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Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? #2699450
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Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579? Opinions?

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Hi Mac. I have no experience or opinion, however, I see Amazon has the HD579 for $99 right now if you did not catch that already. Great deal and low risk at that price if you pull the trigger.

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I bought a pair recently, for a reduced £70 rather than the £170 they're mostly listed for (by the looks of it they're now down to £61 on argos if anyone in the UK is interested).

I'm not really one for spending loads on such things so don't have any 650s etc to compare with but they seem fine to me. Nothing in the frequency range stands out badly, they're comfortable to listen to (in terms of the sound not being tiring) for long periods and work well with my cs8.

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The Sennheiser folks, using a tactic popular with other consumer goods makers, recycle the 5-series headphones in a baffling number of iterations to confuse the consumer.

I know these 5-series headphones are well liked and very popular here for digitial piano use. For listening to classical music or Jazz these are not my favourites. YMMV.

Basically the 5-series are the same around-ear headphone with some minor tweaks (e.g. color, metal grille, additional short cables & adapters, inline mic, added "foam tape","exclusive" Amazon model, etc.). The two closed end models have modified drivers.

I think this table gives a reasonable idea of what Senn is selling although it is not complete (USD list prices)

559_______$99__Open__50Ω_108dB_1cable
569_______$179_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables&Mic
579_______$199_Open__50Ω_106dB_1cable&3.5mm adapter
599_______$249_Open__50Ω_106dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

_"Amazon edition or factory website only"
598CS_____$249_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables
598SR_____$249_Open__50Ω_112dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

Some of the lower-priced models have a small strip of foam tape to "boost bass" and "mess up higher fq". That foam tape was included in the 559 and 579 but excluded from the 599. Just remove the 3cm tape for a free "upgrade":

https://www.headfonia.com/sennheisers-new-hd558-and-hd598/3/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-foam-mod-lives-on-the-sennheiser-hd-5x9-lineup.853644/

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Still hoping for someone to offer an opinion about his HD579.
I ask because I had this on my Christmas wish list. (No one bought it for me, though I did get a nice, new piano bench.)
So I'm on the hook to buy new phones on my own (to replace the Beyers that my daughter bought for me as a Christmas gift in 2009).

Prior to getting the Beyers I had a bad experience with the HD555 phones.
I bought a pair from B&H, and they blew up on day one.
I bought another pair from Amazon, and they blew up on day one.
Not a good introduction to Sennheiser.
So I'm leery of buying the HD579 ... at least until I hear something good from a current owner.

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Originally Posted by Bambers
I bought a pair recently,

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don't have any 650s etc to compare with but they seem fine to me. Nothing in the frequency range stands out badly, they're comfortable to listen to (in terms of the sound not being tiring) for long periods and work well with my cs8.


^ ?

Also if it's an item of concern they have yet to blow up on me though I've only had them a few weeks. They seem fairly well built from an initial impression though.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I had a bad experience with the HD555 phones.
I bought a pair from B&H, and they blew up on day one.
I bought another pair from Amazon, and they blew up on day one.


This is a shocking image and a dispiriting story. By the rules of probability, you have taken on the role of unlucky recipient for the rest of us. The chances of anyone else getting a pair of defective Sennheiser headphones is reduced much nearer to zero.


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Yes, you can thank me for sucking up all the defective units, leaving the good ones for you! smile

Here's what happened:
The first pair arrived and they worked fine. But after about a day I was getting buzzing sounds from one earpiece.
It's as though the diaphragm had become damaged.
Same exact story for the second pair.
What would cause this? Dunno. But a few months later I got a pair of Beyers and I've never had a lick of trouble with them.

The thin foam lining over the drivers finally deteriorated after eight years, so I removed those. Not a real problem.
I don't "really" need a new pair. But with all the discussion here about phones I thought maybe I'd find something better than this DTX-990.

The Senn 579 must be a wall flower. No one here seems to have a pair, and I see little mention of them elsewhere. But at $100 they're right in my price range. I can't see spending $300 for the next-step better range of phones ... not to mention the extra $100 for the headphone amp needed to drive them.

It just occurred to me that I've not checked in at Head Fi for a while. A long while. Maybe someone there has something to say about these 579s.

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Follow-up ...

So off I went to Head Fi. I guess I've forgotten just how useless these headphone reviews are. Sigh.

I found a thread on the new Sennheiser phoness (new as of a year ago) ... What exactly do these statements mean?

"... for me it's clear that the HD599 has more resolving power, where the HD598 in comparison is more confused."
Can headphones be "confused"? Perhaps the reviewer is confused.

"... to me it seems an important fine tuning of the HD598, to a "classier" and overall better sound."
Can headphones be "classy"? Really? If they can, then what does it mean?

