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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2741018
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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: TomLC] #2741089
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Hello Tom,

Originally Posted by TomLC
The Kawai web sites for the US/CA, Europe, and the global site do not mention this model. Only the ATX model. Wonder why?


The ATX3 and AURES models were previewed at Musikmesse in April, but will not be formally announced until later in the year.

However, please note that AURES is not related to NOVUS.

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Thanks James. I saw the review by Bonners and so expected they would be on the website. I was just curious. I am still enamored with the NV10 despite the issues I have mentioned. I hope the general view readers here get is that Kawai Support has been exceptional.


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Tom, yes, Bonners always do a great job of covering new piano/DP developments, however the final AURES/ATX3 specifications and pricing etc. will not be known until the instruments are officially announced later in the year.

Thank you very much for your comments regarding Kawai's support too!

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2741101
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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: TomLC] #2741153
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Your dealer might be referring to the Kawai Aures Series - but these are uprights.


The Kawai web sites for the US/CA, Europe, and the global site do not mention this model. Only the ATX model. Wonder why? They must be pretty pricey. The K300/K500/K600 are great pianos, and adding in the DP part with a soundboard speaker setup will get the price up to $15K to >$20K I expect.


Looking at the pictures at Bonner's web site of the ATX model, it is clearly based on the CA67/CA97 technology and is priced (for the K300) at around £6500 (slight variations for different finishes) whilst the Aures shown above is clearly based on the CA78/CA98/Novus10 technology. As Tony says in the video, not available in their showroom until September. I would presume pricing will be up on the ATX, but not by much (the same sort of difference between CA97 and CA98?).

I am fortunate that the Reigate showroom he refers to is only a couple of miles down the road from me. In fact it was Tony who actually personally offered me the deal to trade in my Casio 460 (also purchased from Bonners) for the CA67 last October/November time when I went to the Reigate showroom to try out the CA48. Although my CA67 is perfect through headphones I am underwhelmed by the speaker system so this might be a way to go longer term (I have a habit of hobbies going really strong for about two years and then falling into the category "something I did once". I want learning the piano to get past that stage before I invest any more in it).

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"priced (for the K300) at around £6500"

That would be a very good price if it has CA97 software and the soundboard speaker system. The K300 is a very nice upright with really good action. (IMHO).


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Originally Posted by akc42
Looking at the pictures at Bonner's web site of the ATX model, it is clearly based on the CA67/CA97 technology and is priced (for the K300) at around £6500 (slight variations for different finishes) whilst the Aures shown above is clearly based on the CA78/CA98/Novus10 technology. As Tony says in the video, not available in their showroom until September. I would presume pricing will be up on the ATX, but not by much (the same sort of difference between CA97 and CA98?).


ATX2 is actually a CA65/95 sound system, i.e. still HiXL but no SK samples.

In terms of pricing (based on large uk store online list prices), as I mentioned in the aures thread, for the current ATX2 line, the silent system adds around £1,400 to whatever the acoustic piano costs, while the soundboard & speaker system (currently denoted by -f variants) is a further £300 on top.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: TomLC] #2741233
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Originally Posted by TomLC
"priced (for the K300) at around £6500"

That would be a very good price if it has CA97 software and the soundboard speaker system. The K300 is a very nice upright with really good action. (IMHO).


The price differential between the K300 with and without ATX is about (just a bit less than) what I paid for my CA67. So its not a surprising price.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2741255
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Sorry people but due to my dealer the NV10 is the "entry level" of the KAWAI future hybrid piano range.

I wait for the grand piano cabinet version with the new loudspeaker system...

And it is still a bargain compared to the full range hybrid pianos...

Alexander


Does your dealer have any idea on how soon we can expect a grand piano cabinet Novus?
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Not yet unfortunately...

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I've been trying to follow this thread to see if I can figure out what, if any, UI/sound engine/tweaking tips might apply to me, but I'm not sure.

First, I really love this piano.

Having said that, I finally got the sound about where I wanted it with a relatively heavy bass (when played, I'd say, medium forte or louder), and with just enough natural resonance that seemed right to me. I was using "piano mode", "rich", and under virtual technician I had selected "mellow 2".

However, at some point, the ringing (that others have pointed out) started bothering me, as it seemed too loud. I liked the slight ringing I heard when playing in the upper registers, especially right around C5. But at some point, that ringing got a little louder and was definitely more pronounced, and I couldn't figure out why. I vaguely remember doing things in virtual technician having to do with bass notes, but those menu items aren't there (or maybe I was doing that when looking at sound mode?). I tried moving resonance up and down, but that seemed to have no effect.

