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A computer sitting next to an upright #2729527
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I'm going to move to another apartment this summer. Two upright pianos and some bookshelves and one computer desk (with a computer) will be in the same room. The size is 11 feet x 7.5 feet. The far end of this room (the 7.5 feet side) is all big windows and a glass door to a small balcony. I wish to consult you guy :

If one piano sits right next to the computer desk with a computer + hard-disk on it, will it be a problem? I'm wondering if it would cause buzzes, but as you know, I don't have much space. I play one of the pianos frequently, but not the other one.

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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729537
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Originally Posted by Piano Valentine
I'm going to move to another apartment this summer. Two upright pianos and some bookshelves and one computer desk (with a computer) will be in the same room. The size is 11 feet x 7.5 feet. The far end of this room (the 7.5 feet side) is all big windows and a glass door to a small balcony. I wish to consult you guy :

If one piano sits right next to the computer desk with a computer + hard-disk on it, will it be a problem? I'm wondering if it would cause buzzes, but as you know, I don't have much space. I play one of the pianos frequently, but not the other one.

Given the size of the room you don't really have much choice. From what you describe, I'm having a bit of trouble visualizing how everything is going to fit. Quite frankly, I can't see how the computer would cause buzzing in the piano. Of course, If the computer generates a lot of heat, that might be an issue. If you play one of the pianos more than the other, perhaps this might be a good time to unload the one less played.


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729542
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Are you talking about digital pianos? I have my Yamaha Tyros 5 sitting next to my tower computer that has four hard drives. Output from Tyros drives a 100W+100W amp. I hear no audio interference.

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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729552
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My guess is that OP was thinking of something in the computer (some metal piece for example) buzzing in resonance to the sound from the acoustic piano close by. That can happen of course (I've had buzzes in all kinds of objects on or near the piano), but you won't know until you try.

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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729555
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Is there a reason you keep the second piano (the one you don't play)? Perhaps instead of worrying about arranging three large items in a very small space, you might think about whether you need all three. Or perhaps you could switch to a laptop computer and need a smaller desk for it. Whenever I move, I get rid of piles of stuff. If I haven't looked at it since I moved the last time, it tells me something about whether I need to keep it.

Just a thought.

Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729561
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I have never had an issue with a computer next to my pianos.

Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729574
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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
I have never had an issue with a computer next to my pianos.

My desk-top computer is several feet and another room away from my piano, but I too don't see where it would be a problem with buzzes. On the other hand, I suppose there is a possibility.

I don't think you will know one way or the other until you move to the new apartment and set everything up and start playing the piano.

Good luck!

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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729576
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The wire strings in my son's Cajon will vibrate and "buzz" when I play the 2 A's below middle C. I used to have a little fun with an RPT who tuned a Kawai I used to play that caused a slat of a Venetian blind to rattle. I'd put my finger on it and stop the vibration and then remove it and the rattle would return. He would be trying to find it in the piano. But you won't know until the desk, computer, and piano are close together. However, your ear will probably lead you to the source.

Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729635
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The computer might have cover plates for disk drive slots that could vibrate. If it does, just tape them down so they don't move.


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729658
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I don't see how buzzing etc. can become an issue. But, you might want to be careful to make sure that any hot air exhaust vents from the computer (typically on the back) do not throw air towards the piano. Also, PCs can get hot - so you might want to make sure there is no direct contact via which the heat can be transferred to the wood in the piano.

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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: JohnSprung] #2729662
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
The computer might have cover plates for disk drive slots that could vibrate. If it does, just tape them down so they don't move.

thumb That's the main thing I'd look for, little bits and pieces that vibrate sympathetically with frequencies from the piano/keyboard. They can sometimes be a pain to track down. I have an FP-30 on a couple of chinese side tables with lots of brass fittings and handles. The brass handles and doo-hickeys vibrate quite nicely up around keys A5-C6 which adds a little extra somethin' - somethin' while playing grin Had to track down a few more when I switched to Pianoteq.

My girlfriend put a little jade/metal money tree on top of my upright, several of the leaves like to vibrate while I'm playing. A quick twist of the metal branches usually fixes the problem. But it was a pain to find every single vibrating part wink


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729670
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Perhaps you could drag these things together in your current space, and see how they coexist. OTOH, if that's where they have to go in the new place, then just deal with the idiosyncrasies as they arise.


