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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Miko Piano] #2727406
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Originally Posted by Miko Piano
finally the price of ca 58 official !! What do you think of this price?

The same price (just €5 difference) as Kawai MP11SE with Grand Feel action. I don't know… Different types of instruments.

CA58 has speakers, Bluetooth MIDI (but not audio), double headphones sockets, Kawai's advanced SHS technology is also included, enhancing the depth and realism of sounds heard through headphones or earphones, while also helping to reduce auditory fatigue when listening for extended periods of time. CA58 has organ sounds whereas MP11SE doesn't have any.

MP11SE is lighter, has Grand Feel action and some professional features (do I need any of them?). So, for me MP11SE looks quite weak in Kawai's 2018 model line, taking into consideration that it's the top of the stage piano line model. Except of Grand Feel action and size/weight I don't see any other advantages (and that's the question which feels better – GF or GF Compact. So, GF maybe even not an advantage here). But in the same time I would miss few features in MP11SE, which even middle range console models have.

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2727429
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Originally Posted by McBuster
Hmmm ...

Progress is being made

Now, need a really barebones CA28 - just the keyboard, no cabinet/stand

And then ... ... ... drum roll

Bring all of them to the United States



Well, actually, there is a CA28, in China.
http://www.kawaipiano.cn/goods/sm_ca/ca28.html

Originally Posted by unkabin
James, will this one be available in the US?

How about China?

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: akc42] #2727439
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Originally Posted by akc42
For me, I think the CA58 is slightly less functionality than the CA67 and slightly more price - in effect a price rise in the range.

"slightly more price" only if you compare apples to oranges, i.e. the CA67's price at the end of its life cycle compared to the CA58's price right after its introduction.

If instead you compare to the CA67's price when that model was new (i.e. three years ago), then you see that the CA58 is actually a bit cheaper (at Thomann) than the CA67 was back then. And the CA78 a bit more expensive. So regarding price, the two new CA7x and CA5x models bracket the previous CA6x model in about the same way as the product names would suggest - which also matches the features (where the CA78 is slightly above the CA67, the CA58 slightly below).

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Yushi] #2727551
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Hello Yushi,

Originally Posted by Yushi
Well, actually, there is a CA28, in China.
http://www.kawaipiano.cn/goods/sm_ca/ca28.html


Correct. I believe the CA28 is the Chinese version of the CA48.

Originally Posted by Yushi
Originally Posted by unkabin
James, will this one be available in the US?

How about China?


Assuming you are referring to the CA58, my recommendation would be to raise this topic with Kawai Shanghai, who are best placed to answer queries relating to the China market.

Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2727623
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Kawai James, now that the price is active, do you think that 58 is better than 37? I can not find any more nowhere to sell, I put aside for ca 58, think you're good, thank you James.

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Miko Piano] #2727624
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Hello Miko,

Originally Posted by Miko Piano
Kawai James, now that the price is active, do you think that 58 is better than 37?


Yes, the CA58 features a wooden-key keyboard action, superior piano sound technology, and a more powerful amp/speaker system. Therefore, given the choice between the CN37 and CA58, I would select the CA58.

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2727826
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Hello folks,

Here's a product overview video for the CA58 courtesy of Kawai Europe (English language):



...and here's the 'playing only' video:



Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2727845
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Thank you James, I hope that it will change my fault 110, thank you to you people

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Miko Piano] #2727923
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Hi Miko Piano

Did you mean to type 'faulty' KDP-110? As if you did, what's wrong with it? I'm in the process of sending mine back smirk

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728097
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JamesJones,

Miko Piano owns (owned?) an ES110.

He previously posted a video that appeared to show an issue related to the instrument's sound generator or speaker system, however the exact cause was difficult to ascertain so I recommended he seek assistance from his Kawai dealer.

I'm not sure what action was taken, but I don't believe this is related to the KDP110.

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728312
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Thanks James. I agree. Watched the vid. I've seen vids with the same issue as mine and even saw comments about don't go below CA models if your sensitive to keyboard related issues. Not sure how this holds true.

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728326
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James, I'd take the comments you read online with a grain of salt.

Unfortunately, it's for too easy for an anonymous individual to post some negative comments on a YouTube video or forum without providing any background information or credentials to justify their claims.

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728349
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I totally agree. His vid had the same issue as mine that was all.

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JamesJones] #2728400
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Originally Posted by JamesJones
I've seen vids with the same issue as mine and even saw comments about don't go below CA models if your sensitive to keyboard related issues. Not sure how this holds true.


