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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717459
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Hmm.. Regarding amps.. Well let me see I have a cheap 8 year old laptop, let me try them on it. Let's see on my Toshiba Portege from long ago, volume setting's maxed, Windows Media Player playing Vaughn Williams.. it's just a little loud for standard listening levels at maximum volume.

Don't know how good quality your laptop's headphones out are, that'll affect the quality too. These HD600's are great sounding if you give 'em great sound. I have them plugged into my Denon receiver, they sound better there than out of my emergency radio. smile

I use them as a reference and that was part of my excuse for spending that amount on headphones in the first place. I have my normal pretty good listening JBL Loft's otherwise, I use Lofts because they're very easy on the ears for longer listening, listener fatigue is pretty much a non-factor. Yes, if you want an idea of what other people are hearing.. I think listen to them in the car, and on cheapie speakers. I'm saving up for some Magnepan's but I don't imagine most folks will have them or listen to what I compose on them. .

Haha! Those Jankos sure are something aren't they? I figure someday someone'll make a midi keyboard out of them so they'll be more easily played than behind the museum ropes! I know there's a prototype out there somewhere. And I think some fellows were working on some sort of add on you could stick on a regular piano.

Yes I'd like to play one at least once, along with Lippens, and some other rarities. I bet you saw a lot of interesting pianos on your tour! Is there a thread about it you can point me at?


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717520
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Puremusic,

Thank you for your feedback .

I'm trying to find headphones that will do justice to the sounds PianoTeq can produce. They don't have to be Sennheiser, I chose that one because the owner of a recording studio where I tune pianos uses one and loves it. Of course in his case he is professionally mixing.

I should note here that even though PianoTeq is a paying advertiser with Piano World my focus on their product is because I liked what I heard and I now own a studio copy.

I've tried playing through my PA system, my Hartke Amp, and the speakers PianoDisc provides. None of them do justice to the sound. I did hear the output through a good pair of speakers a friend brought over and the difference was amazing!

Re: European Piano Makers Tour of 2011
Yes we saw an amazing collection of pianos, and got to play quite a few. The museum with the Janko also had a double keyboard piano, a piano with a full pedal board, and a Cristofori. The Cristofori was behind glass, I genuflected in front of it :-)

You can see lots of pictures and read some stories here:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1690750/European_Piano_Tour_-_See_the_.html

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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717701
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The HD660s are supposed to be better than the HD650 / HD600 and seem to be easier to drive. A good review can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KvRJtcvSLs

I'm really happy with my HD650. For listening to music / PC, I have a Schiit DAC & AMP combo (http://www.schiit.com/) since my built-in PC out isn't too great. They also sound great with my Kawai CA98. Unfortunately I don't use PianoTeq.

Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: hello world] #2717870
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I was also going to buy the (very old) HD600, but in the end went with the HD598. Why? Not for the lower price (I have 2 pairs, bought $100 each, while new they were more like 150 or 200 dollars), but for the comfort and freedom to use them without an amp... The sound of the HD600 is better but only slightly better, while the soundstage in the HD598 is clearly better. And they are more comfortable than the HD600...No headphone under $150 beats them... (I don't know how they compare to the new and more expensive HD599)


Originally Posted by hello world
The HD660s are supposed to be better than the HD650 / HD600 and seem to be easier to drive. A good review can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KvRJtcvSLs

I'm really happy with my HD650. For listening to music / PC, I have a Schiit DAC & AMP combo (http://www.schiit.com/) since my built-in PC out isn't too great. They also sound great with my Kawai CA98. Unfortunately I don't use PianoTeq.


They probably are but only marginally. Some famous reviewers were disappointed... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t13YuPVOBg And they are not comfortable due to their strong clamp...
I would avoid the more colored HD650 for piano playing...
If one day I upgrade it would be something like the HD800s (definitely not the HD800) or the electrostatic staxx L700, but that's a very expensive upgrade with all the amps, energizers etc. Well over $2000, let alone the hassle, which seems too much for a still relatively small upgrade (once you go beyond a level like that of the HD598, it's the law of diminishing returns...)


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717939
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A quick thanks for this thread! I was using my old Sennheiser HD 280's with my new Clavinova, was disappointed with the sound, and I was quick to blame the Clavinova and worried that I didn't like the model I got. Because of this thread I picked up the HD 600's, thinking I'd just return them if I didn't spot a real difference. The difference was *huge*: it actually sounds like a piano now, no longer tinny (and even a little painful, oy) in the mid range. I *love* them.

Re: amplification, for connecting directly to a DP I just need to turn the volume up slightly higher than I would with the other headphones. I can imagine needing (or just wanting) an amp with a laptop or some other outputs.

