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Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2723656
03/23/18 01:14 AM
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Below is a good reason to get a digital for your kid if you're not prepared to pay at least twice the price of the piano over to just get it moved and tuned, then tune it over several years. Digital instruments have gotten superb. Check out Casio's Privia line, Kawai's MP11 (used) or some of the more entry-level Kurzweil instruments.

Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
I've put this out before but I'll repeat it here for added clarity. A better quality acoustic piano remains more desirable to me than a digital, but a lower quality acoustic piano tends to go hand in hand with the following problems.

Lack of consistency from note to note, both touch and tone. Students are asked to learn scales, perform exercises, and early songs have very simple dynamic variation. A consistent instrument allow the student to be successful at these fundamental tasks before learning to compensate for expression, challenges, room acoustics, etc.

Secondly, when a piano is acquired that cheaply, I've never seen a customer do the recommended services that would cost a significant portion of the purchase. Pay $850 and then pay another $400 - $500 to properly regulate that piano, tune it again, adjust pedals, and minor voicing? Not going to happen. Tune 2x per year, probably not going to happen...most tune once and the student has already quit before they get around to tuning again.

*I have seen family members revive older, basic instruments, including the recommended service for sentimental reasons, and this can still be a cost effective approach to a good "starter" piano.

I see a similar attitude with parents that buy short, unweighted keyboards. I tell people that, as an exploratory exercise, that will last you for 3 months while you decide between piano, guitar or flute lessons, but inevitably, the lack of progress gets blamed on the student or teacher, not the instrument.

If the student is supremely motivated, they can learn on anything, just as the supremely unmotivated student cannot be persuaded by the finest instrument. Most of us are naturally in the middle, needing all the help and encouragement we can get. I do point out that either the "starter" piano or the digitals will not take you past an intermediate level.

For BDB, increasingly, recent technology digital pianos in the sub-$1500 price range have shown to hold 45% - 65% of their value on the private market for 5 - 8 years. Higher priced digitals can take a much bigger hit as they are more tied to "latest" tech, and top-of-line digitals can really take a dive, but they are clearly directed toward lifestyle features over beginner lessons.

It is also increasingly difficult to sell older console pianos at any price because furniture preferences have changed so much that many people will not consider even a good but traditional furniture console for their living room. What used to be the majority of upright sales only 15 years ago is now a tiny percentage of new buyers.

If you add in the cost of just 1 tuning per year for an acoustic and no other regular maintenance, the digital piano has better "cost of ownership". If you go back more than 8 years, I concede there are more factors to consider.

And Kurt, I'm sure your 48" piano is at least 10x better than the Everett console in the discussion.

To the OP. If your budget can go to $2,000+, then there are likely good options on the private market that could be good and desirable and more than just a short term instrument. For less than that, a digital piano benefits a beginner student in nearly all cases, so find an affordable one to start with and start saving for the better acoustic. The Everett may serve your needs, but I do not assume that it will serve you better or longer than a Casio AP270 or Yamaha YDP143, for example.


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Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: Solimarra] #2723697
03/23/18 08:31 AM
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Interesting opinions, although primarily two different camps; one for an acoustic starter piano, and one for a digital. There are excellent points of view in both camps. I have a Casio Privia 310 digital stage piano that I love. I've played it many times at off-site locations, Churches, weddings, out-door events, etc. It's light, easy to transport, has 88 weighted keys that feel pretty good. The built-in speakers are nothing to brag about, but it sounds fantastic when played through my Roland keyboard amp, or a PA system. I love the different settings, sounds, accompaniments, etc.. and there are so many, I haven't even scratched the surface learning how to use them all. I play it hard, and don't care if I break it. If I break it, I'll buy another one just like it.

But it is not an acoustic piano. There is a difference. So, put me in the camp with the acoustic; at least in this particular instance... smile

To me the biggest advantage of the digital is the need for tuning and maintenance; there is none, unless it stops working when you plug it into the wall outlet.

Good luck!

Rick


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Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: Solimarra] #2723713
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I think ultimately it's best to have one of each: acoustic and digital.

Given that a great deal on an acoustic is what you've found, go for it. If the children continue playing, consider adding a digital in a few years.


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Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: Solimarra] #2723911
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I'd like to weigh in in favor of getting this inexpensive acoustic piano. My family got a similar piano (in our case, a 50 year old Acrosonic) when my son was 6. I think an acoustic is a far better choice for a child. Digitals sound awesome to kids the first month that they play them - listen to all the sounds that they can make! - and then they lose interest. Even a mediocre acoustic piano makes a wonderful sound when you play a chord, a sound that just rolls around inside after you play it.

Several of my son's friends starting playing piano around the same time he did. Almost to a person, the kids who had acoustic pianos at home are the ones who are still playing now (they're all eleven now). The kids with digitals have forgotten their pianos a long time ago.

I think there's pros and cons to each, but I think for a young kid learning that acoustic is preferable.

Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: Adam107] #2723914
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Originally Posted by Adam107
I'd like to weigh in in favor of getting this inexpensive acoustic piano. My family got a similar piano (in our case, a 50 year old Acrosonic) when my son was 6. I think an acoustic is a far better choice for a child. Digitals sound awesome to kids the first month that they play them - listen to all the sounds that they can make! - and then they lose interest. Even a mediocre acoustic piano makes a wonderful sound when you play a chord, a sound that just rolls around inside after you play it.

Several of my son's friends starting playing piano around the same time he did. Almost to a person, the kids who had acoustic pianos at home are the ones who are still playing now (they're all eleven now). The kids with digitals have forgotten their pianos a long time ago.

I think there's pros and cons to each, but I think for a young kid learning that acoustic is preferable.


+1. Acoustic is much preferable imo...


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Re: Should I buy this piano? [Re: Adam107] #2723988
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Originally Posted by Adam107
I'd like to weigh in in favor of getting this inexpensive acoustic piano. My family got a similar piano (in our case, a 50 year old Acrosonic) when my son was 6. I think an acoustic is a far better choice for a child. Digitals sound awesome to kids the first month that they play them - listen to all the sounds that they can make! - and then they lose interest. Even a mediocre acoustic piano makes a wonderful sound when you play a chord, a sound that just rolls around inside after you play it.

Several of my son's friends starting playing piano around the same time he did. Almost to a person, the kids who had acoustic pianos at home are the ones who are still playing now (they're all eleven now). The kids with digitals have forgotten their pianos a long time ago.

I think there's pros and cons to each, but I think for a young kid learning that acoustic is preferable.
That's an interesting point. I'm mostly in the digital as starter piano camp, but your point about the physical experience of playing an acoustic is a good one. The 'sound just rolls around inside' me when I play my own acoustic in a way it never did on our digital. A child might well be entranced by that experience as well. Less entrancing (for the parent) might be the ongoing upkeep for an acoustic.


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