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Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2722889
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From owning over 10 headphones, I have learnt:
1- Comfort is at least as important as sound, if they are not comfortable you will tend not to use them, even if the sound is great (it's like playing a piano that has a great sound and terrible action... well to be honest, it's worse, I can adapt more to a bad action than to uncomfortable and painful headphones)
2. Some closed back headphones (like many of the Shures) feel like open one
3. There are many subjective opinions because it's not just a matter of how they sound, but a matter of the match between how they sound and the sound of the piano played (which makes again for many different opinions on the same instrument....) Some bright pianos will sound best with warmer headphones and some warm piano (like the rolands) will make some crappy headphones sound better than they really are...(offsetting the poor bass in the headphone for instance), but will make sound boomy some haedphones with a more pronounced bass (but not bass heavy, like the very good Shure 1540 for instance).


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Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2722892
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Originally Posted by Pallen

As I am planning on an eventual YD P-115 and have heard it has good sound output I hope a flat headphone set will work for me.


I have had the P-95 (same action) and sold it. The sound was pretty decent (but most virtual pianos will sound better including those for ipad), but the action was pretty lousy in my opinion. If you can find a Casio or an entry level Roland the action will be much better (again, you can "upgrade" the sound with virtual pianos via MIDI, but not the action...).


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Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2723141
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Off-topic again - somebody just posted a new (unopened) pair of hd599 for sale in the local adds for 70e, but I think I just missed them. I understand the hd598 are better suited for piano playing and listening to classical/jazz, but for that money I think it would've been worth taking the plunge..

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Originally Posted by mcoll
Off-topic again - somebody just posted a new (unopened) pair of hd599 for sale in the local adds for 70e, but I think I just missed them. I understand the hd598 are better suited for piano playing and listening to classical/jazz, but for that money I think it would've been worth taking the plunge..


Hi, to be honest I have not listened to hd599 personally, so I cannot judge precisely, I have only heard that the bass is more extended and the there are also more highs, but I guess they should be pretty similar to the HD598 they replace (again it very much depends on how well they much each specific instrument...). And yes that's even cheaper than I got my 598s (respectively 82.50 EUR in France for the SE edition new and 100 CHF in Switzerland for the original, unopened, one, quite a bargain in both cases).


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Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2723196
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What happened to all that outrage about discussing headphones over $50? smile


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Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2723204
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We weren't recommending them to the OP.
That topic was mostly covered and I contributed to it based on personal experience and lots of reading a while back when I was looking for the same thing as the op.
And now that the topic was covered, I strayed off topic smile

Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2723206
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I just got the Samson SR850's for $32.50, and I can't believe how good they sound. Highly recommended.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
Re: Best headphone opinions. [Re: Pallen] #2723246
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I appreciate all the options, particularly the new entries for under $50. I like the idea of the Superlux HD662-EVO as I like the idea of minor modifications to make a better product. I am pondering this as my choice as I am researching it further. I found this 'diyaudioheaven' article and the PDF it leads to especially interesting. I am not finding it available in the USA though. So can not try it out, and buying it overseas makes it not worth sending back postage wise. But based on what I am reading about it, it is worth gambling on.

Last edited by Pallen; 03/21/18 03:59 PM. Reason: Engrish

Using an eMeda 61 KB for dummies Yup, That's really what it's called. Can you blame for wanting to upgrade to an 88 key Digital Piano (ie. YDP115w). Yep, I've got the bug for digital sound and 88 keys. I am learning to play using PianoVideoLesson.com Year 1 Course, and am currently in Unit 3.
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Chances are you won't find anything better in the budget. I don't think returning them is worth contemplating unless you're willing to at least double what you're willing to spend.

The sr850 was the best choice as far as I am concerned, but since you want a closed headphone, the sr950 (my preference because of better comfort and possibly sound stage) or the HD662 Evo are the next best thing. Mind you, I haven't tried the 662 with the velour pads, which may increase the sound stage a bit. The pleather ones are quite shallow.
All three options have a very good sound, clear, without distortion and natural. The sr850 is very flat and clear which makes it great for piano and classical/Jazz listening. The other two are slightly more coloured and fun to listen, but not exaggerated. Good luck with the purchase.

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I've been playing for well over a year with $99 (on sale) Audio Technica ATH-M50X headphones, and playing the SR850's, I appreciate these qualities in comparison:

1. Lighter weight
2. Less clamping
3. Better soundstage translates to superior differentiation between notes
4. Bright sound without sacrificing the low notes

I'll be using the SR850's except when people are sleeping, I'll use the M50X's.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
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I have been comparing these: (US$ Prices shown for comparison)
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Closed;

Samson SR950 Professional Studio Reference Headphones (US$64.99 Amazon, also available at Walmart US$64.29)
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Superlux HD662 Evo (Not available on Amazon, but around US$44 on Ebay, not my favorite choice of seller options here)
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Semi Open;

Samson SR850 Semi-Open-Back Studio Reference Headphones (US$32.80 Amazon, also available for same at Walmart $32.80)
and
Superlux HD668B Dynamic Semi-Open Headphones (US$44.95 Amazon)
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Tough choices, but that is why I started this comparison.

