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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726739 04/05/18 01:19 PM
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My EX-mother-in-law thinking I wouldn't hear her, whispered to my husband, "Has she learned to play anything you can recognize yet?" This was after she complained to me about the cost of lessons, which I ignored.

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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Theory Grl] #2726741 04/05/18 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Theory Grl
My EX-mother-in-law thinking I wouldn't hear her, whispered to my husband, "Has she learned to play anything you can recognize yet?" This was after she complained to me about the cost of lessons, which I ignored.


.... and a big MEEEE OW To your EX mother-in-law cursing


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726755 04/05/18 01:56 PM
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I was playing background music at a Farmer's Market event. A man came up and asked if I could play "Melancholy Baby." Although I recognized the title, I don't know the melody of the song, but thought I might recognize it if he hummed a few bars.
I asked "How does it go?"
He said "Play it by ear."
I said, "I don't know what it sounds like."
He told me loudly "you won't be a real pianist until you learn to play by ear."
But I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. If I did, I could play it by ear!


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Jennifer Bradley] #2726761 04/05/18 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Bradley
But I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. If I did, I could play it by ear!


At that point, pull out the iPad and search for it on DuckDuckGo (Google is passe....)


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726867 04/05/18 10:46 PM
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Being brought up in a non-musical family, just walking into a room and play a piece is more than what everybody expected. 2 friends of the family who took lessons with Suzuki still play music to some extent because Suzuki got them to be comfortable performing in public. 2 years ago played "Chestnut Roasting on an Open Fire" I got a few appreciations.

2 weeks ago went to a b-day party. At least 4 people in the room with a piano took lessons and nobody volunteered to play "Happy b-day". Pianos sit at home as another piece of furniture. Even after passing music exams, some people wouldn't want to play anything to show off their bad playing. Like a language learner who spent hours in class learning how to conjugate verbs but can never get into a conversation in a social setting. Parents tend to treat music education as an academic exercise that is part of their kid's curriculum but don't encourage them to play songs when the occasion calls for such as "Silent Night" around Christmas sort of thing.

Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726888 04/06/18 03:33 AM
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Gotta love our spouses and parents...they don't know how their words cut like knives on our music.

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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726891 04/06/18 04:11 AM
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" That was lovely, I thought it was the recording you were listening to rather than your own playing"

That was kind, and tremendously encouraging, but you have to hear my playing to know just how ridiculous the comment was. I think I was on about page twenty of the first Alfred book at the time ...

Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2726905 04/06/18 06:37 AM
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Since I never ever play for people (except in the online recital) no one ever says anything. But many years ago when I first took serious lessons (In my mid 40's) I was playing the aria from the Goldberg Variations for my teacher and when I was done she said..."You could have been good." Talk about mixed reviews....

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Originally Posted by Peyton
Since I never ever play for people (except in the online recital) no one ever says anything. But many years ago when I first took serious lessons (In my mid 40's) I was playing the aria from the Goldberg Variations for my teacher and when I was done she said..."You could have been good." Talk about mixed reviews....




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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2727058 04/06/18 04:48 PM
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I just played the 2nd part of "The Messiah", and my lad got in from school. When I'd finished, he looked at me and said "You made it through that, dad!" which was an oblique ref to the numerous times spent practising the %&^*£ thing when I didn't make it through. . . .
I lost count o' the times some smartarse told me not to give up the day job when I did public stuff . . . .
But the best was at the Crematorium where I worked, playing the organ. The Vicar (a long retired old gentleman) came up to me and said non too quietly "Mozart's "Clarinet Concerto" sounds much better on the clarinet" . . . . and off he walked!


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2727081 04/06/18 06:57 PM
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"You sound like a classical pianist" my teacher said when I was playing some Joplin. He felt the need to add "by the way, it's not a compliment".

Otherwise I guess that I am very lucky to have a family and friends who really enjoy music. I never received any negative feedback from them, even if I play something in an horrible way.

My wife keeps telling me "play more childish, with innocence " when I play some mozart, I still haven't figured how to do that...

Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Micael K.] #2727083 04/06/18 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Micael K.
"You sound like a classical pianist" my teacher said when I was playing some Joplin. He felt the need to add "by the way, it's not a compliment".

Otherwise I guess that I am very lucky to have a family and friends who really enjoy music. I never received any negative feedback from them, even if I play something in an horrible way.

My wife keeps telling me "play more childish, with innocence " when I play some mozart, I still haven't figured how to do that...


hi Micael,
I would recommend this video by Paul Barton
Playing like a child

Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: dogperson] #2727090 04/06/18 07:38 PM
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That's very interesting dogperson, I really like Paul Barton but It's the first time that I see this video. Problem is, my wife is telling me basically the same thing but how to achieve that? How does that translate into sound? I have been trying over and over to just "play, smile and listen" but that just doesn't do it.

