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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727750
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That is great service indeed Tom!

I had the chance to play with speakers on today, so I tried once more to see if I could reproduce the "noise when touchscreen is activated." I turned the speakers to max volume. Then I turned the line-in volume to max as well (and this is the first time I noticed that the knob on line-in volume is reverse of the master volume--minimum is clockwise and maximum is counterclockwise!). I also went into Sound Settings and turned the software Line In volume to max (+10db).

Not only could I not hear any appreciable white noise from the speakers, there was zero noise from the speakers as I used the touchscreen. So it's definitely not a design issue that shows up on all units.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727765
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Hello Tom. Thanks! Sorry to hear about erratic display behavior. I definitely did not see such quirks. Software side has been rock solid for me. I'm using both headphones and speakers.

Gombessa, indeed the noise does not appear to be a design issue. I guess it might be a minor assembly problem with some units.


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Our local dealer has NV10 on the shop floor now and I spent over an hour yesterday playing with it. I also immediately went to the Yamaha dealer and played with AvantGrand N1, N2 and N3X right after that. I wanted to play both fairly closely in time to get good comparison. Here are some thoughts:

Overall
Personally, I liked NV10 significantly more than N2 (which is the main competitor at the moment for me - barring N2X announcement in near future). If I were to purchase one today, it would be NV10.

Looks
Both piano look absolutely great - but I prefer the NV10's deeper look. I did not personally find the speaker grills at the top on NV10 'ugly' or ruining the look as some have. I also liked that N2's top can be opened up - that looked really nice as well. I don't think there is a clear winner in this department - both look really well.

Action
NV10 wins in action department without doubt. It has absolutely amazing action and feels really well under your fingers. I have been practicing with an acoustic grand piano every day for at least 1 hour for last month - so I am more familiar with grand piano action than in the past. And I thought NV10's action feels just as good as the 1981 Mason & Hamlin BB grand acoustic, if not better. This is the killer feature of NV10. It is light enough for my taste - but not too light. I played a Shigeru Kawai SK6 sitting a few feet away and had a hard time telling the different in the action. So, Kawai did a great job here. In comparison, I thought that the N2's action felt a little too stiff or heavier than NV10 - but still great overall and I would love to have N2's action. I personally prefer a slightly lighter action - which NV10 had.

Sound
I am not a big fan of Kawai's Piano sound - and I was not very impressed with the Pianist mode sound - even listening with a quality headphone. I did do a factory reset to make sure I listened to the 'default'. Perhaps, if I played with VT enough - I might be able to adjust it. But, this may be just that I do not like the SK-EX tone (I am not a big fan of it in CA-67 either - which I own).

I much prefer the CFX sound in the N3X - which I listened to via the same headphone (I had taken my own headphone to try it out with both pianos). For my taste, I much prefer N3X's CFX samples.

Speakers
I did not like the NV10 speakers - they felt teeny and the sound felt boxed. I did try it with and without the Wall EQ - but most of my listening was without Wall EQ turned on. I think speakers and the amps are the weakest point of NV10. I still think they are plenty adequate for home usage - but they do not help get the feeling that you are sitting in front of an acoustic. On the other hand, N2's speakers felt much better - I felt like there were real string in there. And N3X's speakers were significantly better - it is amazing how real the N3X's speakers feel like sitting in front of a real grand acoustic.


Despite my overall not being impressed with Sound and the Speakers, I did prefer NV10 based on the incredible action. Most of my DP playing is with VST and headphones - so built-in sound and the speakers do not matter as much. So, I am inclined to buy a NV10 at this point. I am waiting to see if an N2X gets announced at Musikmesse and if it doesn't (or if it has the same action as N2 - which is very likely), I will probably go for NV10.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727820
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As an update, I did email the service tech at Kawai about 3:00 He emailed me right back to say he would see what the next step will be. At 5:40 he was texting to say he wanted to come by tonight with some parts. And he called twice about 6:15 and left a message. I apologized as by the time I saw the text and the messages it was close to 7:00. He is coming by tomorrow at 7:15 AM to change out "some parts". I realize this is a monotonous narrative. Sorry for that. I will let you all know tomorrow what parts he changed out.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Gombessa] #2727828
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
(and this is the first time I noticed that the knob on line-in volume is reverse of the master volume--minimum is clockwise and maximum is counterclockwise!).

Actually, if you look again you'll see that this is not so. smile Just like the volume knob, the line in goes clockwise->max, counterclockwise->min. It's just that the two are labelled differently. On the volume knob, the little marker dot is at the top. So if you turn clockwise it goes to the right. Therefore the max label is on the right. On the line in knob, the dot is at the bottom. So it goes to the left with a clockwise turn, thus the max label is on the left.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727831
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Ha I didn't even see there is an indicator on that line in volume switch (it is so far back)!


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Vitali.P] #2727837
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Hello Vitali.P, congratulations on the purchase of your NV10.

