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Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2700100
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Well, I'm back on track with the HD579.

Santa didn't bring one, but I got a pair today for my birthday.

I've spent about half an hour with them ... and they're VERY different from my Beyer DTX900.

The sound is less edgy. And the highs are not as pronounced.
They're a bit bass heavy, but the EQ takes care of that.

It's a bit too early to render judgement.
I'm also wondering whether there's any truth to that "break-in" myth. Time will tell.

More later.

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I suppose you could do the tape removal mod to reduce bass on the HD579. Some say that is the difference with the HD599 lol. There are some threads elsewhere if you want to dig deeper. . .

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I thought that removing the tape increased the bass response.

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Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718223
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I thought that removing the tape increased the bass response.


Well, it changes bass response although I suppose results depend on who is listening lol

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-foam-mod-lives-on-the-sennheiser-hd-5x9-lineup.853644/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/is-the-sennheiser-hd-558-mod-worth-it.615531/

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579? Opinions?


In the audiophile community they are well thought of.


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Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718293
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My HD-558 which I had since December 2015 (so about 26 months old) started acting up with a loose contact (I assume) that sometimes causes the left speaker to go quieter or even totally mute. Seeing that they are out of warranty just so, I decided to look for new headphones.
(And, aehm blush, I likely have voided the warranty anyway, because I removed the foam from the cups about a year ago - who knows maybe back then I damaged something that now, a year later, manifests in the loose contact? Unlikely that it manifests so late, but possible... Oh, and BTW, I don't think it was worth the effort. I doubt I ever heard a difference with/without the foam.)

Amazon Germany currently has a good price for the HD-599 (actually 2€ cheaper than the HD-579!) so I ordered those. They should arrive tomorrow, and I am curious to see if I can hear any difference to the 558s (I'm not exactly an audiophile who can hear nuances in difference...). Well, and I'll have to get used to the old-person-listening-to-classic-music color scheme... wink

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Looking forward to hearing those impressions, JoBert! I'm thinking that maybe it's time to get some serious headphones as well (598sr / se, 599 or others) but I'm not sure where to start and what's a good option for piano playing (main use) and listening to classical, jazz (mainly vocal).

I'm also wondering if the difference from my cheap Samson SR850 (Superlux HD668b clone) is huge or just big. And where does the law of diminishing returns start to kick in (would the Hd660 or HD 700 - found them for a good price used - be significantly better than the 599 or only slightly so?).

Lastly, I'm not sure what prices I should expect on black Friday on amazon.de and other sites when it comes to headphones, since I never looked for headphones sales. Any idea, anyone?

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I had only a short time with these phones yesterday, but today about two hours. And they're fantastic. Better today than yesterday.

They seemed too mellow yesterday, heavy in the bass and short in the highs. But not so much today.

More importantly the pianos sound much better. The edginess of the old Beyers is gone. And the dynamics here are better, too.

And they were no more expensive than the Beyers were nine years ago.

Little did I realize during these past many years just what I'd been missing.

Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718768
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I've now had my HD-599 for a day and are very satisfied (still some getting used to the color though).

However, I'm happy I bought them because my HD-558 became faulty and not because I desired to upgrade to better headphones. Because frankly, I'm hard pressed to hear a difference between the two (as said, I'm no audiophile who is trained to hear the slightest nuances). Since my 558 are still mostly working (have to give the left cup a good whack every now and then), I was able to compare the two directly. I think that I can hear a slight difference in the bass region, the 599 being a bit smoother, or, depending on your taste, mushier. But we are talking nuances here. So if I had bought the 599 to upgrade my 558, I would be severely disappointed that I can't hear any real difference.

I assume that the 579 are also similar. I didn't get them because they were actually 2€ more than the 599s at Amazon, but anyone who gets the 579 for reasons of price or even color, does imo not have to lose any sleep over not having bought the 599. To be honest, I'm now wondering if I wouldn't have been equally happy (=not hearing a difference) with the 559, which are currently at only ~57% of the price of the 579/599.

Disclaimer: I only tested them directly with my NV10. It is possible that with your piano, or for listening to music, or simply for someone with a better ear, there are more noticeable differences.

