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Where to put my Piano! (yamaha u3) #2722773
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So, this fine forum helped me to my decision on my piano, why not where I should place it.

Formal living room. Wide open, high ceilings, kid bedrooms closer at the top of stairs. Looks nice. Tape measure on floor is 8'x5'. This is when I was considering putting 6' grand out there. Well, still am, just later.

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Office. Lower ceilings, alcove (not sure if good or bad), can close doors. Digital will move to bedroom or formal living room in the mean time. Plan to upgrade digital to better keyboard and give old one to another in-law who wants to have kiddo's learn.

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Also, here is the Piano I'm getting. Will be here Wednesday.
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Re: Where to put my Piano! (yamaha u3) [Re: YATT] #2722788
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Nice looking piano !! Either location would probably be fine.

Is the office alcove wide enough to accommodate it? What about the depth? Would the piano and bench stick out too much?
Benefits to placing it in the office would be less distraction for the person practicing - and less impact on others in the house - particularly when playing in the evening. .
Negatively, the piano would be tucked away and not visible to guests........which would be a crying shame...and the sound would be largely confined to that room..

The piano would definitely be the main attraction in the living room from a visual perspective - and take on greater significance as an integral part of the family.
Am assuming you'd place it against the wall by the stairwell and take down the two bulletin boards.
Living room placement would encourage more home performances for guests. Negatively, it might be more difficult for your wife and kids to practice without distractions
Might also be harder for your wife to play without disturbing the kiddos after they've gone to bed. (Does the piano have a muted practice pedal?)

Personally, I'd put it in the living room and keep the digital in the office. Then - when you buy a grand, the U3 can be moved to the office and the digital can go to a relative.


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It does have a muted pedal with locking (slide to the left). I agree with your thoughts. I didn't think about the distraction so I appreciate that. I don't think I'll own two acoustics however. The u3 will like go when the grand comes unless the u3 goes to the bedroom....yeah it is big enough. My house is too big for my liking. I guess I could do that. I'd have to sacrifice a chair, but when that time comes I can likely remove that area. Thanks for the idea.

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Originally Posted by YATT
It does have a muted pedal with locking (slide to the left). I agree with your thoughts. I didn't think about the distraction so I appreciate that. I don't think I'll own two acoustics however. The u3 will like go when the grand comes unless the u3 goes to the bedroom....yeah it is big enough. My house is too big for my liking. I guess I could do that. I'd have to sacrifice a chair, but when that time comes I can likely remove that area. Thanks for the idea.
My 7 foot grand is in the living room - my 51" upright in the family room - and my digital in an upstairs bedroom. The upright is new - so I still haven't felt the pain of paying to tune TWO acoustics. My previous upright (which I gave to my daughter who doesn't play but wanted the piano for sentimental reasons) had only been tuned seven times in 42 years (yikes)....but I'm going to be more caring with the new one. Good luck with your decision. When you do purchase the grand, at least you'll be able to sell the U3 for a reasonable amount as they tend to hold their value well.


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Re: Where to put my Piano! (yamaha u3) [Re: YATT] #2722805
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I definitely wouldn't put it in that alcove! I've played pianos that were enclosed like that on 3 sides and every one of them sounded terrible. I think it's because the sound can't radiate in different directions so it explodes right towards you, the player, making it hard to play softly and making the tone very harsh and direct - there will likely be strong resonances at certain frequencies too. Of course your digital doesn't suffer this problem because you can turn down the volume. If you do need to put the Yamaha in your office, I'd put it on a different wall with some space around it. Just my 2c.

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Originally Posted by ando
I definitely wouldn't put it in that alcove! I've played pianos that were enclosed like that on 3 sides and every one of them sounded terrible. I think it's because the sound can't radiate in different directions so it explodes right towards you, the player, making it hard to play softly and making the tone very harsh and direct - there will likely be strong resonances at certain frequencies too. Of course your digital doesn't suffer this problem because you can turn down the volume. If you do need to put the Yamaha in your office, I'd put it on a different wall with some space around it. Just my 2c.


Good point. Need to go over this with the wife. I really don’t want to have to move this again.

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I would go for the large open space. I recently moved my kauai away from the wall into the middle of the room (18 ft fight ceilings) and was blown away by the improvement in sound. The low frequencies especially sounded more rich and full. The piano needs room for the low frequencies to breath- kinda like getting a high performance exhaust on a car!

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Originally Posted by Issadore
I would go for the large open space. I recently moved my kauai away from the wall into the middle of the room (18 ft fight ceilings) and was blown away by the improvement in sound. The low frequencies especially sounded more rich and full. The piano needs room for the low frequencies to breath- kinda like getting a high performance exhaust on a car!

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Pianos sound better in large rooms with high ceilings, as your living. I'd even put it off the wall and cover the back with nice clothing, so that it could project more sound.

Something like this, but custom made.
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Re: Where to put my Piano! (yamaha u3) [Re: YATT] #2723140
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That's a beautiful piano.
I would put it where everyone can see it and enjoy it.
I think pianos tucked away tend to get overlooked.
But when it's right there in front of you, you can't avoid it.


