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For anybody into notation . . . . #2719976
03/09/18 06:17 AM
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Writing out your own music to obtain pro looking sheets.
I've been struggling to find suitable software to play on my ageing desktop; only Musescore (free) worked. And it's so complex I just . . .gave up for sanity's sake.
So i wrote my stuff out by hand. What a mess . . .
Then I found an app on my chromebook; it's called flat and here's where it is.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...cg?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-search

It can be used as a website deliverer on any computer, I would think. But it works superbly on a chromebook, with a very intuitive interface which really is logical. When you get the hang of it.
Took me about two hours, which is rather good for me . . . [i][/i]

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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720050
03/09/18 11:19 AM
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I'm using the Score Editor in Cubase 9.5 but it has it's limitations, and I wouldn't say it puts out pro looking sheet music.
But I don't want to complicate my setup even more with a separate notation program.


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720087
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I've used flat (https://flat.io) in the past and it served me well. You can use it in a browser from any device. Free version has some limitations though.

Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: andy250] #2720093
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Originally Posted by andy250
I've used flat (https://flat.io) in the past and it served me well. You can use it in a browser from any device. Free version has some limitations though.


I'll end up buying it; £39 for a year or £6 /month. I would've been happy to buy Sibelius or Avid but they wouldn't work on my PC. Anyway, a Chromeboolk on the kitchen table is ideal. Next to the coffee, fridge, . . .


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720110
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I like MuseScore. Sure, it's not simple. But music isn't simple.

There's a quote attributed to Einstein that I like: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." ;-)


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: JohnSprung] #2720119
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

I like MuseScore. Sure, it's not simple. But music isn't simple.

There's a quote attributed to Einstein that I like: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." ;-)


Music is not simple and MuseScore is indeed a great open-source project. But it has the ability of making things much more difficult than they need to be, mainly due to questionable design and usage decisions. Several ways of working are not intuitive and are not commonly found in any other notation editors. Its issues start to surface as soon as there is the need to edit an existing score. Tasks as simple as adding notes to the middle of a measure, changing the duration of existing notes or managing multiple voices is a nightmare in MuseScore. For further details just go MuseScore's forum :-)

Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720125
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I've been using Sibelius - very powerful, steep learning curve, costs $, but produces great looking music.

Sam

Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720130
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Sibelius and Finale have been the top dogs for many years, and are now joined by Dorico. Capable of almost any notations needs and all running around $600, if you need them, they're there.

If you have more modest needs (or budget) you might consider Notion ($150). Limited, but very slick in what it does. Overture is another contender, especially if you want to control playback.

There are probably things for MAC that I have no knowledge of. I hate the way MuseScore looks, so never spent much time with it, plus it doesn't have much for playback.

I think all of the above have demo version available, so easy to try them all out.


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720134
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I use Muse Score. I created a Note on my Notes App with the 'shortcuts' so I don't have to keep looking them up, such as how to change direction of stem or raise a note by an octave. It is not that simple but it is powerful. I also created templates with spacing I like (I prefer smaller systems, fewer pages).


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720157
03/09/18 06:35 PM
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Just been writing another song out in "Flat"; it's getting better as I go along and I printed a copy out earlier of one I finished yesterday.
Couldn't ask for more. Just working on the shortcuts now; they're not all listed, but I'm finding out by trial and error. For instance, to flatten a selected note, you press "minus" key; to sharpen it, the "plus" one.


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720165
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I bought Sibelius First for $100 and I do my own score. It's easy to use and very intuitive. I rewrite sheet music so I can transpose or add note or chord symbol. I also do lead sheet.

I tried Lilypond, it's free and very powerful but hard to understand.

Serge



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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: Serge88] #2720890
03/13/18 03:01 PM
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Here's the result. Still one or two things to learn, but I'm happy for now. And the job's getting done.

https://flat.io/score/5aa136efbb0c80329207c142-broken-elevator


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: peterws] #2720960
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I think 600.00 is just too much money to pay for notation software.
I've been using Finale Print Music for a very long time...got it for 60.00 in 2003.
Wrote my whole Jazz Piano Voicings book using that and MS Word.
Print Music is still available (119.00 now) but only for PC.
Works great for piano music.


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Re: For anybody into notation . . . . [Re: Rob Mullins] #2721040
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Originally Posted by Rob Mullins
I think 600.00 is just too much money to pay for notation software.


I think that if you buy the full Sibelius product -- which is, indeed, very expensive -- a lot of what you pay goes on the sound generation capabilities; it has a colossal instrument sample library. It also has score scanning and audio recognition capabilites. I think you get a reasonable amount for your money, although it's not good value if all you want is a notation editor.


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