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Y'know how it can make your day (or year, or decade) when something in a piece reminds you of some other piece, and you can't think of what, but then you do?
That happened to me with this passage in the last movement of Mendelssohn's Fantasy in F# minor, which BTW is a piece that ought to get played more, don't y'all think.....
It's this snippet-kind-of-thing that occurs several times, in slightly different forms, in the development section of the last movement ....I guess the main place is 12:25 to 12:28 but there are similar bits throughout the section. It goes by real fast, but if you're just practicing it, like I am, it doesn't so you have time to dwell on it.
The main reason it stumped me for a good while was that I was thinking that the other piece that it reminded me of was also Mendelssohn. But then I realized that this whole passage is sort of an homage to another composer....
And here's another hint: That other piece isn't a keyboard piece, although there are some arrangements for keyboard.
(I'm sure there are other good answers besides the piece I mean. In fact I think just about anything by the right composer would get full credit.)
There are probably dozens or hundreds of Bach pieces that are echoed in this section. I'm thinking of one in particular. If nobody guesses it soon, I'll show it.
It's easier to hear the "Bach vibe" if you imagine it being played much slower. In fact, as I discovered recently (I think from someone on here), youtube gives the option of seeing and hearing a video at slower speeds -- Â½ or Â¾, and without changing the pitch. The way to get it is by clicking on the "Settings" thing, which is the the thing that looks like a star or wheel (what IS that thing?) on the bottom-right of the screen.
.....the first piece that came into my mind was by Chopin......
I'm wondering if that piece (whatever it is!) might have been hovering in my mind too.
Here's the piece I meant:
The figuration in question is sort of everywhere, but I'll single out 0:57 and especially 2:58.
BTW, notice that there are lots of places where Heifetz actually commits some stray extraneous squeaks and hits-of-extra-strings. I guess that on the violin as well as the piano, Bach (I'm saying) might be harder than Paganini or Liszt, even if we're just talking about "technique"!
Part 2: (I wasn't holding out ....only just thought of this, although it had been floating in my mind for 30 years)
What show tune has a part that might have been stolen from this same movement?
Like, at 1:04 and 1:09 on here:
I think this is easier than the other one. The only thing that makes me say "I think" rather than flat-out "is," is that I've never heard or come across any mention of this, and an internet search shows nothing.
The only thing that makes me say "I think" rather than flat-out "is," is that I've never heard of come across any mention of this, and an internet search shows nothing.
Why would it? I believe the similarities are merely coincidental rather than intentional. While the rhythm is the same - the intervals of this snippet from the Mendelssohn Fantasy vs. the Rodgers song are significantly different. As for the similar melodic snippet in the d minor trio....that has always reminded me a bit of the Rodgers song.
While we're at sorting puzzles, I instantly thought of Rach Piano #2 when I heard the Scriabin piano concerto (op 20) for the first time. As far as I can ascertain, the Scriabin was written 5 years earlier than the Rachmannov. (Their paths don't seem to have crossed, Scriabin being St Petersburg based while Rachmaninov was in Moscow).
Does anyone know if there really is a link between them, or did both take a typically 'contemporary Russian' view to composition, makng it no more than coincidental?
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