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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: ADWyatt] #2709001
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Originally Posted by ADWyatt


1) The CFX tone was the best I've ever heard, but I turned down the NU1 because that was the only one of 5 voices that interested me. For those who own or have tested the NU1X, how do you rate the Bosendorfer (I think that's how you spell it)?

2) If I remember correctly, I believe there are a total of 15 sampled voices, and the sound library found in the CLP models. If I'm wrong, could someone please correct me on that?

3) I would guess that the tones of the NU1X would be all I would need, but I do have a lot of money tied up in Pianoteq. Has anyone tried Pianoteq through the speakers, and if so what's your opinion of the live quality?

4) I'm using a software internet program called Piano Marvel to help with lessons, and my current DP has all the connections needed to use that program. Is it possible that anyone might be able to tell me if I could use Piano Marvel with the NU1X?

Thanks for all help, and any additional opinions, anyone would be kind enough to give.


1. I agree the CFX tone is outstanding on the Nu1, and I can safely say that it sounds even better on the Nu1x. The Nu1x has more speakers built in I believe, and a better sub as well, so it sounds fantastic. Personally, I was not a huge fan of the Bosendorfer sample. I felt it was a bit tin'ish, and felt like the sames were recorded with too much natural reverb, it felt distant.

2. There were more voices than the Nu1, thats true. 15 sounds about right.

3. I didn't get a chance to try this with my NU1x, but I'm tinking of trying it with my new N1. From the short amount of research I've done, I've read that VST's often don't sound great through the built in speakers, because VST's are built to output as stereo, and the on board samples use a multi channel output through their unique speaker system. It leaves the VST's sounding worse than expected. I could be wrong about that, and would love to talk with someone who has done this themselves.

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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
3. I didn't get a chance to try this with my NU1x, but I'm tinking of trying it with my new N1. From the short amount of research I've done, I've read that VST's often don't sound great through the built in speakers, because VST's are built to output as stereo, and the on board samples use a multi channel output through their unique speaker system. It leaves the VST's sounding worse than expected. I could be wrong about that, and would love to talk with someone who has done this themselves.


I routinely play Pianoteq 6 and Garritan CFX with the built-in speakers of CA67 - it works great! Of course, this is a matter of personal test, but I definitely prefer it to any sounds on CA67.

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: ADWyatt] #2709726
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Originally Posted by ADWyatt
1) The CFX tone was the best I've ever heard, but I turned down the NU1 because that was the only one of 5 voices that interested me. For those who own or have tested the NU1X, how do you rate the Bosendorfer (I think that's how you spell it)?

2) If I remember correctly, I believe there are a total of 15 sampled voices, and the sound library found in the CLP models. If I'm wrong, could someone please correct me on that?

3) I would guess that the tones of the NU1X would be all I would need, but I do have a lot of money tied up in Pianoteq. Has anyone tried Pianoteq through the speakers, and if so what's your opinion of the live quality?

4) I'm using a software internet program called Piano Marvel to help with lessons, and my current DP has all the connections needed to use that program. Is it possible that anyone might be able to tell me if I could use Piano Marvel with the NU1X?


1. The CFX sounds superb through the NU1X, and significantly better than the NU1 through phones - I think the new binaural sampling is a big step forward, and consequently, I only ever play through headphones now... The sound through the speakers, good though it is, just doesn't compare.

I find the Bosendorfer sound to be far inferior to the CFX - it feels much less powerful and dynamic, although part of this may be down to the fact that only the CFX uses binaural processing (phones only).

2. Yes, the NU1X has 15 voices; the first 5 are pianos (CFX, Bosendorfer, plus 3 more, including a couple of uprights I think). The rest are a range of things, including some nice harpsichords, which are fun for Bach. However TBH, after a couple of days I stopped bothering with the other sounds, and just left it on CFX.

3. Not yet, but planning to do so. A friend uses it through his N2, and it does make quite a difference.

4. I don't know the software, or how it works, but if you can load it onto your phone, and use the bluetooth function on the NU1X, you can listen to everything that comes out of the phone.

I find this feature of the NU1X MUCH more useful than I expected - for example listening to other people's performances, playing along to duets, listening to the cricket while I'm practising wink

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2709727
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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
1. I agree the CFX tone is outstanding on the Nu1, and I can safely say that it sounds even better on the Nu1x. The Nu1x has more speakers built in I believe, and a better sub as well, so it sounds fantastic. Personally, I was not a huge fan of the Bosendorfer sample. I felt it was a bit tin'ish, and felt like the sames were recorded with too much natural reverb, it felt distant.

