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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: MarkH13] #2705516
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Originally Posted by MarkH13


However - and it's a big however - the loud note issue is a little worse than I anticipated. Not only does it happen during fast trills, but also during certain other passages. It's a weird sensation - the key suddenly seems to lighten up (like you've 'bypassed' the mechanism) and a horrible loud noise emerges.

The problem seems to recur in specific places in specific pieces (e.g. the opening bars of the 3rd movement of K.310), so I think that the problem is triggered by a certain combination of key speed/weight.

Mark


Hi Mark,

I completely agree with what you said about the Nu1x being an amazing instrument, especially in terms of looks, feel, and sound. As I've said from the start, outside of the issue at hand, I think its an amazing machine.

What you mentioned about "the key suddenly seems to lighten up" is the same sensation I would feel as well. It is most definitely a weird sensation, as you put it, and really takes me out of the moment.

While at the piano store this past weekend with the owner, I played the Nu1, Nu1x, N1, N2, and N3 for over an hour, and it came down to this. I can play the N series pianos endlessly, and never worry about something unexpected happening. It plays, as intended, and sounds great. I unfortunately cannot say the same thing for the NU series pianos. There is a chance, even be it slim, that something will happen unexpectedly. And at this price point, I am NOT ok with that.

Thank you everyone for all of your feedback, and replies. One positive I can take from this experience, is I never knew about Pianoworld before this issue came up. If it wasn't for the NU1X and this problem, I would have never found this community.

Doug

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: spanishbuddha] #2705522
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
The NU1 is the perfect practice instrument. If you can master the key action, dynamics, legato, smoothness, trills, accents on arpeggios, acciaccaturas, .....etc.... both hands, your ‘performance’ on a grand or most mid to top range DPs c/should be flawless. It took me months to get used to the clunky action, after being spoiled on a mid range DP and my teachers grand, and I was set to replace mine, until my teacher visited, played on it and showed me the problems I had were my own and not the instrument.

It appears not to be the perfect performance instrument for reasons discussed in this thread, but for some of us owners, many maybe, the noted problem does not appear. Maybe it will show up with more advanced music, but personally I’m a few years away from that.

And this is quite frankly why I enjoy my N1 so much. I’ve had my piano teacher come over and play it, who had never heard of an AvantGrand, and was quite impressed. It’s sound isn’t the best with headphones, but played through the speaker system, is pleasant. The speaker system is certainly a notch up from any console DP I’ve played including the CA98 and CS11, which were also both fantastic instruments (and have nicer sounding samples quite frankly). I think a serious (or amateur) pianist of the future who is pursuing a career in performance piano will most certainly need to consider hybrids. They are best of both worlds.

The other part I’ve enjoyed over the last year is my action seems to have loosened up, for lack of a better way of describing it. It’s noticeably lighter than most DPs.

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Originally Posted by MarkH13
It's a weird sensation - the key suddenly seems to lighten up (like you've 'bypassed' the mechanism) and a horrible loud noise emerges.


Originally Posted by Egorbopol
What you mentioned about "the key suddenly seems to lighten up" is the same sensation I would feel as well. It is most definitely a weird sensation, as you put it, and really takes me out of the moment.


Wow, OK with these reports I have to revise what I experience on the NU1. I can easily (more or less at will) trigger exactly what Mark and Egor describe above on the NU1. Perhaps I wasn't reading the threads carefully enough, but I always assumed a "loud note" was a note playing louder than it should. Here, the note is playing EXACTLY as loud as it should, the problem (seems to be) that the keystick is pressed while it is still escaped from the rest of the action so it becomes very light and gets pressed with higher velocity than intended.

I actually think this happens on upright acoustics as well (if you're not used to playing them) but the effect is that no note is played because the separated action isn't sent back to the string. Chalk it up to user error, learning where the escapement is on that particular instrument, and adjusting your playing style to prevent it from happening again. Practice reduces missed notes, no surprise there.