"Definitely the HD579 is a good headphones though I haven't heard it myself ..."
Yes, they're better ... even though I've never tried one! frown

So I found nothing useful there. All that's left for me is to try some phones for myself.
And yet there's no opportunity to try-before-you-buy. It's no different today than it was last time I went looking in 2008. Sad.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac

The Senn 579 must be a wall flower. No one here seems to have a pair, and I see little mention of them elsewhere.


Not entirely sure if you've previously blocked me or just plain ignoring me but I've said twice I have these headphones! crazy

Having tried them in a few other devices I will expand the 'they're fine' to the mid treble (3-7kHz) is a bit high, how much so seems to depends on the device, it's a bit on my piano, a lot on a tablet and not at all on my phone.

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Sorry, I seem to have overlooked your post.

I see now that you said "nothing in the frequency range stands out badly". Can you add to that?
Are they bass-heavy, or bass-weak?
Are they louder or softer than other phones you've owned?
Anything else?

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I have listened to classical and jazz music via a few of the lower cost 5-series headphones.

I suppose the popularity of this headphone here speaks to its comfort, sensitivity and fq response for digital piano or we would see more complaints.

To my ears, the lower-cost 5-series sounded a bit bland and I found the treble roll-off produced a slightly muffled sound. I found them slightly bass weak partly owing to smaller 40mm drivers & open backed design. I thought they were fairly comfortable; the build quality seemed good for a $99 headphone but the HD650 is built to a much better standard obviously. The 5-series is quite sensitive and I found works fine with the small headphone amps in an iPhone.

As noted above, the 559, 579, 598SR and 599 are essentially the same headphone with minor tweaks (e.g. colors, more cables). I would buy based on price.

If you remove the foamy tape inside the ear cups, the cheaper headphones reportedly replicate the sound of the 599 (which don't have the foamy tape). Removing the foamy tape reportedly reduces bass, boosts higher fqs, "improves imaging" lol. You could also add some foam to boost bass I supose...

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I was leaning heavily toward the 579 ...
$100 HD579 at Amazon

And then I found these ...
$225 HD598 Special Edition
$130 HD598 SR (described as a newer version of the 598 ... but at about half the price)
$199 HD599

What exactly differentiates among the 579, 598, 598 SR, and 599?
Is it nothing more than that foam strip found in the lower models?
And you just remove that foam to make the cheaper model sound just like the more expensive one?

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In another thread Charles Cohen mentions that the HD598 SR is offered at $109 CAD on Amazon Canada... roughly equivalent to $86 USD.
Whereas Amazon US has it at $130 USD.

I've already noted that the model differentiation is hard to navigate.

And now I see that pricing is getting crazy.
Perhaps this is a clear-out-the-stock-after-Christmas fiesta?
Or maybe it's a sign that I should wait a while until the market settles down?

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The SR is black, open back. I have it and I like it. I would love to try the 650 but for the time being the 598 fulfills my needs well and it souds much better than the AKG 271 I was using before (less bass but still OK for me).

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Mac, I received a pair of HD-579's as a Christmas gift. I haven't used them much but I noticed that they sound softer than my Sony MDR-7506. They're comfortable and appear well made but I prefer the Sony's.
However, with years of gunfire and loud machinery, my 70 year old ears probably aren't the best judge of audio quality.

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Mac, I bought the HD579 cans from Amazon for $99.

First, I’m of the opinion that most people’s opinions of headphones and speakers is coloured by other headphones and speakers they’ve heard or own.

For me, a great pair of high-end cans would work like this: I’m at a recording studio, or concert hall. The musicians play and I listen. The recording engineer has amazingly made a completely neutral system. He plays back what I just heard through the headphones and it sounds exactly the same as it sounded live a moment before. A perfectly flat response.

Almost no one has formed an opinion of their headphones with access to the live performance with which to compare. So impressions, in my opinion, are made relative to other reproductive devices (speakers, cans, earbuds, etc.).

I have not used my HD579s to listen to stereo recordings. I bought them solely to use whilst playing my Clavinova with my wife asleep. I’ve attempted A/B tests (mostly in the middle octaves) where I played through the Clavinova’s speakers and then played the same notes through the 579s with respective volumes set to where they sounded the same. I do not remember if I tried this at the extremes of the scale (low base or high treble). If this is important to you I can endeavour to check tonight. I did not notice any roll-off in the range I did test. To my ear the 579s sounded the same as my Clavinova’s speakers. Whereas other cans I have sound subtly different.

If you’re looking for good cans for your digital piano at a great price I don’t think you can go wrong. If you have an excellent stereo and headphone amp, fine classical recordings, and a preconceived notion of how the music should sound, I cannot say whether these will satisfy you.

I hope this helps.

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Thanks Agent88. That helps.

And please say hello to agents 86 and 99. smile

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Sorry, I seem to have overlooked your post.

I see now that you said "nothing in the frequency range stands out badly". Can you add to that?
Are they bass-heavy, or bass-weak?
Are they louder or softer than other phones you've owned?
Anything else?