I can imagine even more expensive headphones being even better for music in general, though maybe not much better for DPs. Amazon has the HD600 for $286 and the HD660S for $499, so I think I'll stand. smile


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717946
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Some good news, my Roland FP-90 arrived in the mail today. Great piano, I am a very happy fellow tonight. The Lord is gracious.

Interestingly enough I tried out my HD-600's on it. The volume was too low! Suddenly I needed an amp! Well there's the receiver.. Wait.. I had put the headphones in the line out rather than the headphone out at the front of the piano. They worked fine in the right outlet. smile

Speakers on the Roland FP-90 aren't bad at all either, and I haven't even burned them in yet.


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: puremusic] #2717975
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Originally Posted by puremusic
Some good news, my Roland FP-90 arrived in the mail today. Great piano, I am a very happy fellow tonight. The Lord is gracious.

Interestingly enough I tried out my HD-600's on it. The volume was too low! Suddenly I needed an amp! Well there's the receiver.. Wait.. I had put the headphones in the line out rather than the headphone out at the front of the piano. They worked fine in the right outlet. smile

Speakers on the Roland FP-90 aren't bad at all either, and I haven't even burned them in yet.


Headphone amps are expensive for what they are, and one's decent enough to power 300 ohms are way over the top in cost (as much as the headphones). If you don't already have a DAC or Audiointerface, you might want to consider buying one of those that comes with a headphone amp. That way, you'll get more tech for your money.


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717979
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That's good advice. I had a Focusrite briefly, but maybe I got a bad copy.. audio quality just wasn't there. Lots of people seem to like them a lot so I'm guessing it was a bad copy. Being able to plug in the headphones and still use speakers at the same time would've made it more convenient than my receiver if it'd been decent.

I'm saving up for an RME or a MOTU, and considering what I just bought, that's not going to happen for awhile. Glad I don't need one urgently.


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Piano World] #2717993
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The new HD660 is an interesting prospect especially as it has lower resistance than either the 600 or 650 and therefore should be much easier to drive. However I've read that the difference is small - rated at one dB. (Although what that means in practice, I admit I don't know).

But this review makes me think twice about the new 660 https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sennheiser-hd-660-s-over-ear-open-headphones-page-2

I'm a fairly happy owner of the HD598. I also use other phones for recording/mixing, though, as the HD598 are a little too smooth, to the point of lacking crisp presence. I'm not sure if any of the three 6xx series would solve that problem, but so many people here, and elsewhere, regard the 650 as true reference phones. To get that for the Massdrop price $199 plus import taxes is tempting.


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: Digitalguy] #2717998
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Digitalguy!

Funny how two people can come to so different conclusions. I returned my 598 directly after comparing it with HD 650, because of the veil. Can’t agree with your description of the soundstage either. Furthermore I think Sennheiser HD 650 is perfect for my DP. Big difference compared to the 598. Worth every Swedish Crown.

I skipped the 600 because I found the 650 to be superior. And I don’t need an amp to drive them.

Perhaps this depends on you plugging in on a Roland and I use it with my Yamaha CVP 709.

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Originally Posted by tangothomas
Digitalguy!

Funny how two people can come to so different conclusions.


Not with headphones.
Previous headphone experiences are going to colour ones perception of 'what is good'.


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Re: Sennheiser HD 600 Headphones? [Re: tangothomas] #2718168
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Originally Posted by tangothomas
Digitalguy!

Funny how two people can come to so different conclusions. I returned my 598 directly after comparing it with HD 650, because of the veil. Can’t agree with your description of the soundstage either. Furthermore I think Sennheiser HD 650 is perfect for my DP. Big difference compared to the 598. Worth every Swedish Crown.

I skipped the 600 because I found the 650 to be superior. And I don’t need an amp to drive them.

Perhaps this depends on you plugging in on a Roland and I use it with my Yamaha CVP 709.



I think it depends a lot on the piano you use. I could test several headphones at a music shop with the supernatural piano and the bass sounds (a bit too) boomy if the headphones are not neutral enough (and the 650 aren't...). Haven't tried with my virtual pianos, but all the headphones I have (HD598, Focal Spirit Pro, AKG and Shure) are pretty neutral.
As for not needing an amp, it depends on the piano... My Roland won't be able to power 600/650 adequately, but other pianos (including from Roland) do... And a laptop with pianoteq won't be able either... Personally I use a cheap amp, HA400, in order to have 4 headphones at the same time, each at it's ideal volume, but I doubt it would be enough for the 600/650...


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