Completely agree - the Bosendorfer is very thin and lifeless next to the CFX

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Originally Posted by Egorbopol
I agree with you MarkH13. I found that the Nu1x keys were much heavier, and it was harder to play certain passages comfortably, or the way I intended. Not harder because of weight, but just something about the control of the hammer and key, it felt inconsistent. The N1 is still quite heavy, but while heavy, I feel like I still have a great amount of control, not sure if that all makes sense, haha.

Thanks Egorbopol, I know exactly what you mean about the NU1X action - at times the hammer and key feel like they're doing their own thing, regardless of how you press the keys... It's a weird and not very nice feeling!

Luckily it doesn't happen that often, but I'm still debating my next move with Yamaha.

The problem is that the piano sounds fantastically good, and when it's not misbehaving it's magnificent to play... However, it is frustrating and annoying when a rogue loud note pops up from nowhere!

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Hello everybody,
I am following with interest this thread as I would like to buy soon an NU1x.
I already owned an NU1 in the past and I clearly realized the issue, even if it did not disturb me too much: this was always intended for me as instrument to practice in the night and not for real performance.
At the moment I am playing a Yamaha B2... and, while playing it with headphones, I was wondering why the issue is absolutely not there...
I tried everything to reproduce it (normally at Ravel's Ondine it appeared various times each performance) but the response was always as expected... just various missing repeated notes, more or less as expected for such piece if the piano is not a good grand.
Is the electronic part of the B serie actually different compared to the NU1(x)?

Thank you for any clarification.

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Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

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Originally Posted by Osho
Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

Osho


Thank you for the clarification.
I am actually not satisfied with my B2, both at acoustic (of course I did not expect much) and electronic side: when I mute it something is changing and my fingers feel very “unnatural” and uncomfortable. This appeared to me better with the NU1x I played yesterday at the shop.
Has anybody done a similar comparison between the two “silent technologies”?

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Osho] #2711367
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Originally Posted by Osho
Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

Osho


The issue is noted by Yamaha in the user manuals of their NU1(X) and their silent pianos and, presumably, their transacoustic pianos too. So all their electronic pianos with real upright actions.


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Yes, this issue is unique to NU1X and how it's upright action and sensors are designed.

Osho


The issue is noted by Yamaha in the user manuals of their NU1(X) and their silent pianos and, presumably, their transacoustic pianos too. So all their electronic pianos with real upright actions.


Yes, I confirm this... also on the B2 manual is written "This is not a fault. The structure of the Silent PianoTM causes this to occur in some cases."
It is just strange for me that my B2 does not have the issue (and if it does not come out from my test-pieces, I am quite sure it is not there at all)
That is why I believe the technology is somehow different, and not just depending on the specific piano you can play.

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Originally Posted by titowsky
It is just strange for me that my B2 does not have the issue (and if it does not come out from my test-pieces, I am quite sure it is not there at all)
That is why I believe the technology is somehow different, and not just depending on the specific piano you can play.


I imagine if there are unit-to-unit differences it is more likely due to the calibration of the key sensors. I think there's a way for the owner to calibrate the sensors...do some research because it's been mentioned on here before now.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2715960
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I was at our Yamaha dealer today. Mostly a fruitless visit since I wanted to test CLP-685/675 but neither was available. There was a 645 though and out of frustration I just played it a lot. As a matter of fact I came to like how heavy it feels! My first reaction of course was: meh. But in 20 minutes it started feeling great and very expressive.

Anyway, there was a NU1 but it was not plugged into electricity and they told me it won’t be for the time being which is BS. Anyway, I tried playing very fast and quiet trills (well that was what I imagined with no sound) and I was able to jam the action multiple times. Which happens on my upright too. And possibly on almost every upright. So basically the problem indeed lies inherently in the upright action, which BTW feels fantastic otherwise! So whether that would produce a silent note on a real upright or sudden loud note, it is indeed an inevitable result of the upright action and one better tries to avoid that at all rather than expecting anything else. As to why would one want an upright action in a digital is another question.

I couldn’t jam the Yamaha C-something grand nearby, nor the 645. IMHO one should either go for pure digital action or real grand action. NU-models are weird animals that are probably good as practice machines but not for anything else. IMHO of course smile

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2715969
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Cybergene,

I definitely think if they could change in code to have the jammed key play no note, instead of a louder note that would have solved my problem.

I'm very happy to have that Nu1x out of my home, and am very happy to have the N1 in it's place. I've really been enjoying the N1, and play it for hours each night. My only gripe is the sound sample with the N1 isn't great while playing with headphones. I believe I'm going to have to attach my laptop soon and mess around with some VST's.

