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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlDB9HkZ-Y&sns=em

This is a Robert Estrin video of a 1982 Baldwin L he is selling. I assume it is in tune. The tenor and treble timbre have a distinct twang. I not infrequently run into this in older restored and not restored grands in shops. Would hammer voicing correct it? Did these pianos sound this way when they were younger or new?

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Re: Baldwin L twang [Re: Sanfrancisco] #2730624
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I listened to the video, and I see what you mean. I'm not sure if you can make a good judgement listening to a YouTube video, or what kind of recording equipment Robert was using, or if Robert was just having a bad day that particular day. Either way, that particular recording did not sound good to me. I did notice the twang you refer to.

Again, it could be a number of things that might contribute to that particular twangy sound. The piano could need fine-tuning, and perhaps some hammer voicing, but there are other things that can cause a piano not sound its best. And, I don't think that was the best representation of a nicely prepped Baldwin L.

Also, and I'm sure you know this already, but I'd never buy a piano with the promise from the dealer that they can voice it to your liking after the sale. Me personally, I'd buy a piano like that for a reduced price and then see what I could do with it myself to bring out the best in the piano. Reminds me of one of my original songs, "You bring out the best in me". smile

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Rick, I am not looking to buy, only to learn! If it was a hammer voicing problem surely Estrin has the ability to easily correct it making the Baldwin far more saleable? I am most interested in what it means that I occasionally run into this twang problem in older pianos in shops. Did they always sound this way?

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The pros here would know more than me, but older pianos equal hard, warn hammers, usually. You'd be surprised the difference that hammer reshaping, hammer to string alignment, along with needling/voicing will make in older pianos. Also, and again, fine tuning can made a difference too. I would imagine that in some cases, new hammers would be the only solution to the old piano twang sound, if the old hammer are no longer servicable.

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Re: Baldwin L twang [Re: Sanfrancisco] #2730767
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Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
Rick, I am not looking to buy, only to learn! If it was a hammer voicing problem surely Estrin has the ability to easily correct it making the Baldwin far more saleable? I am most interested in what it means that I occasionally run into this twang problem in older pianos in shops. Did they always sound this way?


Well, one of the things to be learned through this experience is that it is not possible to make a definite pronouncement about a piano via a recording. Too many variables.

1) Did you listen to the track with high-quality headphones, your computer speakers or just a set of earbuds?
2) Do you know how the piano was mic'd?
3) What about recording equipment?

All of the above could affect the sound available on the recording -- none of which have anything to do with the piano itself.

Beyond that, what Rick said. They do appear to be original hammers very similar to hammers I just worked with on a patch job for a Baldwin SD-10.
Also, the L tended to develop what I call a "jangle" in the low treble (not tenor-- first treble section). That jangle can be dealt with but it is common. I can't say I heard that in the recording, but recordings can obscure things that are really there as well as put things in that aren't.


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Assume the twang is a hammer issue. Given the low rate dealers pay techs (a whole other issue), why take up valuable floor space with the twangy pianos I not infrequently encounter, when they can be corrected? Surely even a novice buyer is able to hear the difference with a consumer grade new piano.

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Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
Assume the twang is a hammer issue. Given the low rate dealers pay techs (a whole other issue), why take up valuable floor space with the twangy pianos I not infrequently encounter, when they can be corrected? Surely even a novice buyer is able to hear the difference with a consumer grade new piano.


And therein lies the mystery. When I was a dealer (in a small paper mill and dairy farming town) I sold more of the better-sounding models than most other dealers nationwide -- including some of the upscale markets -- because I respected people's ability to actually hear and presented the instruments accordingly and yes, in tune and regulated. It works. But most dealers never got the memo -- or never really believed that the approach would have a payback. They just look at the costs of service.


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All of Robert Estrin's videos have pianos that sound out of tune and twangy to my ears. Compare with, say, PianoWorksATL - night and day difference.

