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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Granyala] #2721902
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Kudos for actually going to the trouble to test it Granyala.

However I wonder if it is so simple. It's quite possible that UT has either a max rate it will accept before reformating audio down to 44K at some lower bitrate or even a list of specific formats it will accept without reformatting. So it's quite possible that it *might* allow a higher res format to be uploaded and maintained than the default one it reformats too high rates to. If I was UT I'd probably have some ML program look at the videos and make an 'intelligent' decision as to what rate to use depending on the contents so it would be essentially unpredictable and no doubt we'll get that one day.

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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2721910
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Well I specified the max rate according to youtubes upload recommendations.

Also, from what I gather around the interwebs, they pretty much unified audio bitrate independent of actual video settings/quality.
Which makes sense, if you are honest about it. Variable 192 with an advanced codec is more than enough to achieve decent audio quality, esp considering that YT is not supposed to be a music listening streaming service for audiophiles. wink


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2721911
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Thanks !!!

If Youtube always compress the audio files in 192 kb/s, I think I don't need to buy another sofware to have higher bitrate (max in Resolve : 192).


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Granyala] #2721914
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Granyala, did you try to upload two versions – with 192 Kbps and 384 Kbps, and then to compare both on YouTube? The question is maybe you will get final result on YouTube even worse, if you will upload it on YouTube with 192 instead of 384.

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Originally Posted by AlexBltn
Granyala, did you try to upload two versions – with 192 Kbps and 384 Kbps, and then to compare both on YouTube? The question is maybe you will get final result on YouTube even worse, if you will upload it on YouTube with 192 instead of 384.


I don't have the ability to hear differences at these bitrates, out of very specific scenarios and conditions, I'm afraid.

If you want people to listen to your playing in lossless quality, there is a far easier solution: get a cloud drive, upload a flac version of your raw data and put the DL link into the video description.

Or better yet: give us the midi file, so we can feed it directly into our VSTi. laugh


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Granyala] #2721920
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Originally Posted by Granyala
I don't have the ability to hear differences at these bitrates, out of very specific scenarios and conditions, I'm afraid.
Before you were talking not about the ability to hear differences. You used tools for that instead of ears:
Originally Posted by Granyala
According to JDownloader 2, the best audio quality I can get is 192 Kbps

And we can compare file sizes for each downloaded version. There should be a reason, why YouTube recommends 384 Kbps for upload. Otherwise that article from 2015 is correct and YouTube is wrong…

Originally Posted by Granyala
If you want people to listen to your playing in lossless quality
No, I don't want.

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: citytrader] #2721925
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Meanwhile...

Originally Posted by citytrader

By last note I mean the highest frequency note in the piano, in mine is C8 @ 4.3Khz.


Taking into account the fundamental freq of the last key (the value of which you have written) when you talk about deciding a bandwidth is useful only "to perceive that the last key has been pressed" which is "very different" from the audio quality considerations for choosing an adequate sampling rate (for no perceivable loss of fidelity!), which was the point of your discussion. I kindly pointed out that your "under 5 kHz" comment was "irrelevant" regarding the subject, not to mention that defining the bandwidth of the piano with that value is scientifically wrong.

As long as you keep on referring to the "fundamental frequency of the highest note" (without explicitly saying it!) when you say "the highest frequency note", it seems you are also obfuscating the matter for yourself.

Originally Posted by citytrader

A normal ear can not go more than 16-18Khz...


Yes, now in the light of this rightful information, let me put it directly:
What sampling rate should be chosen, and how did you use that "under 5 kHz" information to find that sampling rate?

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: AlexBltn] #2721936
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Originally Posted by AlexBltn
Before you were talking not about the ability to hear differences. You used tools for that instead of ears:
Originally Posted by Granyala
According to JDownloader 2, the best audio quality I can get is 192 Kbps

And we can compare file sizes for each downloaded version.