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729674
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I wonder where Beethoven kept his personal computer! wink

On a serious note, I often have my iPad or even MacBook Pro on the music desk, and it occurred to me once a while back that when my piano was built no one had even heard of a personal computer!


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729723
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My piano room is also my study room, in which I have a 6'3" grand piano, four 7' bookshelves, a desk, a desktop computer, a linux server, and an NAS. Never had any problem.

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I'm from Hong Kong. In general most of us live in small apartments. Having two pianos is absolutely a kind of luxury in my area - not because of the pianos, but the space.

The old piano is 28 years old, its sentimental value means much more than its musical value.

Let me tell you what I have in my present piano room (the size is almost the same as my next home):

Once I stand at the door of this room, on my left is an eight-foot wardrobe, and then a computer desk (with a computer on it) is on the right (near the door), and then at the far end in front of me two upright pianos are sitting side by side.

Actually there has been no problem at all, but last year a tuner came to tune my pianos and I consulted him. He said "If you're planning your new home, you'd better make it NO COMPUTER in your piano room."

However, my next home is not spacious and technically it's difficult to place the computer desk somewhere else. That's why I'd like to consult my Piano World Forum friends here.

Aha, I remember once upon a time I heard buzzes when I played. The buzzes came from my right hand side. I checked and checked, it turned out that the culprit was a metal box on the windowsill in my piano room.

Now my interior designer recommends a kind of special wallpaper to be hung at the back of my pianos, but it's toooo expensive and I don't think I'll consider this option.

I wish to make this room in my new home as "pianos-friendly" as possible smile

Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2729794
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If it was my piano room I would want to at least make sure the computer was a low power silent/fanless type. My wife goes further and would rather not have any computers or electronics in the room at all but there is no reason, except for personal preference, for that.

Some pianos come with silent systems inside them, which are themselves actually computers, so clearly there is no technical problem with having a computer in the room if it is sensibly chosen

Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2730435
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I think that there's a potential problem:

. . . What if the piano notices the computer, and becomes jealous?

Could it decide to go out of tune? Start breaking strings? Try and crash the computer's software? Bring its fallboard down on your fingers, while you're playing?

In such a situation, I think you should _not_ install any software pianos on the PC.<g>


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2730572
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The computer will be the least of your worries...you might have a window or something less fixable that rattles! I used to have an art piece that would rattle against the wall whenever I would play a G above middle C. It would stop in the summer when it was more humid and hugging the wall more tightly. I didn't realize it until the cat knocked the art off the wall and the rattling suddenly stopped! I always thought it was the piano for several years...


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Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
The computer will be the least of your worries...

Yes. If you have to put everything in the same room, then put everything in the same room.

The more important question (IMO), is do you tune the two pianos together? wink


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Re: A computer sitting next to an upright [Re: Piano Valentine] #2731875
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Hahahaha, a piano can become jealous !

Wow the cat knocked the art off the wall and the rattling suddenly stopped, and it would stop in the summer when it was more humid. Wow all the details are so subtle!

Pianos can be very sensitive.

Yes, every time my tuner tuned two pianos in the same visit.

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Originally Posted by Pneuma
My piano room is also my study room, in which I have a 6'3" grand piano, four 7' bookshelves, a desk, a desktop computer, a linux server, and an NAS. Never had any problem.


That sounds like my study room, though, the computer was recently moved to another room, but I still have my clavichord, digital piano, tons of bookshelves, and even an old clock.

In the past I did get some vibrations, which had some funny sources but none from the computers. The clock has some chimes in it, and one of them is "E", which got excited when I played stuff on the piano. Another was an old lamp with a failing lightbulb, which loved the piano. When the lamp was on, which it usually was, the bulb would vibrate intensely with my playing. It was rather amusing hunting down that!

My clavichord will add some ambient nose while playing the piano, which had me going nuts one day. That instrument is tuned a semi-tone below the piano, or at A=415. The backside of the bridge is not dampened so those strings have lots of harmonics and sympathetically vibrate like crazy. It's not very loud, but it was enough for my ear to pick up when I played certain notes on the piano. The solution for that is to close the lid on the clavichord - problem solved.


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