Anyone have any documentation anywhere on the web on best way to go about that?

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Originally Posted by Egorbopol

I definitely think if they could change in code to have the jammed key play no note, instead of a louder note that would have solved my problem.


They probably can do something, but because the system essentially guesses the hammer position based on key position, doing so may introduce other unintended consequences (e.g., false positives resulting in silent notes, where an acoustic upright would actually play). I think it's fair to describe as reaching the limits of an imperfect system. You'd have to create a detailed model of an upright action based on past and present key velocities, and that model would also have to hold for variations in individual key tolerances, build, and regulation. At the end of the day, it sounds a lot easier just to bite the bullet and put a hammer sensor in so you don't have to do any fancy guesswork.

Again, for me the NU1 is quite fine to play on, and I either don't run into the problem much in regular playing, or I've adjusted to it just as I have to silent notes from a jammed acoustic action.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Anyway, there was a NU1 but it was not plugged into electricity and they told me it won’t be for the time being which is BS. Anyway, I tried playing very fast and quiet trills (well that was what I imagined with no sound) and I was able to jam the action multiple times. Which happens on my upright too. And possibly on almost every upright. So basically the problem indeed lies inherently in the upright action, which BTW feels fantastic otherwise! So whether that would produce a silent note on a real upright or sudden loud note, it is indeed an inevitable result of the upright action and one better tries to avoid that at all rather than expecting anything else. As to why would one want an upright action in a digital is another question.

I'm a bit confused by this - I play to a reasonable standard, and have played a lot of different grand/upright pianos, but I've never been able to 'jam' an upright action in the way that you mention.

My understanding of piano actions is not great, but I think that the main difference between upright and grand actions is that gravity/the repeat mechanism of a grand piano allows a faster note repeat.

So on an upright piano, I don't expect to be able to play trills, for example, as fast as on a grand piano. Other than this, I've never had any problems with the action of an upright piano.

The issue with the NU1 feels different.

There is the problem that when you try to trill fast, you can 'beat' the mechanism, with the keys going down faster, and the sensors recording this as a loud note, even though the hammer has been by-passed. (This is presumably also what happens in an acoustic upright, but in this case, the hammer being by-passed results in the string not being struck, and there being no sound.)

However, the main problem with the NU1 is that in 'normal' playing (i.e. without fast repetition) pressing the keys can occasionally still result in the hammers being by-passed, resulting in a sudden lightening of the key, and a loud sound being produced.

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Just to add my 2 pennies worth. I was not aware of this problem when I first tried the NU1, and didn't notice it - but I was only playing for fun in a store and not really looking to find the problem. I became aware of the problem from this thread and was recently seriously looking to buy an NU1X (much better engine than the NU1) - and so tried to reproduce it. Sure enough I could quite easily reproduce this sudden loudness effect quite easily by repeating a note of trilling. And once I knew how to reproduce it, I started getting the "effect" quite often - even in normal playing. And paritculalry when trying to play softly.

Everyone else has written the reasons for this -- ie blocking and not having hammer sensors -- and that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

However - I think that the real problem is that the effect is just so counter-intuitive. One person wrote that with blocking you would get no sound or a reduced sound -- and that is the case -- done it many times on old worn out uprights.

Of course - no such problem on the N1 / N2 / N3 / N3x models - just wish they'd now release an N1x and N2x. There have been other problems reported on the actions of the N1 - N3 -- but I've never managed to get that to happen -- easily enough found if you google. I'm playing an N1 regularly now -- and my one criticism is that sound is really completely cold and sterile frown - compared to say the KAWAI CS10/11 or a real piano).

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Originally Posted by TimPenn

Everyone else has written the reasons for this -- ie blocking and not having hammer sensors -- and that sounds pretty reasonable to me.


What is 'blocking'?


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Everyone else has written the reasons for this -- ie blocking and not having hammer sensors -- and that sounds pretty reasonable to me.


What is 'blocking'?


When you play the same key again so quickly that the hammer has not yet fallen back to re-engage with the action so there is no sense of resistance or weight behind the subsequent key presses. So the action 'blocks'. A bit like an old mechanical typewriter if you press one letter before the other has fallen back into place.

All uprights do it. All Yamaha silents have the occasional loud key issue, as does the NU1(X) because they sense key velocity, not hammer velocity.

I still don't see it as an issue personally and it wouldn't affect my decision as to whether to buy one of these affected Yamahas but others seem to mind about it.


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Thanks essbrace smile The physical action of blocking should not be a great problem, although I'd prefer it not to happen. But with an outcome of an incorrect loud note sounding - that would be off-putting.


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