It does, sorta. Every action can have problems, there is a thread in this forum called "Grand Feel clinic", so when people say that KAWAIs wooden actions do not suffer problems, they are dishonest.

That being said: Kawais wooden actions (provided there are no issues) are the quietest you will be able to find. The RH3 plastic action is considerably more noticeable even when everything works perfectly. That's where the statement "Go CA if you are sensitive to action noise" comes from.

Not because RH3 is bad (I quite liked it's feel on my MP7s) but because being quieter is simply put: a characteristic of the wood actions.


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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Granyala] #2728416
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Thanks Granyala smile

Yes, my issue was a very short plasticky click/sticking noise upon lifting the key from depression that would occur on a few of the most used keys, heard another very slight noise on another so was worried that it could be something that worsens over time etc., which was why I returned and started to look at the CA48/58 due to the different action.

Again though, with the GFC being yet another new action, I guess that could rear problems in the long run too, who knows...

Is this something that also happen on a Grand Feel action too then? I guess it's QA pot luck then if that's the case. Same as all electronics with mechanisms I suppose.

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2728446
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An acoustic piano mechanism develops quirks over time as well, these are mechanisms with multiple parts per key that are getting often forceful and uneven use, no action is going to stay perfect, a search on google for <manufacturer here> clicky/noisy keys will show results for any of the brands. I think people can go a little OCD on these sometimes.

The thing with acoustics is you generally can't hear the action noise no matter how many clicks and clunks it develops because there's no way to play them with the volume turned down!

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Originally Posted by Bambers
The thing with acoustics is you generally can't hear the action noise no matter how many clicks and clunks it develops because there's no way to play them with the volume turned down!

I do remember a recent thread over in the acoustic piano forum, where a fresh owner of an upright asked if those clunky/tapping noises in the treble were a defect. He later came back and posted that he checked multiple other uprights of different brands in a store and they all had this same noise, so apparently it is normal for an upright. So people being confused about action noises does happen with acoustics too, but certainly much less often... smile

Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JoBert] #2728460
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by Bambers
The thing with acoustics is you generally can't hear the action noise no matter how many clicks and clunks it develops because there's no way to play them with the volume turned down!

I do remember a recent thread over in the acoustic piano forum, where a fresh owner of an upright asked if those clunky/tapping noises in the treble were a defect. He later came back and posted that he checked multiple other uprights of different brands in a store and they all had this same noise, so apparently it is normal for an upright. So people being confused about action noises does happen with acoustics too, but certainly much less often... smile

I wouldn't call that situation "action noise" though. That poster was unaware of the properties of striking very short strings with hammers. The strings are so short and stiff, most of the sound is a percussive knock. But action noise is derived from the mechanical events happening before and after that hammer strike. Of course, that knock is present in all sampled pianos.

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Yes action noise, i.e. the very short double thump bounce at the top of the action upon letting go of the keys was there on all keys and I accepted that as the RFCII mechanism. I was aware of this before buying and never bothered me while playing. I also couldn't hear this over the music.

The noise I had was upon letting go of a depressed key and was only on a few heavily used keys. The thing is I could hear it over the sound, especially playing quiet pieces late at night, so it bothered me every time I played those keys unfortunately. Also I don't believe the clicks where there when it arrived which concerned me more as it seemed like it was something that could develop on other keys over time. See link below which isn't mine but demonstrates the click - first 15 seconds (also that link has it on many more keys)

It wasn't OCD believe me, the last thing I wanted to was dismantle and repackage it but I was anticipating the noise every time so I couldn't just overlook it frown

Maybe I was just unlucky and another 110 would have been fine, but I'd rather jump up a few notches and try a CA now that I've got the piano fever wink

https://youtu.be/44_wC-JlNGs

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Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JoBert] #2728578
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Originally Posted by JoBert
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The thing with acoustics is you generally can't hear the action noise no matter how many clicks and clunks it develops because there's no way to play them with the volume turned down!

I do remember a recent thread over in the acoustic piano forum, where a fresh owner of an upright asked if those clunky/tapping noises in the treble were a defect. He later came back and posted that he checked multiple other uprights of different brands in a store and they all had this same noise, so apparently it is normal for an upright. So people being confused about action noises does happen with acoustics too, but certainly much less often... smile


When playing pianoteq, the recorded action noise of the Steinway is actually louder than the actual action of my VPC1. laugh

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Maybe I was just unlucky and another 110 would have been fine, but I'd rather jump up a few notches and try a CA now that I've got the piano fever wink

I know what you mean (although my MP7 were definitely broken) I too was happy that I had the chance to revisit my initial decision and go for a VPC-1. It's fantastic and I'm loving every minute of playing it.


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