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Originally Posted by Adam.
I really enjoyed that! Thank you!

One minor thing I noticed is that at the very end when the credits are rolling it seemed as though the notes/sound wasn't in sync with the video. Not sure if it's an easy fix, whether it's just my computer, whether it's a Vimeo thing. Certainly doesn't take away from the great video - just thought I'd let you know.


Hi Adam--

Good eye! I had a look at it, and it turns out that particular clip of video was 2 frames (1/12 second) out of sync with the sound. I fixed it. Thanks!


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Philm35 - are you the RPT in the video or did he contract with you to do the production work?

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Add me to the chorus of folks who enjoyed your short philm! wink Excellent work.

Technical feedback: for me (Firefox on Mac) there were some occasional red flashes/flickers across the video.


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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Technical feedback: for me (Firefox on Mac) there were some occasional red flashes/flickers across the video.

Same for me with Chrome on Windows.


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You might also consider posting this on the Piano technician forum.

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(Tangential Observation)

This is not a criticism of the awesome movie, or the awesome technician in it, but the "doctor" comment at the very outset reminded me of something. Forgive me while I rant a little...


While my wife was terminally ill, someone posted a comment here that chided folks about not choosing a piano technician in the same way that they choose a doctor, and added for emphasis that "it's basically the same thing," or words to that effect.

Since my wife was terminal and in a downhill slide (I actually read the comment during one of her many hospital stays), I didn't want to waste the energy to reply. Frankly, it's a waste of energy even now, but I just want to go on record as saying that it's not the same thing.

First of all, it requires years of advanced education to become a medical doctor. A piano technician only needs the chutzpah to want to be a piano technician. I understand that to be legit it requires some skill and practice (and ideally some training), but a medical doctor isn't even let out of the gate until she finishes years of education, an internship, a residency, board certifications, etc.

Secondly, medical doctors are heavily regulated, and have untold numbers of eyes on them most of them time, holding them accountable (and rightly so). Piano tech's...not so much (again, rightly so).

And all of the above makes sense because of the consequences associated with each profession. If a piano doctor makes a mistake, a piano doesn't perform up to its full potential, or perhaps is even ruined. But if a medical doctor makes a mistake, their patient can die. They're doctoring people, not inanimate musical instruments. And worse than dying, the patient can die in excruciating pain. A mistreated piano may only hurt people's ears. A "dead" piano can be replaced. A dead patient cannot, so even the indirect consequences of a doctor's actions are more significant.

Believe me, I get the analogy: "piano doctors" "cure" "ill" pianos. But by the same rationale, the guy who's replacing the cracked screen on my daughter's macBook Pro as I write this, is also a "doctor." So is the guy who tunes up my bike. Even I'm a "doctor" when I put air in the tires or repair a punctured inner tube. Right?

But choosing a medical doctor tends to be entirely different. First of all, sometimes you don't even have a choice. For example, there were fewer than 100 oncologists in the entire US that treated the kind of cancer I had a few years ago; fortunately, one practiced in my area, but only one. My option if I wanted a second opinion was a two-hour drive away (and even that's relatively close compared to people who live in most parts of the country). Even more fortunately, my oncologist was awesome. My wife had little choice either, because she saw virtually every oncologist in our area who treated her type of cancer. Above and beyond that, there are artificial boundaries such as who practices in which group, who accepts your insurance, etc. Frankly, neither of us really had much choice at all about who treated us.

Some might say, "Come on, Retsacnal, you're talking about cancer specialists. A piano tech is more like your primary care physician." Perhaps, but my PCP has essentially the same educational and regulatory requirements as a cancer specialist, the same accountability, and faces the same risks and consequences in practicing medicine.

I value pianos just as much as the next person here, but I value the people in my life a whole lot more. People doctoring and piano doctoring may be analogous, but they are not the same.



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Originally Posted by Osho
You might also consider posting this on the Piano technician forum.

