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Yamaha P125 #2726235
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If you have not seen it already:

P125 SPECS



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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726263
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A lot could be said about the pedal unit, such as
- They copied Kawai!
- But they did it better as the pedals are not unnecessarily close!
- In reality Yamaha had "pedal lyres" of sorts already in some older Clavinovas, so they are not actually copying Kawai.
- Probably they didn't design it only for the P-125, so we might see it also in the P-265, P-355 or whatever the new P-255 will be called. (If there'll be a one...)
- It might actually be an improvement over the old "Casio Privia" style short pedals in P-115 and P-255.

Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726305
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Nice! Thank you for posting this, Marko. I have a P-255 in my studio, and the P-115 has been very popular among my students. I'd love to see a refresh of the P-255 next...


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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726353
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Very nice! A huge improvement over the grey plastic pedals attached to a mismatched bar, which is the only three-pedal option on the P-115 and DGX-660.

I hope it is compatible with the DGX-660 as I will look to upgrade my single FC3A pedal to this. Thanks for the heads up, Marko!

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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Lotus1] #2726376
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Originally Posted by Lotus1
Very nice! A huge improvement over the grey plastic pedals attached to a mismatched bar, which is the only three-pedal option on the P-115 and DGX-660.

I hope it is compatible with the DGX-660 as I will look to upgrade my single FC3A pedal to this. Thanks for the heads up, Marko!



I rather doubt it. The pedal unit for the DGX is positioned correctly, at least it was for me; but the springs were far too tight imo and caused failure of the plastic casing after a time.


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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726402
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The same old GHS frown Nothing changes in Yamaha for decades.

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Originally Posted by JoniD
The same old GHS frown Nothing changes in Yamaha for decades.

Indeed ! And i guess it has a 'quintuple strike' grand piano sample with a whopping 128M of memory that is also used for the studio grand, bright grand and upright through clever filtering.

Or am i being to harsh on Yamaha here ? grin

Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: pianistje] #2726474
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Originally Posted by pianistje
Or am i being to harsh on Yamaha here ? grin


Not so much. I was actually a bit surprised that Yamaha did not try to raise the bar on Roland FP30 and Kawai ES110. In fact, the P125 is not much different from the P115. Yes, a new design, few more voices, demos, and rhythms, but pretty much the same CF engine, action, and 7W speakers. I also agree it's time for a GHS refresh. I personally somewhat like the GHS action but there is certainly room for improvements. Kawai and Yamaha nicely updated their lower-end action. Im not bashing the P115 or P125 as they are fine digital pianos, I think Im mostly bashing Yamaha R&D. I mean, could they have at least thrown in Bluetooth to appear to be current and competitive.


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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: pianistje] #2726500
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Originally Posted by pianistje
Originally Posted by JoniD
The same old GHS frown Nothing changes in Yamaha for decades.

Indeed ! And i guess it has a 'quintuple strike' grand piano sample with a whopping 128M of memory that is also used for the studio grand, bright grand and upright through clever filtering.

Or am i being to harsh on Yamaha here ? grin


Not only Yamaha. Roland did the same with most of the FPs; I reckon one piano voice is all you get. And the filtering's not so clever.


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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726588
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
I mean, could they have at least thrown in Bluetooth to appear to be current and competitive.


Bluetooth MIDI or Bluetooth Audio?

I don't believe there are any Yamaha digital pianos that feature Bluetooth MIDI built-in, however it's probably unnecessary at this point as they market the Yamaha-branded MD-BT01 and UD-BT01 adaptors that achieve the same task. I dare say dealers may even be willing to thrown in such an accessory to sweeten the deal for any customers considering the rival Roland or Kawai boards for their Bluetooth functionality.

As for Bluetooth Audio, I believe this feature is only available on Yamaha models starting with the CLP-645, which is in a completely different product and pricing category to the P-125.

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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: pianistje] #2726690
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Originally Posted by pianistje
[quote=JoniD]
Indeed ! And i guess it has a 'quintuple strike' grand piano sample with a whopping 128M of memory that is also used for the studio grand, bright grand and upright through clever filtering.

Or am i being to harsh on Yamaha here ? grin


You are being way too harsh. Why are you even questioning the CF sound engine that has been proving its reliability for decades while fully ignoring the all-new curved design of the P125 "inspired by the Yamaha CFX grand piano"? https://youtu.be/WuEvUr033S8?t=47 The marketing guys must have a blast whenever a new plastic case model is released grin


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Presumably still not even full 88 key samples but stretched over groups of 3

Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2726861
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Marko, this is probably a Yamaha marketing, not R&D, decision.

