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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.

Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile


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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.
Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile

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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink

I'm still firmly of the opinion that Low Bridge is much harder than Arabia! (and Irish Jig... not done with that one, but could still see myself done with it today)

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...it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.

你好! (Hello!)

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(Sorry, but learning to read music is hard enough for me. I doubt I will ever learn Dutch!)

My wife has been learning Dutch because we have a 2nd home in Amsterdam that she prefers. She's gotten quite good at it as her 6th language, but as she says, there are all sorts of cultural nuances in the language that go over her head. In fact, now to obtain residency in the Netherlands, because of the large number of immigrants and worries they are not "integrating", the Dutch authorities have introduced a new cultural test, the inburgeringscursus, and some of the questions (not even answers) make no sense at all to non-Dutch. Real question from the inburgeringscursus (translated): "Henk introduces his wife to his neighbor and says: 'Mark! This is my wife, Petra.' Answer choices: A. True B. False." I think this question must give great insight into the Dutch culture ... only I don't know what that is! laugh And in fact, since my wife is pushing on me to give up the rat race here in the US and join her in Amsterdam permanently, I've told her that I won't move to Amsterdam until I understand this question! laugh

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Between about 1998 and 2009, I had a role as an international evangelist for our company related to the IT needed to enable competition in Electricity markets. I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands (as well as time in Belgium, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway). Never once did I have to seriously speak in any language other than English. The biggest impression that hit me was in the Netherlands when I walked in to a meeting of about 20 Dutch Nationals and myself. As I walked in they were all speaking in Dutch and as soon as they were aware of my presence the entire meeting switched to English, just because I was there.

I did have some very basic French and German, but other than say hello I never needed it for communication. I quite frequently had to listen to a long discussion in the native, and I could only very partially follow it.

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.

I think speaking a foreign language for a long period of time can tire anyone, not only the Dutch. My wife is not a native English speaker. While I'm not either, for her English was her 3rd language. Twenty years ago, a few months after we met, I recall vividly being in a taxi with her and having her throw up her hands and shout at me "Too much English", push me away, and then refusing to speak anything except for her native language the rest of the day! I've teased her about that every once in a while since. And expect to again when she goes to her convocation at the Uni of Manchester this May where she wrote an entire PhD dissertation in English -- she's come a long way (with English) since that taxi 20 years ago.

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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Have you tried any asian languages, by chance? Say Chinese?

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)

One of the things I love in foreign languages is to find words or phrases that have no direct translation. For example, in my native language is the word "撒娇" which is pronounced "sajiao", and it has a specific meaning: in traditional gender play, where a feminine gesture is made to exploit the other party's bonds of affection/fondness, including such devices as pouting, playfully slapping a shoulder, whining melodiously, or storming off during a date. And, now, if your significant other does this to you, you'll know what to call them! wink For my Skype login, I chose an untranslatable Russian word which refers to the sensation of great spiritual anguish without any specific cause. Some words can fit other cultures almost better than they fit themselves. Coming out of my native culture, even though we don't have such a word, I know exactly what plaatsvervangende schaamte is for example, as I feel it once or twice every day! laugh That said, in the case of the feeling about a nice piece of music you refer to, I don't think it need language translation -- that feeling is probably universal! smile

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You lost me...too much English :p


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
You lost me...too much English :p

I'm feeling plaatsvervangende schaamte! eek ha


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Actually, it's a forum about piano here. We wander very far away from the subject. smile But I have to admit that it was long ago that I had so much fun with people I absolutely don't know. It must have been in the 1980s, my first acquaintance with the online happening, a modem and talking to strangers on MIRC chat. Who still recalls the sound of the modem? And keep an eye on the clock because you paid at that time per minute that you were online. Our generation is privileged to be part of this evolution I think....


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Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Then back to the Piano Marvel topic. I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?

As a (musical) aside, is it really true that triplet notes don't need a "3" near the beam and simply have to appear in a group of three under a single beam to be considered a triplet? Because if so, then why doesn't this apply to a group of 3 notes under a single beam in 6/8 measures - those seem to be able to quietly remain eighth notes, and not triplets? (Or is this an arcane question about musical notation that should go elsewhere? smile )


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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?



Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out. I don't have a problem with "it's time for you to start figuring things out on your own" so I try to assume that's what's happening. Sometimes I have to remind myself just how little I'm paying for something that helps me enormously.

(I'm overdue for getting another teacher. That's what's really missing for me. My teacher died and I really dread finding another one.)

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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.


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Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.


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I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!


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I'm on Windows but all I needed was a USB cable to my PC. I expected a half a day of computer futzing and was glad to be completely wrong.

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I think I might need a lightning to USB connector for the ipad, but just want to make certain before I buy one. smile


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!

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Thank you! I had no problem connecting to my laptop and it worked great! This is SO COOL!! For the ipad, I just need a lightning to USB jumper, so that's easy! Thanks, everyone, this is another good tool to use!


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Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.


I've said it before, but I will repeat it again - No Piano Marvel can not completely replace a traditional path. Its very good helping with accuracy and rhythm, but music is more than that, you need to have dynamics and expression and Piano Marvel can't help with that.

Nevertheless its a tremendous help. A couple of weeks ago I started to learn a ABRSM Grade 5 piece called "Cool". Its very Jazz like with a swing beat and lots of phrases starting half a beat off. After my first lesson with my piano teacher I was struggling with just the feel of this strange rhythm. Last week I uploaded it into Piano Marvel and have been trying to learn it. I split it into practice sessions of a about 4 or 5 measures long, and today I almost finished running through all the practice sessions and nailing 100% at 75, 100 and 144 bpm (still the last few bars to go). I can now play the whole piece from memory without piano marvel running and with a good sense of beat ready for my lesson next Tuesday.

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Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out.


I just think it is uneven. Sometimes there are videos for the tritest little things. Like a video to essentially show how to switch a single finger on a key. Then you encounter a piece like Technique 3C#13 "Amazing Grace" where there clearly are multiple finger changes since one doesn't have 7 fingers on a hand laugh and there is only one note numbered and no video -- we know therefore know to start the right hand with the thumb. Great - fingering solved! laugh This is the annoying thing: it seems the instructors are so far beyond beginners that they don't even notice the issues, because presumably if they noticed, they would consider a video or note or something.

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Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


Me too.

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About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.


So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...


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So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...

I think your OCD is going to lose from Marvel. Unless of course you are going to play day and night, but I think that eventually your piano flies through the window. Too bad right? Let us have fun and put that OCD aside:)


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Where I get the most to worse in Marvel is the library. I want to arrange everything neatly, first exercises, Level 1, Level 2 and so on, then Albert's 1-2-3... then songs from the library, then my own songs. I drag me drowsy until everything is in the right order and is uncluttered, and next time when I open Marvel it's a mess again... again half an hour dragging and dropping, grrrrrrrrrr I hate it. And that's something my OCD can't release because it just needs to be able and all that needs to stay as I want it. Have already complained about Marvel but so far still no improvement.
Am I the only one, and is the library okay for the rest of you?


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