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Re: Does anyone use the Sennheiser HD-579 ? [Re: MacMacMac] #2718791
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I bought the 598's 2 1/2 years ago and the HD 990 Pro's (250-ohm) a year after that. For comfort you can't beat the 598's. The sound is clear but too loud on the piano. I have to decrease the volume so much that I lose the clear tone of the piano. So I often use the Beyer's instead because I can turn the volume up to about half way. However, the tone of the Beyer's, maybe because of the high impedance, is not as pure as the 50-ohm 598's. Neither of them sound like the piano without head phones.


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By the way, I don't know if one can tell anything regarding these head phones going by the price. I paid $150 for the 598's in 2015, and $150 for the Beyer's in 2016. Today Amazon has them for $259, and $179 respectively.


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Originally Posted by TomLC
I bought the 598's 2 1/2 years ago and the HD 990 Pro's (250-ohm) a year after that. For comfort you can't beat the 598's. The sound is clear but too loud on the piano. I have to decrease the volume so much that I lose the clear tone of the piano.


Do you mean that you like the HD598 sound but only when it is played very (too) loudly? Is that the same when you use the headphone with your phone, computer, stereo system?

I don't think this is an impedance issue. Although depending on how Onkyo designed the headphone amp, there are cases where it might sound better at higher volumes (e.g. cheap pots or poorly implemented digital attenuation). Onkyo engineers some superb headphone amps & players (for wealthy Asian markets) so I bet the Novus headphone system is from the same team.

Maybe you just don't like the HD598 sound. I find it rather bland but sounds a bit better at high volumes. But everything sounds better at high volumes lol.

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So I often use the Beyer's instead because I can turn the volume up to about half way. However, the tone of the Beyer's, maybe because of the high impedance, is not as pure as the 50-ohm 598's.


Maybe you just don't like the HD990 sound either.

Originally Posted by TomLC
Neither of them sound like the piano without head phones.


Or a real analogue piano...

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Let me try to restate that: With volume at 50% on the NV10, the 598's are way to loud. I have to turn it down to 1/4-1/3rd. This affects the sound.
The 990's, with volume at 50%, are not too loud. However, they do not produce a pure, clear, piano tone at that volume level. I need to turn the volume up to get a good tone. So, that is also too loud. IMHO of course.

Anyway, they are both good phones. (They work fine on a computer, iPod, etc. No issue, just turn the volume up for the 990's.) I would like to see someone like Onkyo or Kawai develop mid/high end headphones specific to digital pianos. As now I am acting on the advice of an amateur with no experience in the field. That would be me....


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Headphones are a bit hit-or-miss. You need decent quality headphones, amp, and source material to start. The headphones and amp need to reasonably "match." And each person hears differently.

So a bit of trial and error is inevitable. . .

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Originally Posted by TomLC
Let me try to restate that: With volume at 50% on the NV10, the 598's are way to loud. I have to turn it down to 1/4-1/3rd. This affects the sound.

That surprises me, because I have my 599 (and previously the 558) at almost exactly 50% (only a tiny bit below). And I wasn't aware of any premature hearing loss on my side. smile
Is it possible that you have the "Phones Volume" set to "High" in the "Sound Settings" menu?
Or asked in a different way: Where do you have the volume knob when playing through speakers? Mine is at about the 2 o'clock position (and the "Speaker Volume" in the menu at "Normal") as that is about the volume of a smaller grand, imo, and that volume through speakers is about the same as 50% through the 599.

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Originally Posted by JoBert
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Is it possible that you have the "Phones Volume" set to "High" in the "Sound Settings" menu?
Or asked in a different way: Where do you have the volume knob when playing through speakers? Mine is at about the 2 o'clock position (and the "Speaker Volume" in the menu at "Normal") as that is about the volume of a smaller grand, imo, and that volume through speakers is about the same as 50% through the 599.


Hi JoBert. I am familiar with the settings. I guess I am just sensitive to the sound going directly into my ears though headphones. With or without, I usually use the SK5 sound with the headboard open 1, speakers on low, and reverb on "Small room". Sort of pretending I am playing a smaller grand in my home. So it must just be my preference for less loud music. (My age maybe?)


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