Originally Posted by Vitali.P
I've sent an email to Kawai Germany about this issue about a week ago. They immediately provided link to 1.0.2 firmware and suggested to check the Line-In knob position. After reading Tom's posts, I've sent another email on Sunday pointing out that this seems to be a known issue and asking if they can fix the noise. No reply yet. I assume that they are busy after the Easter week.


Yes, that's true. In addition, Musikmesse is only a few days away, so a number of Kawai Europe's staff will be away from the office for a week or so assisting with the exhibition.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727852
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Is it happening today, James; is it?

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Is it happening today, James; is it?


The Musikmesse starts tomorrow 11 April and goes until Saturday 14 April. The fair is open for private visitors on 13 and 14 (plus some other events during the other days).

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Hello James. Thanks. I've waited for some time on a Kawai hybrid-piano and NV10 is a dream come true.

I've completely missed the fact that Musikmesse is this week. I understand that Kawai Germany have a lot on their plate now.


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Originally Posted by arc_turus
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Is it happening today, James; is it?


The Musikmesse starts tomorrow 11 April and goes until Saturday 14 April. The fair is open for private visitors on 13 and 14 (plus some other events during the other days).


Okay, so is it happening tomorrow? grin

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727930
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David, from Kawai came right on time this morning. He checked the ground wire in the display panel and it was okay. Nevertheless, he replaced the entire display and the headphone unit. It seems to be working just fine now. It is probably in my mind, but the sound thru the headphones seem to be a bit clearer.


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Originally Posted by TomLC
David, from Kawai came right on time this morning. He checked the ground wire in the display panel and it was okay. Nevertheless, he replaced the entire display and the headphone unit. It seems to be working just fine now. It is probably in my mind, but the sound thru the headphones seem to be a bit clearer.

Oooooh! I would have loved to peek over his shoulder when he did that! Almost makes me regret that I don't have an issue I can call a Kawai tech for... wink

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David, from Kawai came right on time this morning. He checked the ground wire in the display panel and it was okay. Nevertheless, he replaced the entire display and the headphone unit. It seems to be working just fine now. It is probably in my mind, but the sound thru the headphones seem to be a bit clearer.

Oooooh! I would have loved to peek over his shoulder when he did that! Almost makes me regret that I don't have an issue I can call a Kawai tech for... wink


They are just self-contained modules. Easy to change out. Smart design since if anything is going to need replacement in the next five/ten years it will be electronics. He said I may want to have the keyboard regulated in five years. But most likely I will be used to it as it changes so slowly. So probably zero maintenance cost.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727955
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KAWAI News from Musikmesse 2018: https://www.kawai.co.jp/news/20180410/

"Frankfurt Music Messe 2018
First appearance of upright piano 'AURES' offering new pleasure

Kawai Musical Instruments will exhibit a hybrid upright piano "AURES (Aures)" at the Musical Instruments Exhibition Music Messe to be held in Frankfurt, Germany, from April 11th to 14th.
[...]
Our first exhibition "AURES" is a coined word of Audio + Resonance (resonance), equipped with a high-performance soundboard speaker on the soundboard of the upright piano, providing piano function and enjoyment as audio It is a new upright piano to do. This soundboard speaker is a combination of Onkyo Corporation and Kawai technology which has business alliance, realizing magnificent sound spread and volume feeling.
In addition, we will also exhibit acoustic pianos including Shigeru Kawai grand piano, digital piano CA series which renewed the lineup, stage piano MP series which are highly appreciated in Europe." (translation via free-website-translation.com)

Till now, no word of another NOVUS-model.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2727962
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Look at how long the n3x is holding the AG spotlight. I'd give Kawai some time to incorporate real response and improvrment to the nv10 before seeing the new model.


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It isn't Samsung or Apple who release a new smartphone every year.


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Well, Apple has sold over *215 million* iPhones the last year alone.

At sixty NV10s shipped to the US since launch, Kawai needs a couple of fiscal quarters to catch up wink


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"Kawai Musical Instruments will exhibit a hybrid upright piano "AURES (Aures)" at the Musical Instruments Exhibition Music Messe to be held in Frankfurt, Germany, from April 11th to 14th.
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Our first exhibition "AURES" is a coined word of Audio + Resonance (resonance), equipped with a high-performance soundboard speaker on the soundboard of the upright piano, providing piano function and enjoyment as audio It is a new upright piano to do. This soundboard speaker is a combination of Onkyo Corporation and Kawai technology which has business alliance, realizing magnificent sound spread and volume feeling."

This could in effect be the NV20. To get a soundboard in, use a upright cabinet. All else could be an NV10 with soundboard. Next a baby grand cabinet with an NV inside.


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".... This soundboard speaker is a combination of Onkyo Corporation and Kawai technology which has business alliance, realizing magnificent sound spread and volume feeling."


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