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Paul,

I tend to agree - although this video is nowhere near the worst offender, I am often shocked by how "salty" the tuning of those pianos are in the videos.


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I think he is trying to wow the observer with his playing rather than the sound of the piano (which I do not think sounds that great). It definitely needs significant tone regulation in addition to cleaning up the tuning.

Piano probably has lots of potential.

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Originally Posted by pyropaul
All of Robert Estrin's videos have pianos that sound out of tune and twangy to my ears. Compare with, say, PianoWorksATL - night and day difference.

Paul.

And we don't know ... is it the pianos or the respective recording systems?


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Re: Baldwin L twang [Re: Sanfrancisco] #2731006
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I can't agree that Robert Estrin's pianos are out of tune. I have been to Santa Ana and have played some of them. The Model L is a hand built piano. It is well known that hand built pianos vary in touch and tone, and it should be recognized that all pianos vary with humidity and barometric pressure. Robert has had many Ls that have been very round and sonourous pianos. I myself have a 1982 L not procured from him. It has a wonderful, fat rich, round tone. Having said that, the L in this recording is not my favorite. It seems to need some tone adjustment to make it darker and rounder and perhaps some needling to see if it's tone can be improved. I am quite reticent to condemn Robert. He is a good man and he is doing his bit to recondition and put many worthy American pianos the makers of which are now defunct back in service.

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I sorry if this thread is read in anyway to critize Robert Estrin. Robert is an accomplished pianist, who provides some very informative and educational short videos. I take them to be a public service and always enjoy viewing them. He comes across as straight forward and candid. Sure he's in the business of selling pianos but if you listen again to the video you'll see he refers to the Baldwin also as a fine piece of furniture. The Baldwin is the first glaringly flawed piano I've seen him present and I was just using as an example to try to understand twangy pianos. Not to criticize Robert.

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Agreed. I very much appreciate what he is trying to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Paul,

I tend to agree - although this video is nowhere near the worst offender, I am often shocked by how "salty" the tuning of those pianos are in the videos.



I have nothing against Robert and am not criticising him ... but compare these two:

Living Pianos Model A

PianoWorks ATL Model A

Of course there's a difference in the microphones, but there's a much bigger difference in the quality of the tuning and overall sound.

Paul.

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Paul,

I tend to agree - although this video is nowhere near the worst offender, I am often shocked by how "salty" the tuning of those pianos are in the videos.



I have nothing against Robert and am not criticising him ... but compare these two:

Living Pianos Model A

PianoWorks ATL Model A

Of course there's a difference in the microphones, but there's a much bigger difference in the quality of the tuning and overall sound.

Paul.


And this one is even better: PianoWorks ATL Model A-III

[ edited to add: Plus another one from Living Pianos of the same model: A3 with salty tuning ]

Just to note I have no affiliation with any of the companies mentioned here!

Paul.

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Of course there's a difference in the microphones, but there's a much bigger difference in the quality of the tuning and overall sound.



Yes. We all want to believe we can tell the difference between the pianos, but the difference in mics prevents us from doing that -- at least very well.
We may be able to judge some differences between pianos that had the same recording equipment and same venue, but we deceive ourselves if we think we can make valid distinctions between pianos that had significant differences in recording equipment.

Although I'm sure there are differences between the pianos in the links, the larger part of what I believe I am hearing is differences in equipment.


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Of course there's a difference in the microphones, but there's a much bigger difference in the quality of the tuning and overall sound.



Yes. We all want to believe we can tell the difference between the pianos, but the difference in mics prevents us from doing that -- at least very well.
We may be able to judge some differences between pianos that had the same recording equipment and same venue, but we deceive ourselves if we think we can make valid distinctions between pianos that had significant differences in recording equipment.

Although I'm sure there are differences between the pianos in the links, the larger part of what I believe I am hearing is differences in equipment.


Yes but even poor equipment doesn't introduce beats into unisons wink Since all recording is digital these days, you can't say it's due to wow and flutter in the tape. In those examples I posted, it's not hard to hear the mis-tuned unisons and other intervals (you can hear the high partials beating in quite a few places).