Pretty neutral really, as I mentioned later the lower/mid treble (3-7khz) is a little high, I didn't notice at first as on the piano this only really makes the very top octave a bit louder than it probably should be, it's more noticeable with something like a tone wheel organ sound (not that I ever use that normally).

They're plenty loud enough on the piano and phone but my tablet struggles a bit with them which might also explain why the tablet shows the treble issue far more than anything else.

I've not bothered trying the foam mod on them which apparently reduces this, given I'm only going to be using them with the piano for the foreseeable future I may not try it any time soon unless I get really bored.

They are, unsurprisingly, vastly better than the closed back cheapo cans that came 'free' with the piano which were particularly harsh on the treble to the point of being quite uncomfortable to listen to for any period of time.

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I think I'm sold. Thanks.

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Well, I'm back on track with the HD579.

Santa didn't bring one, but I got a pair today for my birthday.

I've spent about half an hour with them ... and they're VERY different from my Beyer DTX900.

The sound is less edgy. And the highs are not as pronounced.
They're a bit bass heavy, but the EQ takes care of that.

It's a bit too early to render judgement.
I'm also wondering whether there's any truth to that "break-in" myth. Time will tell.

More later.

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I suppose you could do the tape removal mod to reduce bass on the HD579. Some say that is the difference with the HD599 lol. There are some threads elsewhere if you want to dig deeper. . .

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I thought that removing the tape increased the bass response.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I thought that removing the tape increased the bass response.


Well, it changes bass response although I suppose results depend on who is listening lol

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-foam-mod-lives-on-the-sennheiser-hd-5x9-lineup.853644/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/is-the-sennheiser-hd-558-mod-worth-it.615531/

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
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In the audiophile community they are well thought of.


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My HD-558 which I had since December 2015 (so about 26 months old) started acting up with a loose contact (I assume) that sometimes causes the left speaker to go quieter or even totally mute. Seeing that they are out of warranty just so, I decided to look for new headphones.
(And, aehm blush, I likely have voided the warranty anyway, because I removed the foam from the cups about a year ago - who knows maybe back then I damaged something that now, a year later, manifests in the loose contact? Unlikely that it manifests so late, but possible... Oh, and BTW, I don't think it was worth the effort. I doubt I ever heard a difference with/without the foam.)

Amazon Germany currently has a good price for the HD-599 (actually 2€ cheaper than the HD-579!) so I ordered those. They should arrive tomorrow, and I am curious to see if I can hear any difference to the 558s (I'm not exactly an audiophile who can hear nuances in difference...). Well, and I'll have to get used to the old-person-listening-to-classic-music color scheme... wink

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Looking forward to hearing those impressions, JoBert! I'm thinking that maybe it's time to get some serious headphones as well (598sr / se, 599 or others) but I'm not sure where to start and what's a good option for piano playing (main use) and listening to classical, jazz (mainly vocal).

I'm also wondering if the difference from my cheap Samson SR850 (Superlux HD668b clone) is huge or just big. And where does the law of diminishing returns start to kick in (would the Hd660 or HD 700 - found them for a good price used - be significantly better than the 599 or only slightly so?).

Lastly, I'm not sure what prices I should expect on black Friday on amazon.de and other sites when it comes to headphones, since I never looked for headphones sales. Any idea, anyone?

Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718496
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I had only a short time with these phones yesterday, but today about two hours. And they're fantastic. Better today than yesterday.

They seemed too mellow yesterday, heavy in the bass and short in the highs. But not so much today.

More importantly the pianos sound much better. The edginess of the old Beyers is gone. And the dynamics here are better, too.

And they were no more expensive than the Beyers were nine years ago.

Little did I realize during these past many years just what I'd been missing.

Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718768
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I've now had my HD-599 for a day and are very satisfied (still some getting used to the color though).

However, I'm happy I bought them because my HD-558 became faulty and not because I desired to upgrade to better headphones. Because frankly, I'm hard pressed to hear a difference between the two (as said, I'm no audiophile who is trained to hear the slightest nuances). Since my 558 are still mostly working (have to give the left cup a good whack every now and then), I was able to compare the two directly. I think that I can hear a slight difference in the bass region, the 599 being a bit smoother, or, depending on your taste, mushier. But we are talking nuances here. So if I had bought the 599 to upgrade my 558, I would be severely disappointed that I can't hear any real difference.

I assume that the 579 are also similar. I didn't get them because they were actually 2€ more than the 599s at Amazon, but anyone who gets the 579 for reasons of price or even color, does imo not have to lose any sleep over not having bought the 599. To be honest, I'm now wondering if I wouldn't have been equally happy (=not hearing a difference) with the 559, which are currently at only ~57% of the price of the 579/599.

Disclaimer: I only tested them directly with my NV10. It is possible that with your piano, or for listening to music, or simply for someone with a better ear, there are more noticeable differences.

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