Last edited by Pallen; 03/22/18 12:35 AM. Reason: clarity

Using an eMeda 61 KB for dummies Yup, That's really what it's called. Can you blame for wanting to upgrade to an 88 key Digital Piano (ie. YDP115w). Yep, I've got the bug for digital sound and 88 keys. I am learning to play using PianoVideoLesson.com Year 1 Course, and am currently in Unit 3.
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B, to make certain my half wits comprehend your remarks, you prefer the inexpensive samson headphones over the budget audiophile audiotechnica ?

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from huaidongxi..
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"to make certain my half wits comprehend your remarks, you prefer the inexpensive samson headphones over the budget audiophile audiotechnica ?

I am looking at both, but It does look like if I choose the Superlux HD662 Evo, I would be purchasing from perhaps less reliable sources on ebay. USA sources do not seem to carry them. I am trying not to quble about +/- US$10 'ish

Edit: Also found HD662 Evo on Amazon for US $49.07 Penny's below my theoretical limit, coming from Japan.

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Using an eMeda 61 KB for dummies Yup, That's really what it's called. Can you blame for wanting to upgrade to an 88 key Digital Piano (ie. YDP115w). Yep, I've got the bug for digital sound and 88 keys. I am learning to play using PianoVideoLesson.com Year 1 Course, and am currently in Unit 3.
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Again off-topic:
There's a hefty discount for the Philips X2 Fidelio on Amazon.de (there's 160e down from 350rrp). I'm not sure what's the usual street price, but it sounds interesting.

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Originally Posted by huaidongxi
B, to make certain my half wits comprehend your remarks, you prefer the inexpensive samson headphones over the budget audiophile audiotechnica ?


I'm using the headphone for listening to myself playing Pianoteq. For this purpose, the Samson SR850's sound much better than the Audio Technica ATH-M50X's. With the superior soundstage, chords sound less mushy and with a better representation of the upper midrange, I can hear nuances of the piano that I hadn't heard before.

I correct myself on the clamping, the clamping is the same, even though the Samson's are lighter. The Samson's are a little too bright but not sibilant. Overall, I am very impressed by the Samson headphones, and I recommend them for those on a budget.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
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OK, after a few days, the SR850 magic is wearing off a little. Part of the magic is hearing the bright side of the piano's spectrum for the first time, but then after a while, it sounds too bright. Some eq was in order, and I currently say these are just incredible for the price, and very good overall.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
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. As suggested it does look like the Superlux HD662 Evo would be a very good option in this range, but as I have said already, I would be purchasing from perhaps less reliable sources on ebay with no cost effective way to return them in case of defect.

. Since this is the case, I think the Samson SR850 is the best choice for me as I can get it from the US at a local store. If there are issues, or I do like it, I can take it back without having to worry about return shipping on such an "inexpensive" item. Has anyone done any mods on the SR850 to tone down the brightness?

. I thank everyone for their help in helping me choose, your collective experience has been most helpful. Please continue on if you have further headphone suggestions around this range. I am sure over time new models will show up.

Last edited by Pallen; 03/27/18 01:05 AM.

Using an eMeda 61 KB for dummies Yup, That's really what it's called. Can you blame for wanting to upgrade to an 88 key Digital Piano (ie. YDP115w). Yep, I've got the bug for digital sound and 88 keys. I am learning to play using PianoVideoLesson.com Year 1 Course, and am currently in Unit 3.
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A piece of tissue paper should achieve that effect, but they aren't overly bright / aggressive. In case you'll want to mod them, here you can find detailed information: https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/taming-the-treble/

However, in reviews they are described as flat, not bright, so you may give them a chance as they are for a while, and then decide if you think modding is a good idea.

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Gosh,

I have lost my lovely HD600 last week (forgotten at the airport :-( ) & i couldnot push myself to buy another set, at least for now.

But I have just received these Superlux 668b, and Gosh I am quite surprised, to my hear they are pretty much as good for piano (CA78) no notable difference but 1/10 of the price.Ridiculous.Love them.

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I'm starting to have second thoughts on getting something like the hd598 or hd600 after reading posts like yours, Deck! Not even differences in sound stage?! smile
They are pretty flat, that's true, but I didn't expect that reaction.

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