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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713086
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I know this may be getting down into the mundane nitty-gritty basics of matters here but I have two questions:

Can I safely assume that the USB connection running from interface to computer (carrying our highly prized and much sought after stereo signal) is a cable ending in the standard USB plug, which is thin, short and rectangular and which will only fit one way into a USB jack or slot on the computer? Just to dispel any lingering misconceptions...

Will multiple sizes and types of plugs fit into the input jacks (slots) on the back of that Behringer audio interface linked to by Charles above? I vaguely recall reading that somewhere...

Edited to ask a third question: is the far right plug (the big one) in JoBert's pic above a 1/4 inch plug?






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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713109
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Originally Posted by Handyman

Can I safely assume that the USB connection running from interface to computer (carrying our highly prized and much sought after stereo signal) is a cable ending in the standard USB plug, which is thin, short and rectangular and which will only fit one way into a USB jack or slot on the computer? Just to dispel any lingering misconceptions...

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Will multiple sizes and types of plugs fit into the input jacks (slots) on the back of that Behringer audio interface linked to by Charles above? I vaguely recall reading that somewhere...

I don't know this box, but from reading the various write-ups the input jacks are on the front. The back has the usb socket (for the other end of the cable that goes into your computer) and some (single channel?) outputs labelled L and R

The sockets on the front appear to be for input and are for multiple types.

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Edited to ask a third question: is the far right plug (the big one) in JoBert's pic above a 1/4 inch plug?


Yes - (I think) there are 6.3mm, 6.35mm and 1/4 inch plugs which are virtually the same size and all fit in the same socket. You can see from the picture that is 6.3 ish mm

Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713111
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Handyman - are you sure that the usb from your keyboard carries audio? Are you counting on that? Mine just carries midi data. Which works great with Pianoteq, but that's a different topic...

Sam

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Originally Posted by Sam S
Handyman - are you sure that the usb from your keyboard carries audio? Are you counting on that? Mine just carries midi data. Which works great with Pianoteq, but that's a different topic...

Sam


I think you are getting confused with where this topic has been. Is USB output from the piano is midi, so instead he is taking output from a Line Out port and putting into a Behringer Audio Interface, which is converting it to a USB signal and output from USB-B socket on the back. From there its going to his laptop as USB

Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Sam S] #2713220
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Sam - akc42 has it correct...the output from the DP is digital audio signals via standard audio cables to the interface - no MIDI involved (my DP does have MIDI jacks, but I'm staying away from them like they were infected with the plague!).


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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713297
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If you want to use something like Pianoteq, then you'll need to make use of those MIDI jacks laugh


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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713345
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What is Pianoteq (or don't I want to know)?


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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713362
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Originally Posted by Handyman
What is Pianoteq (or don't I want to know)?


Its software that runs on a computer which takes midi inputs and converts them to the sound of a piano and sends the output to the sound card (or output jack) on the computer. Generally you connect your digital keyboard to the computer so that it knows what notes (and how loud or soft) to play. Generally they also support pedals and model the effects of things like the dampers and hammer noise etc etc. The aim is to get as close to one of the quality grand pianos as possible.

Pianoteq is one program in the class of these programs, which you will see on here referred to as VSTs. There are long discussions in the "Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards" forum about these and which makes the best sound.

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713370
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Originally Posted by Handyman
What is Pianoteq (or don't I want to know)?


I love Pianoteq - and you can record with it - very simple.

I don't really use my keyboard/Pianoteq that often, since I have my old Bechstein to play on, but when I need to use it, it works great.

Sam

Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713387
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OK, thanks for the info - now, I'm not even going to ask how the final sound quality achieved via Pianoteq compares to that obtained thru the audio interface method discussed at length above, because if I find out it's generally superior I'm going to become highly conflicted again... laugh

Sam is scaring me with his "love" for this Pianoteq stuff...

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713397
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Originally Posted by Handyman
OK, thanks for the info - now, I'm not even going to ask how the final sound quality achieved via Pianoteq compares to that obtained thru the audio interface method discussed at length above, because if I find out it's generally superior I'm going to become highly conflicted again... laugh

Sam is scaring me with his "love" for this Pianoteq stuff...


Pianoteq will make your keyboard into a 9' Steinway - or choose from a bunch of other pianos. Your recordings will sound great...

Sam

Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713419
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I'm getting overwhelmed - but also so freakin' glad I came here to PW and started asking questions - you guys are really amazing!

Is Pianoteq a free download?

What is the real, safe site for that?

How about for Audacity?

A 9' Steinway?

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713425
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@Handyman Why can't you find these yourself - Google is you friend in this regard

Pianoteq https://www.pianoteq.com/try

Audacity https://www.audacityteam.org/

Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: akc42] #2713453
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Originally Posted by akc42
@Handyman Why can't you find these yourself - Google is you friend in this regard



akc42 - I can & did - just wanted verification of the exact site (among all the look-a-likes that pop up) so that I didn't download something that ate my laptop...

Thanks much!


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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713912
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Don't forget to listen to some of the demo recordings on the Pianoteq website.

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Sam S] #2713914
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Originally Posted by Sam S
If anyone would like to write up a new guide to recording, we can replace the one that is missing. Volunteers?

I use a Zoom H4n for recording. Then I transfer the file to my computer and edit and export to mp3 with Audacity.

Sam

Sam,

I too use a Zoom H4n and did use Audacity until in investigating serious problems after the Windows 10 Fall edition (1709) I found many Windows error reports citing Audacity dll files as the problem. The problem was Windows freezing and also mouse movement freezing. As a result I uninstalled Audacity and removed all reference to it in the Windows registry. The problem has gone.

I am looking for an alternative Windows based audio recording program.

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713946
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Google gave me these six options, when I searched for alternatives to Audacity. I haven't tried any of them, since Audacity works fine on my Windows 10 computer.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-awesome-alternatives-to-audacity-for-recording-and-editing-audio/

I have an old AudioDirector from Cyberlink, which I got as a bonus when I bought PowerDirector 12. Haven't used it many times, but at least I know it works. To buy it standalone, is crazy expensive, so I won't recommend you to do so.

If you're not uncomfortable at the command line, there's also FFMPEG, which always does it's job without bogging down the computer. There are some GUIs available for it, to make life easier, which I haven't tried. Actually, Audacity uses FFMPEG under the hood, but I doubt that's what's causing you problems.

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Re: The Latest in Recording Piano? [Re: Handyman] #2713949
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I'm using an old macbook, so no problems with Audacity...

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Just wanted to add, you can convert from WAV to MP3 in VLC Media Player, which most people have, I assume. It's very easy, just choose Convert/Save in the first menu, choose the file, and you're lead step by step. Just make sure you choose Audio - MP3 as profile, and change the parameters if needed, which you really don't need, as the default profile saves in 128 kb/s, 44.100Hz. The target file can be called anything, and saved anywhere, though it's better to choose the path wisely, so you know where it ends up.

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Theodor,

Thanks for the information and especially mentioning Audio Director which I forgot I have!

Here is one report although for a different Windows build:

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-insider-build-17063-causing-audio-issues-in-firefox-audacity

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