Maybe I lost the child in me long ago... someday maybe I will find him again!

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Originally Posted by Micael K.
That's very interesting dogperson, I really like Paul Barton but It's the first time that I see this video. Problem is, my wife is telling me basically the same thing but how to achieve that? How does that translate into sound? I have been trying over and over to just "play, smile and listen" but that just doesn't do it.

Maybe I lost the child in me long ago... someday maybe I will find him again!


Hi Micael,
This is something we all struggle with: how to be technically accurate but still focus on the music with childish abandon. What I am trying for myself is to visually imagine the child that just loves the sound comes and sits down with me when I play. That was the preschool me, and I struggle as well to find it again and keep it around. See if that helps. Another thing I started doing lately is just sitting down at the piano once in a while and doodling around— with no purpose other than to explore. I don’t think it’s even good enough to be called improvisation, but simply playing where it takes me. Another thing I did as a child..... and it feels good as an adult not to care about the outcome.

I’m a believer that we really don’t lose the child, we just need to tell the adult to go take a nap. Easier said than done.
I’ve recommended this book before on this forum ‘A Soprano On Her Head’.... there are a lot of great thoughts in it.


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: pianoloverus] #2727198 04/07/18 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus

Some otherwise intelligent people think learning to play the piano is like learning to read. Once one can read music, one can just play it immediately without any practice. One of these people asked me to play Rhapsody in Blue with one day's notice and was surprised when I tried to explain that things don't work that way.


Then you say: No, but I can hum it for you.


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Originally Posted by Theory Grl
My EX-mother-in-law thinking I wouldn't hear her, whispered to my husband, "Has she learned to play anything you can recognize yet?" This was after she complained to me about the cost of lessons, which I ignored.


The best thing to do with mothers-in-law is divorce them.


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: WiseBuff] #2727201 04/07/18 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by WiseBuff
Working on Bach this morning, my husband walked through the room and said, "aren't you getting tired of that song?". I guess he is.


Then you reply: That was my Bach. And by the way I've been practising my bite as well.


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: dogperson] #2727217 04/07/18 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dogperson
... (to be) technically accurate but still focus on the music with childish abandon ...


For myself I find that if I don't have the childlike bounce and dare then it means I don't know the piece well enough. Which means I need to run through it 50/100/200 more times. If, after the 200th time I still don't have that freedom, then it just means it needs more run-throughs. Once I really grasp the piece (made the new neural connections for it), then I automatically find myself having fun with it, playing it and playing with it. And it becomes fun to play it totally inappropriately i.e. too fast, too many rubato stretches, too many staccatos, much too much pedal and fortissimo(!) and also trying it out, on a digital, with all the different instrument sounds available.

One benefit to all this is that you become quite inventive in a care-less way. Someone respected, i.e. a teacher or a better player than myself, telling me to be inventive in the serious way teachers might say it, causes the creative juices to dry up. But imagining all those purists choking and falling off their chairs makes me want to do everything against the rules even more! I am sure that is how someone like Perahia invented all those fancy and delicious trills, and how Schiff added all those stretches and sighs to his Bach pieces.

The better you know the piece the more magic comes through your fingers. It's like archeology: the more you dig (and you have to keep digging and keep digging), the more unexpected and usually wonderful discoveries you make.


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Re: Strange things people say when you play? [Re: Stubbie] #2727236 04/07/18 12:44 PM
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Reading the replies makes me stop and think about the comments I make about activities others are doing and how it might come across to them. I can only hope comments made out of ignorance on my part are taken as such and treated kindly. The sarcastic comments--I like to think I bite those back before they leave my mouth. blush


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Originally Posted by Micael K.
"You sound like a classical pianist" my teacher said when I was playing some Joplin. He felt the need to add "by the way, it's not a compliment".


Joplin would probably have considered it a compliment.

Originally Posted by Edward Berlin, "King of Ragtime"

[Joplin] also spent time at the office of the "American Musician" and spoke with W.A. Corey, one of the columnists. Corey was very much taken with Joplin as a composer and with his slow, deliberate style of playing ragtime:

Originally Posted by W.A. Corey, the "American Musician"

It takes Scott Joplin to play ragtime on the piano. There are ragtime players, but when it comes to playing in a musicianly way, Joplin is there with the goods every time.

When it comes to playing ragtime in a musicianly manner, Scott Joplin has got the other fellows beaten by a mile. Joplin is a wonder in his way.



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