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Thanks again everyone. We are going to put it in the formal living room. I just removed the white boards, filled some holes and painted the wall so it is ready! Piano is supposed to be here within 2 hours. Finished just in time.

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That's going to be a great spot for the piano. Enjoy!


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I once moved my vertical piano away from the wall and was surprised at how much better is sounded. Of course, the ability to put a vertical up against a wall is why most people buy them.

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Originally Posted by YATT
Thanks again everyone. We are going to put it in the formal living room. I just removed the white boards, filled some holes and painted the wall so it is ready! Piano is supposed to be here within 2 hours. Finished just in time.

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So looking forward to seeing a photo of the new piano in place !!

Nice job on the wall preparation !!


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Originally Posted by Roy123
I once moved my vertical piano away from the wall and was surprised at how much better is sounded. Of course, the ability to put a vertical up against a wall is why most people buy them.

And they are pretty much designed for that purpose - otherwise the rear of the piano would have a nicer looking backside than exposed wood support beams and the soundboard.


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I like my upright better when it's out about 10 inches from the wall. I'd try further out but room is already pretty short in that direction so real estate is precious.


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Its here. Looks and sounds great. Couple small issues that I hope to have adjusted in a few weeks when I get my tuneup.

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When you press the "mute" the felt that comes down for the mute doesn't go all the way back up on the high end. If I manually life it up a tiny bit it is good, just can't use the "mute" pedal effectively.

There is a loose bolt, washer, or something on one of the pedals (maybe related to the other issue). When you play loud on a two of the mid-lower notes you get a buzz/rattle. Hope the can be addressed easily. It is only 2 notes that do this. One octave lower than middle C. The notes are B & C only (think it is B2 C3 if middle C is C4). I hope this is easily fixable.

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If you pop open the kick board, there is typically a fine adjustment for the mute rail, right near the middle pedal. It's fairly self-explanatory when you see it.


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I take it back, it is more than those two notes. Something has to be loose somewhere. Oh well, if they can't fix it, I can exchange it within the first 12 months so no big deal..

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Looks fantastic !!!!!! Congrats !! thumb

I'm sure they'll be able to fix the problem.


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Check all four casters. It is actually difficult to get all four sitting relatively equally. Three legs are self leveling, but four will need some help. If one is loose it will rattle like mad. If loose simply stick a paper or cardboard shim underneath. Ideally you want pretty equal pressure on all.

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It is so hard to not play it (kids are sleeping). Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.
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All minor issues most likely and easily fixed. Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Carey
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I once moved my vertical piano away from the wall and was surprised at how much better is sounded. Of course, the ability to put a vertical up against a wall is why most people buy them.

And they are pretty much designed for that purpose - otherwise the rear of the piano would have a nicer looking backside than exposed wood support beams and the soundboard.


Too true, but one has to wonder. The pianos sound exponentially better when in the center of a room. If you think of the room between the soundboard and the floor and I grand, and move it away from the wall that far you will like the sound I am sure. I take the front panels off as well and it sounds amazing. (In my completely subjective and individual environment of course. ;))

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Wow, the piano looks beautiful!!! Congratulations!!

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Originally Posted by Issadore
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Originally Posted by Roy123
I once moved my vertical piano away from the wall and was surprised at how much better is sounded. Of course, the ability to put a vertical up against a wall is why most people buy them.

And they are pretty much designed for that purpose - otherwise the rear of the piano would have a nicer looking backside than exposed wood support beams and the soundboard.


Too true, but one has to wonder. The pianos sound exponentially better when in the center of a room. If you think of the room between the soundboard and the floor and I grand, and move it away from the wall that far you will like the sound I am sure. I take the front panels off as well and it sounds amazing. (In my completely subjective and individual environment of course. ;))
I bet it really does sound amazing. thumb


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Wow, the piano looks beautiful!!! Congratulations!!

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I agree. I wouldn't leave the lid open all the time, however.

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Looks beautiful! Congratulations on your new piano, hopefully the teething issues you have identified will be easily fixed. Wishing you and your family many happy years of music making!

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Originally Posted by BruceD

I agree. I wouldn't leave the lid open all the time, however.

Regards,


Bruce, I see dust being an issue and kids hands, but is there another reason I should know for not leaving it open? Just trying to learn here. Thanks

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I agree that opening the lid on an upright piano will yield more sound and subtle nuances. But I rarely ever open the lid on my Kawai upright. For one, it is located in part of our living room, and has a brass music-desk lamp on top of the piano, along with some pictures and nick-knacks my wife insists on putting on top of the piano. So, I would have to move some stuff off the lid to open it.

Oh yea, the Kawai upright also has a little wood prop specifically for propping the lid open. So, it can be left open on the prop, if desired. It just depends on personal preference.

I keep the lid closed on my Yamaha C7, with fly-lid folded back, most all the time; I do raise the lid occasionally when I play it. There is never any kind of nick-knack or object on the lid of my grand pianos, ever. I keep the lid raised on my Baldwin R all the time.

It's all just a matter of preference. But most uprights I've seen in homes do not have the lid raised/open most of the time.

Just my .02. :-)

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I only open my lid while I'm playing. Otherwise, it's complete closed - fallboard too. I just don't want dust collecting in it. The insides are just too hard to clean.

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