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Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: michaelopolis] #2729232
04/15/18 05:59 PM
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Those of you who have a goal of a p12th tuning - be aware that most of the electronic tuning devices will default to a tempered 5th when calculating out to the 3:1 or 6:2 - Experiment with the amount of correction factor that you might need to use to get those 12ths to really match up with your expectations!

I know of at least one tech that gets around this by direct referencing using a machine to compare the partials manually, but there should be a way to "fudge factor" to get the calculation to come how you intend.

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Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: That Guy] #2729249
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Originally Posted by That Guy
I haven't continued to experiment. In fact recently I've been using another app Easy Piano Tuner (EPT). I've started another thread about it on this forum. You might check it out.

My best suggestion with TuneLab is to use 3:1 12ths in the treble and 6:2 12ths in the bass. Tune the treble section first and then the bass section going down making sure to check all the octaves, like an aural tuning. In my comparisons the treble section lined up with a P12ths tuning, it was the bass that I couldn't get to line up. So, with a little bit of ear work, I think you'll come out with a pretty good P12ths tuning.


Many thanks for that Scott

In addition you still recommend sampling the highest wound string in the bass only, along with 3 or 4 other notes from the mid,tenor,treble ? And auto-partial selection ON ?

Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: michaelopolis] #2729385
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In addition you still recommend sampling the highest wound string in the bass only, along with 3 or 4 other notes from the mid,tenor,treble ? And auto-partial selection ON ?


Yes, it seemed like that sampling strategy worked okay. As far as auto-partial selection is concerned, I guess it doesn't matter much if you're tuning the bass section aurally. I usually had the best luck with keeping it off.


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Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: michaelopolis] #2729406
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Thanks again Scott
Tried it today on a little yamaha upright, Tunelab made a great job of it, just a little bit of tweaking in the bass needed but I was very pleased with how it turned out.

It even did a pretty good job of the transition into the bass break, Will be interesting to try it out on a few other instruments and hear the results.

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Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: michaelopolis] #2729476
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Great to hear!

Originally Posted by michaelopolis
It even did a pretty good job of the transition into the bass break, Will be interesting to try it out on a few other instruments and hear the results.


Yes, as you might expect, it's poorly scaled pianos that don't turn out as well. But with a little ear work it's fine.


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Re: Verituner vs Tunelab [Re: michaelopolis] #2729526
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Thought i'd post a pic of the generated curve using Scotts suggested settings.
The deviation curve is interesting, almost a straight line, still trying to decipher it.
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