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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Leenie] #2722109
03/18/18 02:03 AM
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In conclusion it was misjudgement on my part. The Cm prelude from wtc 1 really takes some working to be played like that. My apologies smile

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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: bennevis] #2722347
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by Leenie
I just purchased a Roland LX7, which I thought I liked better than the Kawai, but when I started playing it at home, I started questioning my decision.
Thought the keys were a little noisy. So I went back to the store to test the one they had and it did play the same way, than I compared it to an acoustic, which also
has mechanical noise to the keys, which I never really noticed before. Than I played the Kawai again and for some classical melodic pieces seemed to sound nicer than the Roland. I am a piano teacher and play a lot of classical music.Need help, what is some of your opinions on which is the better instrument?.


Yes, LX7 sounds synthetic to my ears too. Maybe you are new to digital pianos but there are two main types of digital piano sound engines: modeled and sampled. LX7 is the former. It is still scientifically unclear as to why modeled pianos sound very artificial to some people but that's a fact. I am also one of those people. To my ears the only satisfying sound is from sampled piano engines. If I were you, I would try to sell the LX7 as soon as possible

I do admire you for putting words into another poster's mouth and advising a classical pianist (who's probably a much more experienced pianist than you) who likes her instrument to sell it, just because you keep selling and buying new ones yourself.....

I don't recall the OP using the word "synthetic", do you?

Leenie, you liked the LX7 better for a reason. But then you thought the Kawai 'seemed to sound better for some classical melodic pieces'. Coming here to ask what you should do is inviting the likes of CG (who has a long track record of dissing all modelled digitals) to tell you to get rid of your purchase.

I'm not going to tell you what to do, but like TonyB, I don't think you want to join the ranks of those who keep changing their digitals just as soon as a 'better' one comes along, or as soon as they find something they like more in another one. No digital is perfect, just as no acoustic is perfect.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that modelled digitals are much more satisfying to play, especially for a classical pianist, and they behave much more like real pianos because they are not restricted by the limits of what the manufacturer chose to sample. I'd long ago lost interest in visiting DP stores just to try new ones for fun, because every new sampled digital behaves the same way and I find their range of expressive possibilities limit what I want to bring out in the music. It just gets boring, and I rapidly lose interest. Not something I can say for my modelled digital (V-Piano), which I'm still playing on three to four hours a day ever since I bought it eight years ago (and learnt lots of new advanced rep on it, for performance on an acoustic grand).


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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Leenie] #2722362
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Leenie, you won't regret buying the LX7. It will serve you well for many years.

Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Leenie] #2722437
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I don't see the point of you guys, owners of Roland fully modeled pianos, being offended by my personal opinion about modeled pianos. The OP is apparently not satisfied with his LX7 compared to a sampled piano. He hasn't shared in details what he found lacking compared to that sampled piano, so to an extent I put words in his mouth. But let's face it, if one is complaining about modeled piano sound compared to sampled piano sound what could that be? How many different complaints have you heard? Are we counting all the various words? It's apparent that when one doesn't like modeled sound it's the typical modeled sound character. You can call it synthetic, metallic, unrealistic or whatever but it's basically one and same deficiency of the modeled nature. I stand behind my advice. If one feels dissatisfied with his piano at such an early stage of ownership he better replaces it with what he likes better. Bringing up some philosophical theses about consumer society trends is not helpful. This is his first digital instrument, he hasn't read the forums prior to feeling the instrument is not satisfactory so he hasn't been influenced by me or other guys who upgraded their digitals from time to time (as if that's bad...). As a matter of fact, he is presumably an advanced classical pianist who is buying his first digital instrument and discovers that he's not satisfied with LX7 and feels CA78 is better. And you come here arguing his preference smile

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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Leenie] #2722454
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I suspect we may have lost Leenie. Might have been better to stick to the subject.


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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Leenie] #2722461
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We lost Leenie! Why god, why?

Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Pete14] #2722466
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Originally Posted by Pete14
We lost Leenie! Why god, why?


Made one post, and that was the last time they logged on - not come back to see any replies

Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: CyberGene] #2722495
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I don't see the point of you guys, owners of Roland fully modeled pianos, being offended by my personal opinion about modeled pianos. The OP is apparently not satisfied with his LX7 compared to a sampled piano. He hasn't shared in details what he found lacking compared to that sampled piano, so to an extent I put words in his mouth. But let's face it, if one is complaining about modeled piano sound compared to sampled piano sound what could that be? How many different complaints have you heard? Are we counting all the various words? It's apparent that when one doesn't like modeled sound it's the typical modeled sound character. You can call it synthetic, metallic, unrealistic or whatever but it's basically one and same deficiency of the modeled nature. I stand behind my advice. If one feels dissatisfied with his piano at such an early stage of ownership he better replaces it with what he likes better. Bringing up some philosophical theses about consumer society trends is not helpful. This is his first digital instrument, he hasn't read the forums prior to feeling the instrument is not satisfactory so he hasn't been influenced by me or other guys who upgraded their digitals from time to time (as if that's bad...). As a matter of fact, he is presumably an advanced classical pianist who is buying his first digital instrument and discovers that he's not satisfied with LX7 and feels CA78 is better. And you come here arguing his preference smile


I, personally, am not offended by someone else's opinion. We each like what we like. However, please remember that we live in an age in which people seem to feel entitled the right to be offended by most anything these days. It has reached a level of silliness that will hopefully become obvious enough to most so that the pendulum starts to swing back to a more reasonable position.

Tony

Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: akc42] #2722597
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Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Pete14
We lost Leenie! Why god, why?


Made one post, and that was the last time they logged on - not come back to see any replies


Maybe they have email notifications set for when the thread updates?


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Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: Gombessa] #2722608
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Pete14
We lost Leenie! Why god, why?


Made one post, and that was the last time they logged on - not come back to see any replies


Maybe they have email notifications set for when the thread updates?

After the third or fourth "modelling/sampling is better than sampling/modelling" post they would surely have disabled those, no? wink

Re: Roland LX7 vs. Kawai CA78 [Re: JoBert] #2722649
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Pete14
We lost Leenie! Why god, why?


Made one post, and that was the last time they logged on - not come back to see any replies


Maybe they have email notifications set for when the thread updates?

After the third or fourth "modelling/sampling is better than sampling/modelling" post they would surely have disabled those, no? wink


Well, dang, the only alternative to repetitive posting here is to ... play the darn things. Why would anybody want to do that when forums are so much more fun, even if it has all been said already? smile

Tony

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