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PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes #2720957
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After today's update I went through all the themes again in hopes of finding one with decent mobile phone support (larger fonts with narrower margins to for small screens).

Sadly, I don't see anything on this front. frown There are quite a few times when I have to zoom in a bit and scroll side to side to read each line.


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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2720997
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I log into PW almost exclusively on my iPhone rather than laptop. I just change the screen orientation to landscape when I want to read or reply to a post.


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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721009
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I have typing in landscape mode, but that is definitely a viable workaround!

Another option: how about Tapatalk integration?


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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721014
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I was actually wondering if somebody is going to start a topic on this. Well done, Gombessa!
Indeed, the mobile usability didn't improve in any way. If anything, it now looks worse, with the header of every post being larger and displaying a large, ugly, gray square with the poster's initial. All in all, every post takes more vertical space but wrapping the text still isn't done so it remains very hard to use in portrait mode.
I also use the forum in landscape on my mobile, but when posting, typing is uncomfortable as the keyboard is way too large and flattened. Also, there are many times when it's more comfortable to hold the phone in portrait.
The large initial is pointless and ugly in my opinion.
Improved (but not pretty) additions are the tags for OP, new post and maybe other improvements as well, but I didn't notice more than this so far.

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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721045
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The "large initial" is actually a placeholder for the avatar image. If you go into your preferences and specify "Show Avatars: Yes", then instead of the initial you will see the avatar (for those users that have defined one).

Also if you specify "User info on side", then this avatar, plus the other user info, is shown beside the post, not above, using up less of the scarce vertical space in landscape mode. It's even slightly "responsive", because in portrait mode, the user info will automatically still appear above, thus not using up the scarce horizontal space.

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Yes, I figured it stands for the avatar, but I still don't find it an improvement. And it is shown on top in portrait and to the side in landscape mode. I still find it eats too much space in portrait.
And the one thing on the wishlist that several others expressed (I. E. Larger text and text wrapping in portrait) hasn't been implemented.
I appreciate the forum as it is, and it's nice to see that it is being improved, but this is one aspect that will definitely make it more user-friendly.

Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721080
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It's ridiculous simply because these days more people access the internet via their phone than from larger screened devices. By making it hard for mobile viewers, PW is sabotaging its own potential. For the extra couple of hundred bucks you might pay an IT guy fix this problem, PW could be making so much more revenue. WHY, PW, WHY?!

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Looks like this site is powered by "UBB threads" so it would depend whether a responsive theme is available from them, and how much it would cost. Perhaps the funds aren't available for that currently and it's just been a couple of tweaks that have been made?

Interestingly, the actual "UBB threads" site itself does not appear to be responsive.

Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721104
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I agree - this site is completely unusable on mobile phones.

Considering that most people access the Internet via mobile phones now-a-days, this will seriously limit growing the user base.

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Originally Posted by Osho
I agree - this site is completely unusable on mobile phones.

Considering that most people access the Internet via mobile phones now-a-days, this will seriously limit growing the user base.

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Only a small minority of visitors to my webpage use phones. I've never understood the use of phones for browsing beyond dire necessity. Who wants to browse through a keyhole?

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Actually, most of the time I'm browsing it on my phone.
And actually 2 - the perceived size of the screen depends on the distance from which it's viewed.
A large screened phone held close up may have a larger perceived size than a laptop at normal viewing distance.
And you may browse pw while on public transport, or waiting somewhere, waiting for somebody, etc. I rarely check it while I'm at my pc at home. I can't estimate how many users have this usage pattern though, but there have been others who asked for a better mobile experience, as I've said.

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I primarily use my laptop to browse this site. I would never respond to a post on a mobile device as it is way too slow.


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Originally Posted by R111

Only a small minority of visitors to my webpage use phones. I've never understood the use of phones for browsing beyond dire necessity. Who wants to browse through a keyhole?


The thing is, your page isn't representative of the world. Mobile traffic to websites across the internet have today far surpassed desktop traffic, and the lead is only widening.

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Mobile isn't usually *the best* way to browse a site, but it's often the easiest or only available option (e.g., when you're waiting in line, at a restaurant, or really anytime you're away from your own PC).

I expect sites like PW tend to skew a bit older, and there are folks here who aren't keen on smartphones and mobile web. But even if it's not a majority here, it still must a huge percentage of traffic, and really shouldn't be ignored.



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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721162
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Apparently, and unfortunately, pianos (and even digital pianos) seem to be something that’s appealing to grandpas, judging by usual semi-ignorant semi-hateful attitude threads like this attract from people who can’t understand that a smartphone is what people nowadays browse from.


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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: bSharp(C)yclist] #2721177
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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
I primarily use my laptop to browse this site. I would never respond to a post on a mobile device as it is way too slow.


I agree. Perhaps the reason a large majority of people are using a cell phone to access the internet is because so many of them are kids.


