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Schimmel current grands compared to generation 2000
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Schimmel used to have models around year 2000 with names like

CO-256 T
CC-213 T
SP-182 T
GP-169 T

where the prefix was an abbreviation for Concert Orchestra, Concert Chamber, Salon Professional, Global Professional,
and the suffix indicated style such as 'T' for Traditional or 'C' for Chippendale.

The current models made in Braunschweig includes the Konzert and Classic lines.

The current Konzert series is in what I believe is the 2nd generation already:
K-169 -> K175
K-213 -> K219 etc.

If you take the GP-169 T for example, does it compare more to what is now called the Classic serieres or the Konzert series?



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Re: Schimmel current grands compared to generation 2000
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Classic series. The Konzert series have the revised designs to accommodate the concert grand actions in all sizes. The prior Konzert series had the action designs split into two families, the 3 smaller grand sizes, and the 3 larger ones. You've got it right...


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Back in 2000, the GP169T was the first model released to be part of what became the Konzert series. The scale design of the current C169 is the same as the GP169 from 2000, but there were a few, more subtle, quality differences. Before the grand line was split into Konzert vs. Classic, you could have considered the material and build quality all "Konzert" as their production was not tiered. Schimmel made considerable efforts to improve their quality from the late 1980's up through the late 1990's, but by then, the quality was all exceptionally high.

Today, the design difference between the C169 and K175 is the longer keys in the action, but the large retail price difference also relates to a subtle, discernible quality difference. The GP169 would have been higher than the C169, though time, use and service history will all affect the current condition.

To try and explain better, when the Classic series was first introduced, the model C182 was brought back from the SP182 design. While still a very good piano overall, there was a significant drop in quality from the SP182 to the C182.

Note there were 2 CC213 models introduced in fairly rapid succession in the early 2000's. The first was an outstanding instrument, but the second was actually the K213 (an even better design), but was not introduced under that model name. It can get tricky.


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Re: Schimmel current grands compared to generation 2000
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Thanks for the feedback! I had tried a 2002 model Schimmel GP169T, and it sounded closer to the Konzert line than the Classic line, so now I know why.

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Interesting, I just bought a 2001 SP-182T. Do I understand correctly that this piano falls somewhere in between the current K and C series?

If that is correct would it be closer to the K then C or the other way around?

Thank you.

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