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Re: New grand, terrible acoustics
Retsacnal #2714927 02/16/18 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Reed
The point of Grand Obsession is that the Piano can sound one way on the showroom floor, and very different at home, and it may be the way it was prepped for display. In Grand Obsession, the piano was voiced in a way that sounded great, but didn't last more than a day or two.

It's been a while now since I read it, but wasn't the "solution" to have the guy from NY tune it, then record the tuning into tunelab (or some such application) so that local tuners could reproduce it.
Yes, the piano was tuned for the dealer with, if I remember correctly, a "Schubert tuning", so it was only when the piano was tuned by the tech who did that tuning that the buyer liked it again. I wonder why the dealer or tech didn't explain this to the buyer after she purchased it because the tuning was not the standard one she would get from another tech.

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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

That's typical of most pianos in most rooms. The piano bench is the worst seat in the house.


Sad but true. That's been the case with every piano I have played. The sound is better out in the room. I like my piano better when others play it ... regardless of their skill level. Because then I'm out in the room instead of at the bench.


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Re: New grand, terrible acoustics
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by Bill Reed
The point of Grand Obsession is that the Piano can sound one way on the showroom floor, and very different at home, and it may be the way it was prepped for display. In Grand Obsession, the piano was voiced in a way that sounded great, but didn't last more than a day or two.

It's been a while now since I read it, but wasn't the "solution" to have the guy from NY tune it, then record the tuning into tunelab (or some such application) so that local tuners could reproduce it.
Yes, the piano was tuned for the dealer with, if I remember correctly, a "Schubert tuning", so it was only when the piano was tuned by the tech who did that tuning that the buyer liked it again.

I don't recall the specific termperament either, but that's essentially how I remember it.

Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I wonder why the dealer or tech didn't explain this to the buyer after she purchased it because the tuning was not the standard one she would get from another tech.

That would have saved her a lot of time and trouble, but been a much less interesting book! wink ha



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Re: New grand, terrible acoustics
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Adrian,

I'm thinking that perhaps when you say the treble is "flat" it is the tuning stretch that is wrong for the inharmonicity of your grand. Also you ears might well be remembering the tuning of your digital which might well be better than the grand at this point in time.

Like others here I suggest that you get the piano tuned immediately, but not yet voiced, before you tweak your room anymore. Let your ears hear a beautiful tuning and again as was recommended play with the lid down.

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Try me! [just kidding.. whistle ]

But always wondering why I don't even meet about 70% of my customers anymore.

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Congratulations on your terrific piano! By any chance did you get it from Vandewinkels in Brussels? I lived there for six years and my technician from there was amazing.

Your technician may be able to help you with the sound and placement of the piano as well, but what you have done looks really nice to me!

All the best / Steve

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Wonder if anyone will try an Internet direct model for selling pianos?


Try me! [just kidding.. whistle ]


Haven't you heard about the guy who sells pianos from a truck?? smile

Originally Posted by Norbert

But always wondering why I don't even meet about 70% of my customers anymore.

Norbert wink


Norbert, your comment intrigued me - I am curious what you mean. Are you saying 70% of your customers are buying pianos without trying the pianos first themselves? Are these new or used piano buyers?

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It is amazing that the sound of a great piano is affected so much by the room. I had to add a lot of area rugs to my room to handle the D. It worked out great in my relatively small music room. As great as my piano sounds when I'm playing it, it sounds even better at a distance. So in other words it matters where in the room you are listening to it.

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Mmmmmmmmmmm, many people say my playing is better at a distance.


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Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve
Congratulations on your terrific piano! By any chance did you get it from Vandewinkels in Brussels? I lived there for six years and my technician from there was amazing.

Your technician may be able to help you with the sound and placement of the piano as well, but what you have done looks really nice to me!

All the best / Steve


Thank you for your kind words.

No, I came across his website, but never visited him. I had it delivered all the way from The Netherlands.

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It is amazing that the sound of a great piano is affected so much by the room. I had to add a lot of area rugs to my room to handle the D. It worked out great in my relatively small music room. As great as my piano sounds when I'm playing it, it sounds even better at a distance. So in other words it matters where in the room you are listening to it.


LJC, how big is your music room?


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Adrian its about 25X20 feet. With the area rugs and furniture to absorb some of the sound I can play with the lid fully open however it is too load for my wife unless the lid is down.

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