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Depends on the keyboard you have installed on the phone and the degree of practice you've had. I type faster on the phone than most people on a pc. And even faster on the pc, but for instance, at the moment I'm on holiday and I had no reason to bring a pc. Despite that, I still spend a couple of hours a day on the Internet in various ways (both consuming content as well as creating it/communicating). The almost permanent presence of phones makes them the main way of "consuming" Internet and the gap will widen further.
As for kids, like it or not, they're the future.

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Refactoring something like Pianoworld for mobile would be a difficult undertaking. It would be best to start with a mobile first approach then expand it out to different screen sizes. This BBS is ran by some underlying technology which I don't think the site owners have control over. It goes back to 1997 so again it would be a huge undertaking to create/recreate something that works smoothly for a mobile experience.

The other problem with using a BBS on a mobile device is entering text. For me at least I simply hate typing things using my phone. Especially web forms and passwords.


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All the more reason to put down the phone ... and pay attention to the world at large.

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I agree - this site is completely unusable on mobile phones.

Considering that most people access the Internet via mobile phones now-a-days, this will seriously limit growing the user base.

Osho


Only a small minority of visitors to my webpage use phones. I've never understood the use of phones for browsing beyond dire necessity. Who wants to browse through a keyhole?


My thoughts too. I managed on a 7 inch tablet, but a chromebook is better.


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Originally Posted by Vid
Refactoring something like Pianoworld for mobile would be a difficult undertaking. It would be best to start with a mobile first approach then expand it out to different screen sizes. This BBS is ran by some underlying technology which I don't think the site owners have control over. It goes back to 1997 so again it would be a huge undertaking to create/recreate something that works smoothly for a mobile experience.

The other problem with using a BBS on a mobile device is entering text. For me at least I simply hate typing things using my phone. Especially web forms and passwords.


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This (following the link in the footer of this forum) does appear to offer mobile friendly themes. I would question whether piano world can justify the expense of buying a new theme at the moment.

For the record, I'm a web developer and I think browsing on mobile phones is a soul destroying and generally horrible experience that the general public seem to have got sucked into. Having said that, I do think they're rather fun for viewing videos on with their lovely screens and everything. And this is coming from a person that has to develop mobile-first themes with more or less everything I do.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Apparently, and unfortunately, pianos (and even digital pianos) seem to be something that’s appealing to grandpas, judging by usual semi-ignorant semi-hateful attitude threads like this attract from people who can’t understand that a smartphone is what people nowadays browse from.


CyberGene, this post comes across as more than a little disrespectful to older PW viewers.

I don't believe the age of an individual should necessarily discriminate them from discussing acoustic or digital pianos, nor should any members - regardless of their age - be forced to browse on a smartphone if they are more comfortable using their computer.

For what it's worth, I too would appreciate a more mobile-friendly PianoWorld. However, until that happens, I will still be able to enjoy participating in the discussion from my phone (albeit with a little less efficiency than from my desktop PC), and am grateful to Frank and his team for their efforts to continue improving the forum.

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And why is mobile browsing soul destroying? I have all the information in the world available at any time. I don’t have to go and sit at the PC for that. I believe I learned more about many fields of human knowledge and wisdom from my smartphone compared to what I learned from all my education in schools and university. I can be at a queue, in the bus, in the park, in the mountain, even at the red traffic light in my car or, yeah, at the toilet having a s**t, and be able to browse through Wikipedia thanks to my smartphone. I learn from that forum too, although not the best experience as it seems.

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James, that was not my point. I’m not disrespectful towards old people just because they are, well, old. I’m annoyed that people come in threads like that and start questioning the importance of mobile browsing. Simply because they don’t do it. One can be old and and open minded. Or just old. And I don’t think I should respect the latter.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
nor should any members - regardless of their age - be forced to browse on a smartphone if they are more comfortable using their computer.


Who’s forcing them to use smartphones? We just want to have forum mobile friendly. That won’t make it any less desktop friendly. Quite on the contrary, it’s some members who seem to force others to browse only on desktop. I mean, what’s the problem in us asking for mobile friendly forum. Why should one come here and start dismissing mobile browsing on the base of his aversion to smartphones?


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I think it was the "Grandpa" comment that went against the grain a bit. Ironically, it's mainly older people that know the most about computers.

Also the comment that most people browse from a smartphone - It really does depend on the site, I find.

But anyway, I kind of agree, just use a responsive theme, then everyone's happy. It is a valid point, I think you're right.

Edit - I notice here :

https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/

That on a bullet point about two thirds of the way down it says

"Responsive layout on mobile devices can be disabled for your entire forum."

So maybe it's just a case of a checkbox that needs to be checked/unchecked in the theme options admin area?

Ah, also I notice that if I resize my browser, it is in fact now responsive, so I reckon this has been done while this thread has been in progress.

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Originally Posted by Zaphod
I think browsing on mobile phones is a soul destroying and generally horrible experience that the general public seem to have got sucked into. Having said that, I do think they're rather fun for viewing videos on with their lovely screens and everything. And this is coming from a person that has to develop mobile-first themes with more or less everything I do.