On the NU1, because the velocity sensors are on the keys, the effect is a loud (or just improperly sounding) note, because there is nothing to measure movement at the hammer. The same behavior, but you notice it much more because a note sounds loudly.

When I say I can easily replicate it, I don't mean the exact "loud note." But if I repeat a key quickly without lifting my finger more than half-way up, it's very easy to hit a cadence fast enough to exceed the hammer return speed. When I do that, I can bounce the hammer off the action repeatedly without sending the hammer into the railing, and yet get the note to sound repeatedly, which I believe would be silent presses if done on an acoustic.

Is it a big problem? Not so much for me I think. I said earlier that it happens once every song or two. Today I played the NU1 for about an hour and didn't run into it at all except when I was intentionally trying to trigger it.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
However, I've previously reported (in this thread) the "mechanically-linked" loud noise Mark describes here. Fairly frequently (~once ever 5 minutes) when you press the key, it feels completely detached from the hammer mechanism, it's very light, and thus bottoms out quickly and results in a loud note. My thought was that it had something to do with speed, weight, but most importantly, the current position and impetus of the action. It feels a like, if you strike the key at just the right (wrong) time, the hammer doesn't have a chance to re-engage with the jack, so the key slips past without any resistance and trips the key sensor.

But from what I've been reading here, this ISN'T the behavior others have described, which sounds more like a totally normal action behavior accompanied by spurious note volume.

Thanks for posting this Gombessa, your description matches perfectly my experience of playing the NU1X (and describes it much better than I could have!)


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Tyr] #2705997
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Originally Posted by Tyr
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@ CyberGene: Sometimes i write a small comment, because it sucks on my tablet. So to answer this:

I've tried the NU1X as a possible replacement for my CA98 end of last year. I have read the issue discussed in this thread and saw the video about the NU1 issue. Also i read here how to reproduce this issue on several keys mentioned in this thread. I took round about 30 minutes on both NU1X playing and trying to let this louder note happen via thrills, fast repetition on a single note etc. but it didn't happen. I talked about this with my dealer and he said, he never heard about it on the NU1X nor the NU1. He also tried it (and he's a better player than me) without success. My conclusion was that it's not happening on all instruments, so it's an issue that "can" happen but (as Yamaha said in the manual) it seems a rare issue.

The reason i didn't bought it was the key action btw. While i enjoyed it, there something strange happening when the key is moving down into the keybed.

Thanks Tyr for your (comprehensive wink ) description of your experiences - it's really encouraging that you couldn't replicate the problem at all, which suggests that there may be a solution (even if it's swapping my keyboard for another NU1X).

Incidentally, I agree with you about the action as the key reaches the keybed - it feels quite abrupt, and 'clunky'. Initially this put me off too, but the more that I played, the less it bothered me, until all I felt was like I was playing a proper acoustic piano.

Incidentally, the clunky action problem is worst when playing through speakers, especially at lower volumes (as the noise of the action is more noticeable). At higher volumes, and particularly through phones, the problem goes away.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: spanishbuddha] #2706000
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
The NU1 is the perfect practice instrument. If you can master the key action, dynamics, legato, smoothness, trills, accents on arpeggios, acciaccaturas, .....etc.... both hands, your ‘performance’ on a grand or most mid to top range DPs c/should be flawless. It took me months to get used to the clunky action, after being spoiled on a mid range DP and my teachers grand, and I was set to replace mine, until my teacher visited, played on it and showed me the problems I had were my own and not the instrument.

It appears not to be the perfect performance instrument for reasons discussed in this thread, but for some of us owners, many maybe, the noted problem does not appear. Maybe it will show up with more advanced music, but personally I’m a few years away from that.

I couldn't agree with you more spanishbuddha - the NU1X is a difficult piano to play well, not because it's a bad action, but because it refuses to flatter your playing... If there is any inconsistency, unevenness, heaviness, etc. in your playing, it comes through loud and clear in the sound, particularly in trills and passage-work.

