min 30 euros fee).
If your USB dongle is lost, or breaks outside warranty period, you can rebuy your libraries from VSL for 50% off the full price, and pay for a new dongle.

I've been told they recommend you buy a new dongle every 2 years, and transfer your licenses to it.


That actually seems pretty reasonable to me. However, I didn't buy their (Vienna Key) dongle. I bought a Stienberg elicenser. I wonder if the two year warranty you speak of still applies. I'll have to email VSL and find out. Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by puremusic

What audio interface are you using? It might be a better investment to upgrade that, hard to say though, I don't know what specs your Mac has. You should also make sure your Mac is running full power rather than any power saver modes when playing.


I'm using Grageband to host the Synchron Piano Player that runs the VSL CFX samples (I think I said that right. cool) My mac is a 2012 MacBook air, i7 2 GHz, 8 GB ram, and 251 GB SSD. It handles most of the music I play because I'm not an advanced player. I think my mac is optimized to allocate resources where it's needed, but I'm not 100 percent confident about that. I'll try to look into that more. Thanks for the help.

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Re: activation codes. An activation code can only be used once. You get one activation for a single key. It can be moved from one key to another. So don't ever delete that activation. Read the instructions carefully about how to install and move an activation.


So there is no way to have a spare backup ready to go in case of damage? I don't like that. It goes against my obsessive nature. That's another question for VSL.

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Re: recording with no clipping. Usually (and I believe this applies to Garageband) exporting to mp3 takes as long as necessary for the CPU to compute the result, so you always get a good result. Live playing clips if your CPU cannot keep up in real time. You can solve some problems by increasing your buffer size. But then you trade off latency for better sound, and eventually too much latency is going to drive you nuts trying to perform. Unfortunately, Garageband no longer allows one to adjust the buffer size. You'll need a different sequencer if you want to adjust buffer size.


Thank you. That make sense. Also, I was looking for a buffer feature in Garageband/Synchron piano plugin, but I could't find it. I know with the other two I have (pianoteq and truekeys) I can adjust the buffer size and that helps. I guess there is not much I can do with the VSL CFX except be judicious with my mixer selection and live with some clipping until I can upgrade my machine. On the VSL website, under system requirements for CFX it says, SSD and 8 GB of ram (16 GB is recommended.) Maybe the newer machines with 8GB of ram can handle it and my machine is just too old. I guess I better start saving. Thanks for the help.

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by David B
My mac is a 2012 MacBook air, i7 2 GHz, 8 GB ram, and 251 GB SSD. It handles most of the music I play because I'm not an advanced player. . . Maybe the newer machines with 8GB of ram can handle it and my machine is just too old. I guess I better start saving.


Your system is not so old. 8GB with the good SSDs supplied by Apple should be fine. I would not start thinking about a new laptop just yet. Save the cash for other stuff if possible.

As a few have noted, look to reduce sample size & increase buffer size a bit. Try the free tweaks first.

An inexpensive-used interface might help. Your MacBook Pro also has a Thunderbolt 1 port so that provides you a few speedy interface options (not quite sure if that will work with TB2 interfaces. There are essentially zero TB3 interfaces available so that is not an issue).

If none of that works, you can get a cheap off-lease Dell or HP desktop for a few hundred dollars from eBay for your VIs and keep your Macbook Air humming along. A few guys here have recommendations for cheap desktops that work well for music https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/

FYI - I have some experience here. My 2007 MacBook Pro was just barely too old for Garritan CFX and PianoTeq; it had 4GB ram and a SSD that was much slower than yours is. It worked but required very high buffers. I still use that 2007 laptop a lot for "productivity and fun" because the keyboard is fantastic and it the laptop runs fine.

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Your system is not so old. 8GB with the good SSDs supplied by Apple should be fine. I would not start thinking about a new laptop just yet. Save the cash for other stuff if possible.

As a few have noted, look to reduce sample size & increase buffer size a bit. Try the free tweaks first.


Good news. This discussion encouraged me to run VSL CFX in MainStage (which has buffer adjustability) 128 eliminates all clipping, but there is some perceivable latency, (although I believe it's negligible for me), 64 has very little clipping (depending on what I'm playing and how many mics I'm running) and when I record in MainStage (Aiff or Wave, etc) MainStage doesn't record the clipping. That's cool.

However, I noticed in MainStage and in Grageband, my fan is constantly running on high. I'm not sure how long this little laptop can keep this up, but for now, I'm all set. Thanks everybody for the help.

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by David B
Good news. This discussion encouraged me to run VSL CFX in MainStage (which has buffer adjustability) 128 eliminates all clipping, but there is some perceivable latency, (although I believe it's negligible for me), 64 has very little clipping (depending on what I'm playing and how many mics I'm running)


Good. A lot of people here play their VIs with a buffer of 128. There is a natural latency with a piano and a larger room so you are hearing some of that.

You can try reducing the sample rate whilst at a buffer of 128 if you want to lower latency further.

Originally Posted by David B
However, I noticed in MainStage and in Grageband, my fan is constantly running on high. I'm not sure how long this little laptop can keep this up, but for now, I'm all set.


You can raise the back of the laptop off your desk with a highligher, for example, and the laptop will run a bit cooler. Alternatively, you could buy a small fanned cooling pad and put that under the laptop.

If that does not work those c.2012 Apple laptops probably can benefit from a better application of thermal grease between the CPU and heatsink. That is something a local IT shop can probably do in an hour. The problem is the grease ages & the factories applied way too much. This made my MacBook Pros (2007 & 2011) run very quietly and much cooler - gave them a new lease on life.

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Originally Posted by David B
... my fan is constantly running on high. I'm not sure how long this little laptop can keep this up, but for now, I'm all set. Thanks everybody for the help.

I had a similar problem a couple of years ago. I did a youtube search for my laptop's model number and found a detailed disassembly video. I'll admit I was nervous that something might go wrong but it was less difficult than expected and took less than an hour. After applying a new blob of thermal paste to the cpu and - more importantly - cleaning away what was almost a carpet of accumulated dust between the fan and the outlet grill, the machine was as silent as new again.
Then, only a couple of months ago, the fan was screaming away yet again so I just blew hard a few times into the fan outlet, choked on the ensuing dust cloud and - again - it's silent. Worth a try if you haven't already.

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Nothing wrong with cleaning laptop fans and reattaching with new thermal paste for sure (other than the small risk of things going wrong), but I would add that this instrument will tax the CPU and all CPUs will intentionally increase their fan speed to handle it. In some laptops that is always going to be audible.


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