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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2717940
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Well, I'm not gonna spend $49 to see the report.


Me neither. But the point is, the info is available.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: kpembrook] #2717941
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Seems like a sale of Baldwin might have been in the works. (Which could be why a secretary who answered the phone didn't know.) This site is reporting it as a done deal.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2717948
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Gibson's guitar business is doing just fine it's the questionable acquisition of other companies that has them in trouble. Their CEO is quoted as having said they want to be the Nike of audio. They should have stuck to making instruments.

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Originally Posted by jarobi
Gibson's guitar business is doing just fine it's the questionable acquisition of other companies that has them in trouble. Their CEO is quoted as having said they want to be the Nike of audio. They should have stuck to making instruments.


Well, not according to this.

Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: kpembrook] #2718031
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Originally Posted by kpembrook
. (Which could be why a secretary who answered the phone didn't know.).


Yup. It happens surprisingly often even at big corporations that you get some kid on the phone who doesn't know, and just guesses.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: tend to rush] #2718118
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Gibson's guitar business is doing just fine it's the questionable acquisition of other companies that has them in trouble. Their CEO is quoted as having said they want to be the Nike of audio. They should have stuck to making instruments.


Well, not according to this.


I didn't say their guitars were affordable or of the same quality as before but that the guitar division was still (fine) profitable. In the video, at the 11:30 mark they talk about how Gibson's instrument division is still profitable with $1B in sales. What's killing them, right now, is the looming bond and loan payments coming due from their acquisition of mostly unprofitable businesses.

Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: jarobi] #2718248
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Originally Posted by jarobi
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Gibson's guitar business is doing just fine it's the questionable acquisition of other companies that has them in trouble. Their CEO is quoted as having said they want to be the Nike of audio. They should have stuck to making instruments.


Well, not according to this.


I didn't say their guitars were affordable or of the same quality as before but that the guitar division was still (fine) profitable. In the video, at the 11:30 mark they talk about how Gibson's instrument division is still profitable with $1B in sales. What's killing them, right now, is the looming bond and loan payments coming due from their acquisition of mostly unprofitable businesses.


Just like Fender and Guitar Center.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2718329
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There are a few active topics right now on PW about Baldwin. If Gibson has sold the brand, wouldn't it be GRAND to find out that the new owners plan on returning manufacturing to the US and reviving the classic Baldwin piano lines we've been discussing -- uprights and grands? Oh I know that is highly unlikely, but one can dream.

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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2718330
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That would be nice!


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2718367
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According to Allpianos.com the Baldwin Brand is still owned by Gibson.

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There are many websites that will tell you that the Baldwin brand is owned by Gibson. Assessing their credibility is problematic.Websites are not always updated promptly, for instance, so a change may not be noted until much later than it happens. I believe that Gibson still owns Baldwin due to the lack of any official announcement, not because of what is on an unofficial website.


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If there is a new owner, or will be a new owner, I wonder if they will continue to list the unavailable Artist models on the website.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: James9926] #2720189
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Originally Posted by James9926
According to Allpianos.com the Baldwin Brand is still owned by Gibson.

Can we expect a press release at all pianos dot com when/if a sale is transacted? whome ha


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2720190
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If the parent company is having problems, then I suspect that both Baldwin Pianos and Gibson Guitars are viable entities on their own, and will survive any sort of re-org or fire sale.


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Re: New owner for Baldwin pianos? [Re: violarules] #2720895
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I'm no financial guru, but I believe it's not uncommon for secrecy (media blackout) before a possible bankruptcy for major corporations. Generally the public is the last to know with that.
Does look as if they are selling (doesn't say "sold") Baldwin...
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Gibson is desperately trying to make ends meet - selling its Baldwin piano brand and hiring investment bank Jeffries to assist.


Wonder who will get Baldwin. I do think that even though the current environment in the US manufacturing and regulatory world is ripe for someone to make a try here in the USA--- and it would be nice to see it happen---- is there a robust enough demand in the US market for pianos?

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Just for your consumption-- the numbers are pretty bleak
USA Piano sales are basically on life-support I'd say:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/452772/number-of-pianos-sold-in-the-us/

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You can thank the computer age for those numbers too!


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