If you can make a beautiful, even, consistent sound on an NU1X, you can do it on any piano!


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2706004
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Gombessa, we've discussed that somewhere at the beginning of this thread. The same "phenomenon" happens on real upright pianos too (I can reproduce it on my Scholze upright for example), however the result is usually the opposite: there's no sound or there's just a very quiet note produced. This is actually intuitive because when it happens the key feels light (the escapement hasn't re-caught the hammer, so you don't have a mass to throw) and logically the produced note would be light, i.e. quiet or missing. What happens on NU1 is somehow counter-intuitive because the sensors are not at the hammers but below the keys and when that happens naturally the key becomes light and it's easy to throw them fast and produce loud notes, something you wouldn't expect when not having mass to throw. If they used hammer sensors, the piano would've acted exactly as a real upright piano. But as discussed, that might have involved much more complicated design with a higher price.

I am OK with what Yamaha do and I am not after pouring cr*p over them. What I don't like is the unclear position of Yamaha on this. It's rather sad that in most cases where people complain about this problem dealers are completely unaware of this problem and start exchanging for another piano which is apparently absolutely unnecessary. A cleanly stated position by Yamaha and better education of dealers regarding this problem would've saved all the troubles and bashing. And while it might be unrealistically idealistic on my side, I would even go as far as expecting dealers to inform customers about this "phenomenon" and just state it clearly to customers, of course not in a bad light, just as a logical result of the action, but state it clearly for customers to be aware and decide whether they can reproduce it themselves and whether it is something they can live with. Everything else is like a bad attempt to cover the truth which leaves the impression that Yamaha are hiding something.

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2706005
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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
Hi Mark,

I completely agree with what you said about the Nu1x being an amazing instrument, especially in terms of looks, feel, and sound. As I've said from the start, outside of the issue at hand, I think its an amazing machine.

What you mentioned about "the key suddenly seems to lighten up" is the same sensation I would feel as well. It is most definitely a weird sensation, as you put it, and really takes me out of the moment.

While at the piano store this past weekend with the owner, I played the Nu1, Nu1x, N1, N2, and N3 for over an hour, and it came down to this. I can play the N series pianos endlessly, and never worry about something unexpected happening. It plays, as intended, and sounds great. I unfortunately cannot say the same thing for the NU series pianos. There is a chance, even be it slim, that something will happen unexpectedly. And at this price point, I am NOT ok with that.

Thank you everyone for all of your feedback, and replies. One positive I can take from this experience, is I never knew about Pianoworld before this issue came up. If it wasn't for the NU1X and this problem, I would have never found this community.

Doug

Hi Doug,

I completely get what you're saying, and I suspect for most people, this would (understandably) be a deal-breaker...

However, for the use I put the piano to (as a 2nd instrument, for practice, technical work etc.), I can live with the issues, and the benefits more than outweigh the frustrations...

Anyway, good luck with your piano hunting - the N series are fantastic instruments, I'm sure you'll be delighted with whichever one you decide on!


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So I got my N1 this past weekend and have been playing it for the past few days.

I have to say, I really love it. I can play for hours and hours carefree. The touch is outstanding, and feels quite a bit nicer than my previous Nu1x. I know the soundboard is a bit older than the Nu1x, but for some reason I feel like it still sounds better through the on board speakers. The only thing I miss from the Nu1x is while playing with headphones on. The nu1x sounded really, really good with headphones. Headphone playing with the N1 is by far its weakest point. That aside, the fact that I can play for hours without worrying about the defect that my Nu1x had, makes all the difference in the world.

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Congratulations. Nice to hear smile


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Originally Posted by Tyr
Congratulations. Nice to hear smile


Thanks Tyr smile

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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
So I got my N1 this past weekend and have been playing it for the past few days.

...The only thing I miss from the Nu1x is while playing with headphones on. The nu1x sounded really, really good with headphones. Headphone playing with the N1 is by far its weakest point.