I agree for the overall tone, though, the mics do make a difference (bass and treble response etc.). All the videos PianoWorks ATL post are well recorded, though. If I was in the business of selling pianos and putting videos online, I'd want them to be as good as those.

Paul.

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I think of the "Baldwin Twang" as the distinct characteristics of the treble in the infamous recording of "Linus and Lucy" from "A Charlie Brown Christmas" TV Special. I believe that was played on a Baldwin piano, and I've played many a Baldwin that had that same characteristic "twang" which IMHO isn't quite as noticeable when the piano is freshly tuned by an RPT who really knows how to control it. I played regularly on an SD-10 back in the 1990's and it had the "Baldwin twang". Our technician was pretty good at controlling it, but it quickly returned and became more pronounced as the piano drifted out of tune. As I recall our RPT told me it had to do with the steel in the strings Baldwin used as they aged from use. We were also experiencing some string breaks on that piano. He told us that between the 2 issues, we probably need to consider restringing it. I'm curious to see what the experts here on PW will say.

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My usual apology for butting in, as I am not a technician.

It struck me that Baldwin J Twang sounded like one of the names Groucho Marx used to have in the Marx Brothers' films.


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I cannot comment with any certainty on this issue, however since Baldwin is the only maker (that I am currently aware of) that uses a vertically laminated bridge WITH NO CAP, I am somewhat inclined to look to that as being a possible contender in this "issue". I am perfectly happy to hear someone say: "That's ridiculous...how could that contribute to a twang"? Personally I cannot say. It's just hunch.

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Originally Posted by P W Grey
I cannot comment with any certainty on this issue, however since Baldwin is the only maker (that I am currently aware of) that uses a vertically laminated bridge WITH NO CAP, I am somewhat inclined to look to that as being a possible contender in this "issue". I am perfectly happy to hear someone say: "That's ridiculous...how could that contribute to a twang"? Personally I cannot say. It's just hunch.

Pwg

That is certainly possible, Peter. You would know more than me, but not to compare apples to oranges, I have a Baldwin R from 1999, (near the end of Baldwin's financial failure and Gibson buy-out) and it too has the vertical laminated bridge, with no cap. But it sounds fantastic to me. I play it as much, if not more, than I play my C7. It certainly has no upper treble twang, to my hears at least, even when slightly out of tune.

So, I'm not so sure I'd put all Baldwin grands in the "twangy upper treble" category. The low bass on the R is extraordinary for a 5'8" piano. But with my Baldwin R being somewhat newer than the one under discussion, that too may be a factor.

I'd still have to conclude that the Baldwin L in this thread needs fine tuning and perhaps some hammer voicing. But I'm no expert.

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Originally Posted by P W Grey
I cannot comment with any certainty on this issue, however since Baldwin is the only maker (that I am currently aware of) that uses a vertically laminated bridge WITH NO CAP, I am somewhat inclined to look to that as being a possible contender in this "issue". I am perfectly happy to hear someone say: "That's ridiculous...how could that contribute to a twang"? Personally I cannot say. It's just hunch.

Pwg


Doesn't Steinway use a laminated bridge with no cap? I thought they even touted it as a more efficient way to transmit vibrations or something or another...

I have a feeling the twang has more to do with the duplex scaling and hard hammers on the more modern Baldwins.

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Steinway has always used a solid cap on their vertical lams (notches much easier than laminated).

And I certainly wouldn't put all Baldwin's into a twang category. No way. I have seen great ones as well as mediocre ones (basically true with all makes).

Who knows? The way to determine if it is a NSL issue of course is to mute it all off and see how it sounds. Then add it back in section by section.

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I apologize for the inferior quality of this recording. It was made over 4 years ago before we even had a recording studio. We work hard to prepare all the pianos we have to the highest level of performance possible.

Here are some recent recordings of pianos:

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