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Help estimate Kawai piano #2728233
04/11/18 01:23 PM
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Hello. New member here and this is first time posting. I was hoping someone could help provide a ballpark/fair price estimate for a piano I'm considering purchasing.

Kawai K-18E A. I believe 2002 (serial number 2452296). Black, upright. I think it is about 43 or 45 inches.
Overall, the piano looks to be in excellent condition but has not been tuned in many years, according to the seller.

I'm having a little trouble posting the pics I have so hopefully the info I've provided will give you enough detail for some kind of ball park. I'm really just looking to understand about the price range I should be thinking about and gauging if the seller's price (which he hasn't told me yet) is fair. The seller is looking for the original purchase receipt. He has been sole owner.

Thank you for any help you can provide!

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Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728243
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The K-18EA is 44 inches tall.

I would strongly recommend that you pay a piano technician to evaluate the piano's condition before you purchase it.

I've seen dealers seeking to sell slightly newer K-18s - in pristine condition- for around $3,500 to $3,800.

I would think that a fair purchase price for a 2002 model from a private seller should be around $2,500 if the piano is in excellent condition. Others here may agree or disagree.

It doesn't really matter what the seller paid for the instrument back in 2002.


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Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728245
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ChicagoPiano:

Welcome to the forum.

It's difficult to give even a "ballpark/fair price estimate" on the value of this piano because it all depends upon condition. "... the piano looks to be in excellent condition" is no indication of what its actual condition is. "[It] has not been tuned in many years..." is a red flag suggesting possible neglect - the key word is "possible" not proven neglect. You would need to get a technician to evaluate the condition of the piano before its value can be determined.

In the meantime, you can check the deprecation rate in this article https://www.pianobuyer.com/Articles/Detail/ArticleId/261/How-Much-Is-It-Worth in the Piano Buyer. It might be of some help in your "ballpark" figure.

Regards,

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Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728247
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I was Kawai hunting myself, recently, and looking at Kawais with a bit more height. Most of the ones I came across were between $3000 to $4500 for around that age, + or- 10 years. I believe the K18E is a 44 inch so I would say, if I were buying, somewhere between $2800 to $3500 would be a decent ballpark, depending on your area and the condition of the piano. Not being tuned (I hate when sellers do this!) makes it impossible to tell if you'll like the tone, so I would ask if they can possibly get it tuned before you decide. And getting a tech to look over it is always a smart thing to do, as well. Good luck!


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Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728253
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I see you posted some pictures in the photo gallery. Someone more knowledgeable than I am might comment on the proximity of the heat vent that appears on the floor, and if it's too close for comfort. Assuming the piano doesn't have humidity control installed, and also assuming that vent is open, it could be a red flag about the condition of the soundboard and other sensitive wooden parts.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2728241/estimate-kawai-piano-2.html#Post2728241

Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728288
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Really appreciate all of the feedback. Thank you very much!

Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728311
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Chicago, your o.p. didn't indicate if you had played the piano, and what were your impressions. in the realm of test playing, pianos that haven't been tuned recently are in the biggest part of the bell curve. keep looking for pianos in your budget to give yourself a basis of comparison in your market. try some taller pianos if you can find any ; a few inches sometimes makes a considerable difference. have fun with the quest.

Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: huaidongxi] #2728375
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Originally Posted by huaidongxi
Chicago, your o.p. didn't indicate if you had played the piano, [...]


There would be little point in playing the piano since it " ... has not been tuned in many years...."

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Re: Help estimate Kawai piano [Re: ChicagoPiano] #2728379
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There are several things that you can learn from playing a piano that has not been tuned in several years: Whether all the notes work, whether there are some strings that go out of tune more than others, and the overall tuning stability of the piano. The latter two, in fact, might not be discernible in a piano that has been tuned recently.


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