I don't see any point to this experiment.
There will be a difference between the two files but since both have 192 Kbps it will be negligible and not indicative of sonic quality.


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: mwf] #2721961
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Originally Posted by mwf
Then I simply record live using my CP4 hooked up to the PC, this way I am playing and recording CFX at the same time. The resulting file is a midi one once I have finished recording

I think this is described inaccurate. On this step you don't record CFX, you just play/hear it. You record MIDI. So, the phrase could be something like that:
"this way I am playing CFX and recording MIDI at the same time".

Originally Posted by mwf
I then export this into 24 bit 44.1hz wav file
44.1 kHz. Or 44100 Hz.

Originally Posted by mwf
I use real time render because if there is a CPU overload it tells you and you wont have clicks and pops in the recording
I didn't understand this, what did you mean. If there're will be clicks and pops "it" will tell me. Who and how will tell me? So, after "it will tell me", clicks and pops will disappear themself?

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2721985
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I think he meant to say that he DOESN'T use real time render because of clicks and pops. laugh

Real time render = recording to .wav while playing

As for the "it tells me": when you use render, there is no such thing as CPU overload because it doesn't matter if a calculation takes longer than expected. It is not real time so the sample does not get "dropped".


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2721986
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Oh my god, are you serious, stop being pedantic, I'm not even going to reply to this, I don't have time, get over yourself and stop trying to be clever, it's really annoying. What the heck do you think I meant by 44.1? You know yourself but are still trying to be clever there, so why ask.

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: 9190] #2721995
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Originally Posted by 9190
I think this is described inaccurate.


I think this is stated inaccurately.

smirk


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: voxpops] #2721997
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Originally Posted by mwf
Oh my god, are you serious, stop being pedantic

It's not about pedantry. For example for me your posts really difficult to understand. Plus really there were some mistakes and constant misprints.

Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by 9190
I think this is described inaccurate.

I think this is stated inaccurately.

−1 to your post. I was confused too. And I think it's important to be clear and accurate if you are trying to explain something for people, who doesn't have enough knowledge in some sphere.

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Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by 9190
I think this is described inaccurate.


I think this is stated inaccurately.

smirk


I think this is inaccurately stated. 2hearts

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While I agree that mwf's posts are a bit hard to read and contain incorrect information at times, remember not everyone (myself included) is a native English speaker.

I think we should return to the topic at hand, lest we want some angry mod to start swinging his banhammer.


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Pete14] #2722025
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by 9190
I think this is described inaccurate.


I think this is stated inaccurately.

smirk


I think this is inaccurately stated. 2hearts

Are those 22 kill o'hearts?


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Granyala] #2722032
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Originally Posted by Granyala
While I agree that mwf's posts are a bit hard to read and contain incorrect information at times, remember not everyone (myself included) is a native English speaker .


Yes, exactly. Proficient English speakers should try putting their posts in Spanish, say. That is the kind of difficulty faced by non-native English speakers every time they write on a forum like this. I'm amazed how effectively contributers like Cybergene and Granyala write in English. But not all non-native speakers can be expected to be so clear.


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2722061
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I hope I write correctly english in this forum.
I'm french and I don't understand every technical words.

Greetings from Paris.

Si des gens parlent français ici, ça m'arrangerait pas mal de savoir qui.

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Greetings from Montigny-le-Bretonneux (near Versailles). wink


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Granyala] #2722067
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Originally Posted by Granyala
While I agree that mwf's posts are a bit hard to read and contain incorrect information at times, remember not everyone (myself included) is a native English speaker.

For me English is also not my native language, but in mwf's profile it's written "United Kingdom"… Even if English isn't his native language, at least he lives in English-speaking country… I live far from any English-speaking country. But I think you don't need to know English perfectly to not confuse phrases like "I use" and "I don't use":
Originally Posted by mwf
I use real time render…

Originally Posted by Granyala
I think he meant to say that he DOESN'T use real time render because of clicks and pops. laugh


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