In the US, the usual prices for Yamaha's lower-end pianos are P-45 ($400 without stand), P-115 ($600 without stand), DGX-660 ($800 with stand), YDP-103 ($900, console), YDP-143 ($1100, console). All of these come with the GHS action, and to get GH you have to step up to the P-255 ($1300 without stand) or for GH3 to the YDP-163 ($1500, console). There is no way Yamaha could upgrade the action of the P-115/125 without undercutting the models above it in their sub-Clavinova lineup. Unless they "trickle down" upgrades to all their pianos, of course.

Even with a better brand name among the general public, it is risky to simply ignore competitive and quality products from Casio (PX-160), Kawai (ES110) and Roland (FP-30). So I'm glad that Yamaha at least upgraded the optional three-pedal unit, if little else, from the P-115 to the P-125. That's not much, I know!

Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: arc7urus] #2726878
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Originally Posted by arc_turus
Originally Posted by pianistje
[quote=JoniD]
Indeed ! And i guess it has a 'quintuple strike' grand piano sample with a whopping 128M of memory that is also used for the studio grand, bright grand and upright through clever filtering.

Or am i being to harsh on Yamaha here ? grin


You are being way too harsh. Why are you even questioning the CF sound engine that has been proving its reliability for decades while fully ignoring the all-new curved design of the P125 "inspired by the Yamaha CFX grand piano"? https://youtu.be/WuEvUr033S8?t=47 The marketing guys must have a blast whenever a new plastic case model is released grin



ha i feel sorry for those Yamaha reps reading along..... and then again..... not really grin

Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2728144
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A good demo @ Kraft with Gabriel Aldort



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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2735340
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Bonners music have just released this video directly comparing:
Kawai ES110
Roland FP30
Yamaha P125.

Interesting to hear them side by side with four different pieces each of a different style.

What do you think about the sample quality now?
P.S. pieces start at time point: 2.15


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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2735460
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As someone who is thinking about a piano in that price range, I have to say the Roland impresses me less every time I hear it, especially in direct comparison with its competition. That's a shame, because I was really interested in it after seeing this user video.



I'm leaning strongly towards the Kawai right now.

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Re: Yamaha P125 [Re: ottokeys] #2735474
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Originally Posted by ottokeys
As someone who is thinking about a piano in that price range, I have to say the Roland impresses me less every time I hear it, especially in direct comparison with its competition. That's a shame, because I was really interested in it after seeing this user video.

I'm leaning strongly towards the Kawai right now.


I tested side-by-side the FP30, P115 and ES100. At the time, the only action I could stomach was the FP30's action; however, it was obviously greatly inferior to the action on the ES8, therefore, I opted to look for a second hand Kawai that would get me a better action. I opted for a 1 year old MP7 (could have had a VPC1 for £600). So for an extra few hundred pounds, I got a much better deal.

These pianos (FP30/P125 and ES110) are great value for money with regard to their price as new; however, the depreciation on digital pianos is insane, and therefore I opted to go second hand.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.

These pianos (FP30/P125 and ES110) are great value for money with regard to their price as new; however, the depreciation on digital pianos is insane, and therefore I opted to go second hand.


Great choice, Doug. Agreed about buying used, if you can stomach a higher risk tolerance for problems. Almost all of my DPs were purchased second-hand, and I've always been able to upgrade by selling them for more than I bought for. Not that I didn't end up spending way more money each time wink )


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I've tested the FP-30, and I must say, it has great sound, especially with that price, the keyboard is nice also, with a problem that the let-off "gap" is very notable, even when not playing softly, therefore the key go down and return in a bit of "sluggish" manner. About the Kawai, sadly no ES100/110 here, but i do have a CN24 which i believe has superior sound source and keyboard, the key action is so nice, way better than the PHA4s, I wish it could be a little heavier, that would be perfect, but because i played it too much, the action has been "degraded" with side by side movement, loose key and much less enjoyable to play, and I noticed that many of the old Kawai DP with plastic action become so eventually, however it's still better than GHS and GH tho. About the sound, somewhat bright but kinda natural with 88-key sampling, and good dynamic, but still I prefer the Roand's sound more, they have exceptionally good bass compared to all other DP out there


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