It already is posted there. wink


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Originally Posted by GC13
Philm35 - are you the RPT in the video or did he contract with you to do the production work?


I am a commercial director... I work on corporate video and commercials. This project was just a labor of love for me... I wasn't hired to do it. You can see my regular work here:

http://www.movingphilm.com

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Originally Posted by Retsacnal

Technical feedback: for me (Firefox on Mac) there were some occasional red flashes/flickers across the video.



I haven't seen that on my Mac using Chrome and Safari. I just uploaded a new version... Let me know if you're still seeing the flashes.


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Your professional chops are apparent!

I'll watch the updated version later, and take a peek at your website too, just for fun.


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Philm35, I looked at your website, and you do good work. Do you have any current TV commercials airing on TV now, or recently? If you did, it wouldn't surprise me.

Excellent work!!

P.S. I too have a Howard/Kawai 550. You also know a nice piano when you find one... smile

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Retsacnal,

I'm terribly sorry to hear about your family's horrible struggle with cancer. Nobody should have to go through anything like that. But, in Nevin's defense, I know he his humble enough that he would never compare himself to an actual medical doctor. The doctor reference has become more or less a colloquialism in American language. We have "rug doctors", "house doctors", "tax doctors"... doctors in just about every kind of consumer business... but I don't think anyone actually claims to have degree of skill and knowledge we see in medical doctors.

Thanks for having another look to check for red frames... I just watched it again on my Mac, and didn't see anything. Hope the new version fixed the problem. And thank you for the kind words!

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Short and very, very sweet - thank you, I really enjoyed it.


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Terrific. And interesting insight into his mind.


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Originally Posted by Philm35
Please forgive me if this post isn't appropriate here...

I just completed a short-subject documentary about the art and science behind maintaining pianos for artists. This group was one of the inspirations behind my making the film. It is called "Piano Man". You may view it at this link:

https://vimeo.com/263938737

Hope you enjoy!

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Wonderful Job, Phil! I really enjoyed it!
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
(Tangential Observation)

This is not a criticism of the awesome movie, or the awesome technician in it, but the "doctor" comment at the very outset reminded me of something. Forgive me while I rant a little...


While my wife was terminally ill, someone posted a comment here that chided folks about not choosing a piano technician in the same way that they choose a doctor, and added for emphasis that "it's basically the same thing," or words to that effect.

Since my wife was terminal and in a downhill slide (I actually read the comment during one of her many hospital stays), I didn't want to waste the energy to reply. Frankly, it's a waste of energy even now, but I just want to go on record as saying that it's not the same thing.

First of all, it requires years of advanced education to become a medical doctor. A piano technician only needs the chutzpah to want to be a piano technician. I understand that to be legit it requires some skill and practice (and ideally some training), but a medical doctor isn't even let out of the gate until she finishes years of education, an internship, a residency, board certifications, etc.

Secondly, medical doctors are heavily regulated, and have untold numbers of eyes on them most of them time, holding them accountable (and rightly so). Piano tech's...not so much (again, rightly so).

And all of the above makes sense because of the consequences associated with each profession. If a piano doctor makes a mistake, a piano doesn't perform up to its full potential, or perhaps is even ruined. But if a medical doctor makes a mistake, their patient can die. They're doctoring people, not inanimate musical instruments. And worse than dying, the patient can die in excruciating pain. A mistreated piano may only hurt people's ears. A "dead" piano can be replaced. A dead patient cannot, so even the indirect consequences of a doctor's actions are more significant.

Believe me, I get the analogy: "piano doctors" "cure" "ill" pianos. But by the same rationale, the guy who's replacing the cracked screen on my daughter's macBook Pro as I write this, is also a "doctor." So is the guy who tunes up my bike. Even I'm a "doctor" when I put air in the tires or repair a punctured inner tube. Right?