I don't have a mobile phone, but I bring my iPod Touch (which has the same screen size as an iPhone) when I go on holiday to use when wi-fi is available. I never bring my laptop - the places I travel to are dangerous to it (and to me, but I'm expendable......).

And guess what? - I never spend more than a few minutes browsing on it, even when there is high speed broadband available. After a few minutes of looking at new posts and threads in PW, I've had enough of peering at the small screen held up close to my (very aged but with 20/10 vision) eyes. And I never post anything, because it's just too fiddly & time-consuming (especially when correcting errors) to use the tap screen as keypad. I stop and do something else long before I develop a headache. Usually, I don't even bother to browse, and just use the Touch as my music, photo and video device.

Whereas on my 13 inch laptop at home, I have no trouble firing off ten long posts one after the other with no stress on my eyes or fingers (despite the fact that I type with one finger on each hand).



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I think browsing on mobile phones is a soul destroying and generally horrible experience that the general public seem to have got sucked into. Having said that, I do think they're rather fun for viewing videos on with their lovely screens and everything. And this is coming from a person that has to develop mobile-first themes with more or less everything I do.

I don't have a mobile phone, but I bring my iPod Touch (which has the same screen size as an iPhone) when I go on holiday to use when wi-fi is available. I never bring my laptop - the places I travel to are dangerous to it (and to me, but I'm expendable......).

And guess what? - I never spend more than a few minutes browsing on it, even when there is high speed broadband available. After a few minutes of looking at new posts and threads in PW, I've had enough of peering at the small screen held up close to my (very aged but with 20/10 vision) eyes. And I never post anything, because it's just too fiddly & time-consuming (especially when correcting errors) to use the tap screen as keypad. I stop and do something else long before I develop a headache. Usually, I don't even bother to browse, and just use the Touch as my music, photo and video device.

Whereas on my 13 inch laptop at home, I have no trouble firing off ten long posts one after the other with no stress on my eyes or fingers (despite the fact that I type with one finger on each hand).



I'd completely agree with that. Phones are great for music and even videos, but for actual proper surfing they're horrible. To be fair though, they come in useful when there's an emergency, like I have to post my latest photo of my dinner on Facebook in order to gain social validation in the form of "likes" from my pretend friends laugh.

Actually, joking aside, this appears to be the main reason that mobile companies have welded these two things together. The evolution of mobile phone surfing is based around the evolution of social media.

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It's very interesting to see the different types of responses to this issue. Definitely a lot of strong opinions on each side. I think it's worth noting:

1. Providing a new mobile style/theme need not impact the experience for desktop users. Nobody is asking for the site to be redesigned or refactored to prioritize mobile over desktop. I would assume a new Style could be imported into UBB, with larger body and form font sizes, and that would resolve 90% of the issues. Only those on mobile would need to select that style, everyone else can keep using Coffee or whatever they currently use.

2. The site already supports 15 styles with varying typefaces and sizes. Some third parties seem to be selling Styles for $10-30. While it's not my place to tell the PW owners what they should spend their money on, I would think that finding a usable free or minimal-cost mobile style would be worth the benefit to a potential 50-60+% of the traffic to the site.

3. I haven't met anyone who *prefers* browsing forums on mobile over desktop, but there's no denying that it's done, and done at least as often as on desktop nowadays. And for those complaining that viewing the site on mobile is a huge pain, I would not only agree, but suggest that it could be a lot less of a horrible experience if a workable mobile style was available, don't you think? And for those gentlepersons who seem to like responding to this issue by saying "don't view the web on a mobile phone!" they'll hopefully be relieved to discover that they don't have to smile


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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721300
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I read this here.

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UBB.threads 7.6.0 - Released - Mobile Friendly [by isaac]
UBB.threads 7.6.0 has been released and is now available to download in the Member Area.

Primary Changes In This Release
Every forum page has been updated to be Mobile Friendly


This forum is running the later 7.6.1.1 version at the moment.

This is puzzling. I still have not seen anything new or different since the forum update on mobile browsers.

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Re: PianoWorld - still no really mobile friendly themes [Re: Gombessa] #2721312
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Using a forum is not the same as general surfing, so I'm not sure why we are talking about the unsatisfactory performance of mobile phones for surfing. There are literally hundreds of very active forums that work brilliantly on the mobile platform. These websites detect the device you are using and render the most suitable layout for that device. The fact that this one doesn't is really quite silly - and easily fixable. Who knows why it isn't seen as important, but I can only assume that it is an intentional decision to ignore it because it's been raised multiple times in the threads regarding forum updates/changes, and the site's mods, admin and owner don't reply. It's outmoded and unwise, IMO. I usually use my laptop, yes, but when I'm travelling or out and about, I like to be able to use my mobile phone. This site makes it very awkward. Typing text, in particular is pretty horrendous so I don't make posts when I'm on my mobile. I belong to some other forums where the layout is so good on mobile, I don't have a preference for a larger screen. If PW was as good as my other mobile optimised forums, I don't think I would care which device I was using. It's nice to have options.

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