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Re: My Piano Movie
Philm35 #2728628 04/12/18 10:03 PM
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Here are my thoughts regarding piano technicians knowing how to play a piano, or not. If they can tune, they can play at least a little, and likely much better than they realize. I would also imagine there are, however, some piano technicians who can tune well, but perhaps can't play much of anything coherently, other than the intervals that they need to play in order to tune. They have to at least be able to play certain notes, and combinations of notes and intervals. Actually, playing the piano involves playing the right notes in specific combinations and intervals at the right time. smile

Also, there can be a tendency for someone who doesn't play the piano all that well to say they can't play when they can actually play a little at least (ask me how I know this... smile ). But it is possible for a piano tech to not be able to play the piano very well, yet, they may be excellent piano tuners/technicians.

Also, it has been my observation, since I've become interested in pianos, and been a member of Piano World, that, quite often, individuals who are/were formally trained classical pianists to become piano technicians, piano dealers, piano salespeople or piano teachers (full-time) because they may not earn enough income as a concert pianist to be a full-time concert pianists. Hence, they have to supplement their income in these other areas, whether part time or full time. I suppose not every highly trained and skilled concert pianist can earn enough money playing concerts or playing for money. I'm sure there are other jobs where pianists can earn enough money to make a living being full time pianists.

So, to recap, many piano technicians are/were also formally trained and skilled pianists (who also learned to be technicians); many piano dealers are/were formally trained and skilled pianists; and, of course, many piano teachers are/were formally trained and skilled classical pianists. These individuals may well supplement their income by performing, but their primary day jobs are working as technicians, dealers, salespeople or piano teachers; all of which are noble, respectable and rewarding occupations.

Again, this is just a personal observation and an opinion.

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Re: My Piano Movie
Philm35 #2728772 04/13/18 11:42 AM
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Just adding myself to the list of people who LOVED this video. Thank you for doing it and making it freely available.


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Really nice film, thanks for sharing it.

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Terrific film! One comment by the tech struck a chord with me. In describing pianos he said: "They're also beautiful if they're beautiful to look at." I definitely agree. I think too many people poo-poo the furniture aspect of pianos or think that anyone who likes this aspect can't be a serious musician. I think many serious musicians and amateurs would buy pianos that had beautiful cases if that usually didn't add significantly to the cost. Since most people have to make compromises when buying a piano, some who would like a beautiful case choose to forgo that aspect.

A beautifully finished ebonized piano can be beautiful also. I first realized this when I went to the now closed Boesendorfer showroom in NYC where the majority of pianos where black.

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Great video...well done!


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Philm35 #2729275 04/15/18 11:14 PM
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Doctor of pianos! Great video. Thanks for sharing!


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Re: My Piano Movie
Philm35 #2729411 04/16/18 02:06 PM
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I finally got around to watching this yesterday. It was a lovely, thoughtful piece; full of the the things that are best about documentary film-making. It should have a wider audience than us.


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Re: My Piano Movie
Philm35 #2730727 04/21/18 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Philm35
Thanks for having another look to check for red frames... I just watched it again on my Mac, and didn't see anything. Hope the new version fixed the problem.

Sorry for the slow feedback. The updated video looks good.

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I'm terribly sorry to hear about your family's horrible struggle with cancer. Nobody should have to go through anything like that.

Thanks for the kind words.

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in Nevin's defense, I know he his humble enough that he would never compare himself to an actual medical doctor.

I definitely got that. I liked the philm and the technician.



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Re: My Piano Movie
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Originally Posted by Philm35
The doctor reference has become more or less a colloquialism in American language. We have "rug doctors", "house doctors", "tax doctors"... doctors in just about every kind of consumer business... but I don't think anyone actually claims to have degree of skill and knowledge we see in medical doctors.


I get that. I probably didn't articulate my thoughts very well, and it's a subtle distinction. I wasn't so much trying to defend doctors, or decry the "piano doctor" analogy as I was agitated by the comment that choosing a doctor and choosing a "piano doctor" is essentially the same. Let me see if I can put it into context:

  • If my piano spent 71 days total at the "piano hospital" over 18 months, then I would have replaced it.
  • If my piano had wanted me to stay overnights at the "piano hospital" with it, I would have said "no."
  • If it required herculean effort to get my piano out of bed and to the "piano doctor" for appointments and treatments, I wouldn't bother.
  • If my piano had to be at the "piano hospital" every morning for weeks on end, for antibiotic infusions, iron infusions, etc, I wouldn't have bothered.
  • If my piano needed countless emergency room visits at the "piano hospital," and if I lived in constant fear of the next ER visit, I would just replace it.
  • If my piano was in constant pain and discomfort, I would have put it out of its misery.


In other words, when your piano is seriously ill, you just replace it. When it's your loved one, you move heaven and earth to get them the treatment they need. That choice is not the same.



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Great Short Feature, Phil!

I really love how you captured the lonely aspect of the piano tuner.

Very beautiful concert hall.

Brent

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