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Roland FP-30 MIDI #2719764
03/08/18 12:21 AM
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For those of you who haven't seen my previous thread, I'm thinking about returning my Yamaha P45 because as it turns out it seems to have a gimped MIDI output (cannot reach the full 8-bit velocity scale).

Now, the dealer has Yamaha, Casio and Roland in this price range. Considering I really don't like Casio's key action the remaining option would be the Roland FP-30. I've tried the action on more expensive Roland models, can't remember which, and they were nice indeed. Hopefully the FP-30 can deliver in this regard as well.

The big question, however, is if the FP-30 outputs a full 8-bit range of velocity? Anyone here who can confirm this?

Also, are there any issues I should be aware of before proceeding?

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Re: Roland FP-30 MIDI [Re: Gregow] #2719843
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I suppose you mean the full 7bits velocity scale.

A note-on velocity is typically between 1 and 127. (0 mean note-off)


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Re: Roland FP-30 MIDI [Re: Gregow] #2719865
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Ah yes, I blame a momentary lapse of powers of two. smile

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The FP-30 supports “note-off” plus 1-127. This is the same for the current keyboards in the Roland FP and RD series.


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Re: Roland FP-30 MIDI [Re: Gregow] #2719904
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That's what they all say in the documentation. In practice, they can apparently have a severely gimped range. Like Yamaha who seem to think that this 80's technology, simple enough to build yourself, is a bit too high tech so can't play the full range.

Casio and many others seem to do the same thing. Roland I don't know.

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I can vouch for the Roland keyboards I mentioned above, because I tested them with Pianoteq.


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Re: Roland FP-30 MIDI [Re: Gregow] #2719918
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That's great! Did they play well throughout the whole range from ppp to fff without any significant edits to the velocity curve?

Just to make things more difficult, I went to a music shop to try the FP-30 today:

At first I did not like it at all. The keys felt too light and mushy (I have no idea how some people find the action to be heavy). As has been mentioned by some reviewers there was also a bit of sideways play/wobble to the keys, but I did not find it to be an issue - it never bothered me.

After play (or more accurately, making noise) for a while I was starting to like it more and more. One thing I noticed though was that I sometimes missed notes. Like playing a scale and there could be one or two missing notes, though I actually hit the key.

Now, this action allowed me to play very soft and it had a wider dynamic range than my Yamaha, so I thought maybe it was my playing that was at fault.

Figured I had to try some real acoustic pianos as reference (it was a very long time ago I played one). I went on ahead to a Yamaha Piano Center.

First grand I touched was more like the Roland. Felt a little soft and mushy at first, some key wobble, and I had to be a bit more precise to get the notes to sound and the desired level.
Went on with some other grands and uprights. They all felt tighter, though different among themselves.

Finally did a comparison with a P45. The action on the P45 was actually very similar to many of their acoustic pianos. Surprisingly so, in fact. Especially considering how many don't like the GHS action. In my opinion, after some A-B testing, Yamaha did an excellent job with the actions in their digital pianos (GHS to GH3x).

Compared to the Roland, Yamaha's action feels tighter and more distinct. The Yamaha is also faster with repeating notes.

Now the thing is, my preference is towards the Yamaha. Maybe the Roland would grow on me, given some more time, but I don't know.


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