I wonder if you could just connect a decent headphone amp to the line out ports and that would resolve headphone sound quality...

Worth 50-100$ to try

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Congratulations indeed!!!!

Regarding headphone, try different headphones - especially lower ohm ones. I found that makes a huge difference for headphone sound for N1/N2 in the store..

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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
So I got my N1 this past weekend and have been playing it for the past few days.

I have to say, I really love it. I can play for hours and hours carefree. The touch is outstanding, and feels quite a bit nicer than my previous Nu1x. I know the soundboard is a bit older than the Nu1x, but for some reason I feel like it still sounds better through the on board speakers. The only thing I miss from the Nu1x is while playing with headphones on. The nu1x sounded really, really good with headphones. Headphone playing with the N1 is by far its weakest point. That aside, the fact that I can play for hours without worrying about the defect that my Nu1x had, makes all the difference in the world.

Congratulations on your purchase! The AvantGrands are stunning pianos, and I'm glad you're enjoying it smile

I spent quite a bit of time comparing the NU1X and N1, and agree with you about the relative sound quality. The NU1X onboard speakers are fine, but not a patch on listening through headphones, which is stunning.

The N1 also sounds fine through its speaker system, but the headphone output was a bit disappointing to me. I think there's quite a jump in sound quality to the N2, and presumably to the N1X if/when it gets here...


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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
So I got my N1 this past weekend and have been playing it for the past few days.

I have to say, I really love it. I can play for hours and hours carefree. The touch is outstanding, and feels quite a bit nicer than my previous Nu1x. I know the soundboard is a bit older than the Nu1x, but for some reason I feel like it still sounds better through the on board speakers. The only thing I miss from the Nu1x is while playing with headphones on. The nu1x sounded really, really good with headphones. Headphone playing with the N1 is by far its weakest point. That aside, the fact that I can play for hours without worrying about the defect that my Nu1x had, makes all the difference in the world.

Any thoughts on the relative keyboard weight of the two instruments?

My feeling was that the NU1X is significantly heavier to play than the N1, but I know others have not felt the same way...


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Originally Posted by MarkH13

Any thoughts on the relative keyboard weight of the two instruments?

My feeling was that the NU1X is significantly heavier to play than the N1, but I know others have not felt the same way...


I agree with you MarkH13. I found that the Nu1x keys were much heavier, and it was harder to play certain passages comfortably, or the way I intended. Not harder because of weight, but just something about the control of the hammer and key, it felt inconsistent. The N1 is still quite heavy, but while heavy, I feel like I still have a great amount of control, not sure if that all makes sense, haha.

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Originally Posted by Osho
Congratulations indeed!!!!

Regarding headphone, try different headphones - especially lower ohm ones. I found that makes a huge difference for headphone sound for N1/N2 in the store..

Osho


Thanks Osho!

I'll take a look at some better headphones maybe, good idea. I'm currently using Sennheiser 598 HD's, which are pretty good cans. I think it's less about the headphones, and more about how the Nu1x uses that advanced binaural sampling technology. With headphones on, you feel surrounded by the music, while the n1 with headphones feels very flat, and almost mono sounding.

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If you use the binaural sounds, I would recommend moving to closed back earphones to get the most out of the effect. The bleed through from open backed phones significantly muddies the positional effect.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
If you use the binaural sounds, I would recommend moving to closed back earphones to get the most out of the effect. The bleed through from open backed phones significantly muddies the positional effect.


ahh good point. I unfortunately don't use the binaural sounds seeing as the n1 doesn't have that feature. I also find that using closed back headphones gets tiring on my ears after hours of playing that way.