But choosing a medical doctor tends to be entirely different. First of all, sometimes you don't even have a choice. For example, there were fewer than 100 oncologists in the entire US that treated the kind of cancer I had a few years ago; fortunately, one practiced in my area, but only one. My option if I wanted a second opinion was a two-hour drive away (and even that's relatively close compared to people who live in most parts of the country). Even more fortunately, my oncologist was awesome. My wife had little choice either, because she saw virtually every oncologist in our area who treated her type of cancer. Above and beyond that, there are artificial boundaries such as who practices in which group, who accepts your insurance, etc. Frankly, neither of us really had much choice at all about who treated us.

Some might say, "Come on, Retsacnal, you're talking about cancer specialists. A piano tech is more like your primary care physician." Perhaps, but my PCP has essentially the same educational and regulatory requirements as a cancer specialist, the same accountability, and faces the same risks and consequences in practicing medicine.

I value pianos just as much as the next person here, but I value the people in my life a whole lot more. People doctoring and piano doctoring may be analogous, but they are not the same.



It's not my intent to derail this thread any further away from discussing the excellent short documentary that Philm35 created. Congratulations, Philm35, on a job well done! But I do want to thank Retsacnal for calling attention to something that has affected me as a physician many times over the years prior to my retiring. I do agree that the term "doctor" is rather loosely used these days. Why, my own brother, who owns a chimney sweep business, calls himself "The Chimney Doctor", and his television ad has him sitting in a medical doctor's office setting, donning a white coat with stethoscope at the ready. He even jokingly brags to his friends that he was the first doctor in the family. So I can certainly sympathize with the point that Retsacnal is trying to make here, along with all of the particulars that he draws upon, citing the many years of hard work required in a medical doctor's training. But I also want to mention that I believe that piano technicians' training is--in a certain sense--actually more difficult. I'm referring to the fact that much (but not all) of what medical doctor's have to learn over the years draws from a huge established body of knowledge derived from rigorous scientific research and observation. Thus part of the knowledge a medical doctor must acquire is no more--or less--difficult than his or her being able to memorize all of that information or knowing from what resources to draw upon in order to access it. (I say "part of", because another huge portion of the medical doctor's knowledge is based upon his or her practical experience.) On the other hand, from what I can gather as a layman, the piano technician is faced in many cases with learning from "knowledge" that really isn't knowledge at all in the strictest sense, but rather is often born of opinion or contested theory. And I don't say this disparagingly but rather with respect. There seems to be controversy surrounding many of the techniques and methods that technicians use in tuning, regulating, voicing, and rebuilding pianos. One merely needs to peruse many of the threads on PW--but especially, of course, those in the Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum--to see that this is so. Plus I cannot tell you the number of times that a piano technician has come to my house to work on one of my pianos, on the heel's of a previous technician, only to show me what the previous technician did "wrong". In fact, I have yet to find one technician who agrees with the precise parameters that a previous technician has chosen to use in regulating one of my pianos. So it seems to me that a sizable portion of what piano technicians do--like what good pianists themselves must do--is based on artism and finesse rather than derived from pure and proven facts or techniques. I myself find that what good technicians must learn in the course of their training in order to be good is a bewildering task, given the many differences of opinion in their field. My hat is off to all of them!

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Really nice little documentary, I really enjoyed it Philm35, thanks for sharing.

One thing that really surprised me at the end was when he said he didn't play. I would imagine that's pretty rare for a piano tech. His history is pretty unique and it makes sense why he does it, but are that many piano techs that don't play?


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Originally Posted by SMA55
...the term "doctor" is rather loosely used these days.


Instead of "doctor," we could call him an "artist." Wait, musicians might take umbrage.

How about "wizard?" That would only get him in trouble with wicked witches.

John

P.S. I wish he lived near my city, I'd have Nevin over in a heartbeat.

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I have had two piano technicians, neither one of claimed to play the piano. I do know that both took lessons as children, and one majored in another instrument in college. Regardless of their background, they both showed their love of the piano and the role they play in having the instrument at its best potential,

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