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I'd like to ask some questions on the NU1X, if I may. Here in the States Yamaha has already lowered the price of this DP even before many dealers have gotten it in stock, to the point where I can actually afford to buy it this fall. A Midwest authorized dealer is selling it with no tax or shipping charges, and I'm looking seriously at buying.
You either loved or hated the feel of its predecessor, the NU1, and I doubt that anything has changed in that direction. Having played it for an afternoon, I became addicted to the acoustic upright action and the way I'd have to be very careful in expressing emphasis, as it was not very forgiving of mistakes.

I'm going to assume that the NU1X is essentially the same in its mechanical makeup, but here are the questions I'd like to ask:

1) The CFX tone was the best I've ever heard, but I turned down the NU1 because that was the only one of 5 voices that interested me. For those who own or have tested the NU1X, how do you rate the Bosendorfer (I think that's how you spell it)?

2) If I remember correctly, I believe there are a total of 15 sampled voices, and the sound library found in the CLP models. If I'm wrong, could someone please correct me on that?

3) I would guess that the tones of the NU1X would be all I would need, but I do have a lot of money tied up in Pianoteq. Has anyone tried Pianoteq through the speakers, and if so what's your opinion of the live quality?

4) I'm using a software internet program called Piano Marvel to help with lessons, and my current DP has all the connections needed to use that program. Is it possible that anyone might be able to tell me if I could use Piano Marvel with the NU1X?

Thanks for all help, and any additional opinions, anyone would be kind enough to give.

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Originally Posted by ADWyatt


1) The CFX tone was the best I've ever heard, but I turned down the NU1 because that was the only one of 5 voices that interested me. For those who own or have tested the NU1X, how do you rate the Bosendorfer (I think that's how you spell it)?

2) If I remember correctly, I believe there are a total of 15 sampled voices, and the sound library found in the CLP models. If I'm wrong, could someone please correct me on that?

3) I would guess that the tones of the NU1X would be all I would need, but I do have a lot of money tied up in Pianoteq. Has anyone tried Pianoteq through the speakers, and if so what's your opinion of the live quality?

4) I'm using a software internet program called Piano Marvel to help with lessons, and my current DP has all the connections needed to use that program. Is it possible that anyone might be able to tell me if I could use Piano Marvel with the NU1X?

Thanks for all help, and any additional opinions, anyone would be kind enough to give.


1. I agree the CFX tone is outstanding on the Nu1, and I can safely say that it sounds even better on the Nu1x. The Nu1x has more speakers built in I believe, and a better sub as well, so it sounds fantastic. Personally, I was not a huge fan of the Bosendorfer sample. I felt it was a bit tin'ish, and felt like the sames were recorded with too much natural reverb, it felt distant.

2. There were more voices than the Nu1, thats true. 15 sounds about right.

3. I didn't get a chance to try this with my NU1x, but I'm tinking of trying it with my new N1. From the short amount of research I've done, I've read that VST's often don't sound great through the built in speakers, because VST's are built to output as stereo, and the on board samples use a multi channel output through their unique speaker system. It leaves the VST's sounding worse than expected. I could be wrong about that, and would love to talk with someone who has done this themselves.

4. Yes

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3. I didn't get a chance to try this with my NU1x, but I'm tinking of trying it with my new N1. From the short amount of research I've done, I've read that VST's often don't sound great through the built in speakers, because VST's are built to output as stereo, and the on board samples use a multi channel output through their unique speaker system. It leaves the VST's sounding worse than expected. I could be wrong about that, and would love to talk with someone who has done this themselves.


I routinely play Pianoteq 6 and Garritan CFX with the built-in speakers of CA67 - it works great! Of course, this is a matter of personal test, but I definitely prefer it to any sounds on CA67.

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Originally Posted by ADWyatt
1) The CFX tone was the best I've ever heard, but I turned down the NU1 because that was the only one of 5 voices that interested me. For those who own or have tested the NU1X, how do you rate the Bosendorfer (I think that's how you spell it)?

2) If I remember correctly, I believe there are a total of 15 sampled voices, and the sound library found in the CLP models. If I'm wrong, could someone please correct me on that?

3) I would guess that the tones of the NU1X would be all I would need, but I do have a lot of money tied up in Pianoteq. Has anyone tried Pianoteq through the speakers, and if so what's your opinion of the live quality?

4) I'm using a software internet program called Piano Marvel to help with lessons, and my current DP has all the connections needed to use that program. Is it possible that anyone might be able to tell me if I could use Piano Marvel with the NU1X?


1. The CFX sounds superb through the NU1X, and significantly better than the NU1 through phones - I think the new binaural sampling is a big step forward, and consequently, I only ever play through headphones now... The sound through the speakers, good though it is, just doesn't compare.

I find the Bosendorfer sound to be far inferior to the CFX - it feels much less powerful and dynamic, although part of this may be down to the fact that only the CFX uses binaural processing (phones only).

2. Yes, the NU1X has 15 voices; the first 5 are pianos (CFX, Bosendorfer, plus 3 more, including a couple of uprights I think). The rest are a range of things, including some nice harpsichords, which are fun for Bach. However TBH, after a couple of days I stopped bothering with the other sounds, and just left it on CFX.

3. Not yet, but planning to do so. A friend uses it through his N2, and it does make quite a difference.

4. I don't know the software, or how it works, but if you can load it onto your phone, and use the bluetooth function on the NU1X, you can listen to everything that comes out of the phone.

I find this feature of the NU1X MUCH more useful than I expected - for example listening to other people's performances, playing along to duets, listening to the cricket while I'm practising wink


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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
1. I agree the CFX tone is outstanding on the Nu1, and I can safely say that it sounds even better on the Nu1x. The Nu1x has more speakers built in I believe, and a better sub as well, so it sounds fantastic. Personally, I was not a huge fan of the Bosendorfer sample. I felt it was a bit tin'ish, and felt like the sames were recorded with too much natural reverb, it felt distant.

Completely agree - the Bosendorfer is very thin and lifeless next to the CFX


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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
I agree with you MarkH13. I found that the Nu1x keys were much heavier, and it was harder to play certain passages comfortably, or the way I intended. Not harder because of weight, but just something about the control of the hammer and key, it felt inconsistent. The N1 is still quite heavy, but while heavy, I feel like I still have a great amount of control, not sure if that all makes sense, haha.

Thanks Egorbopol, I know exactly what you mean about the NU1X action - at times the hammer and key feel like they're doing their own thing, regardless of how you press the keys... It's a weird and not very nice feeling!

Luckily it doesn't happen that often, but I'm still debating my next move with Yamaha.

The problem is that the piano sounds fantastically good, and when it's not misbehaving it's magnificent to play... However, it is frustrating and annoying when a rogue loud note pops up from nowhere!


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Hello everybody,
I am following with interest this thread as I would like to buy soon an NU1x.
I already owned an NU1 in the past and I clearly realized the issue, even if it did not disturb me too much: this was always intended for me as instrument to practice in the night and not for real performance.
At the moment I am playing a Yamaha B2... and, while playing it with headphones, I was wondering why the issue is absolutely not there...
I tried everything to reproduce it (normally at Ravel's Ondine it appeared various times each performance) but the response was always as expected... just various missing repeated notes, more or less as expected for such piece if the piano is not a good grand.
Is the electronic part of the B serie actually different compared to the NU1(x)?

Thank you for any clarification.

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Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

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Originally Posted by Osho
Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

Osho


Thank you for the clarification.
I am actually not satisfied with my B2, both at acoustic (of course I did not expect much) and electronic side: when I mute it something is changing and my fingers feel very “unnatural” and uncomfortable. This appeared to me better with the NU1x I played yesterday at the shop.
Has anybody done a similar comparison between the two “silent technologies”?

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Originally Posted by Osho
Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

Osho


The issue is noted by Yamaha in the user manuals of their NU1(X) and their silent pianos and, presumably, their transacoustic pianos too. So all their electronic pianos with real upright actions.


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