So, I've reset to factory settings, and now there is no ringing, but I am kind of back at square one, trying to get the piano back to sounding the way I liked. I liked a little ringing, since it seemed to me to simulate the echoing of the sounds against the harp (maybe, or rails? not really up on the technical names for parts of a grand piano).

I'm definitely not a tinkerer and bought this piano because it feels, to me, so much like a large grand piano when I play it. I really loathe spending time in the UI trying to bother with all of this. (I'm a software engineer by trade and get enough of this during my day job.)

It seems like there are settings that one can change without realizing ...

Edit: btw, all of this basically through the speakers ... only use headphones late at night.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Jaytee-66] #2741351
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Originally Posted by Jaytee-66

So, I've reset to factory settings, and now there is no ringing, but I am kind of back at square one, trying to get the piano back to sounding the way I liked. I liked a little ringing, since it seemed to me to simulate the echoing of the sounds against the harp (maybe, or rails? not really up on the technical names for parts of a grand piano).


Hi Jaytee,

You've mentioned that you've changed a number of VT settings, but have you also changed the special Pianist Mode "Resonance Depth?" That's the one where you just drag your finger and and down against the image of the piano from the Pianist Mode home screen. I think it defaults to 6, and I personally like it around 8 (yes, it rings out more than any acoustic I've played, but it makes the instrument feel more alive IMO). I can definitely see how a higher setting could cause tinnitus to act up or simply be distracting to others, though.


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Where is Kawai NV10 made/assembled?
I am interested to try one, but the dealer said, it is not yet available in Indonesia.
As far as I know they make most of their digital piano in Indonesia.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Faiz] #2741363
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Originally Posted by Faiz
Where is Kawai NV10 made/assembled?
I am interested to try one, but the dealer said, it is not yet available in Indonesia.
As far as I know they make most of their digital piano in Indonesia.


I believe you are correct. The keyboard and action are made in Japan like their acoustics. The piano is assembled in one of their Indonesia plants. It should be available there? Call the factory near you. smile


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Jaytee, if you loathe the UI tinkering in search of the perfect piano sound, my advice is: Just don't do it. That may sound stupid, but what I mean is: Play the piano "as is", just like you would with an acoustic piano. Very, very few people ever both with voicing their acoustic piano to anything other than the sound that it has when it is delivered. And if they do bother with voicing, then that is a slow process (first wait for the technician, have some voicing done, wear in the hammers, call the technician again for some more voicing, again wear in the hammers, and after months, slowly get close to the desired sound). Treat your Novus in the same way - at least for a while. Just play it as it is and let it grow on you. Change parameters (like the rendering character, resonance depth, ambience, and VT settings) sparingly and only when you feel like it (so that it doesn't feel like a nuisance or burden). And over time, slowly but (hopefully) eventually, arrive at the sound you like best. Part of this process of finding the sound you like best may be that you change parameters of the piano, but part of it will probably also be that you (unconsciously) change your own perception and expectations, so that the sound that you arrive at then, as your preferred sound, may be a sound that, if you played it now, maybe wouldn't be your first choice.

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Hmmm Interesting hahaha

The CA98 was just available in this January here, I guess it has been out there outside Indonesia since last year. Maybe this NV10 will be available next 6 months or maybe next year lol


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Originally Posted by Faiz
Hmmm Interesting hahaha

The CA98 was just available in this January here, I guess it has been out there outside Indonesia since last year. Maybe this NV10 will be available next 6 months or maybe next year lol



Why can't your dealer order it from Japan? This is really weird. Order it from Japan - they ship to the dealer, who is close to you I assume.


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Originally Posted by Faiz
Hmmm Interesting hahaha

The CA98 was just available in this January here, I guess it has been out there outside Indonesia since last year. Maybe this NV10 will be available next 6 months or maybe next year lol



Why can't your dealer order it from Japan? This is really weird. Order it from Japan - they ship it from the Indonesia plant to the dealer, who is close to you I assume.


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I have contacted 3 dealers, one in my city, one the other city outside province, and the last one which my CA98 came from that also pretty close to the Factory. weird

The factory is about 12 hours drive from my place


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Probably practicing (practising) piano, unlike a lot of us (or me, at least).

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Originally Posted by JoBert
Jaytee, if you loathe the UI tinkering in search of the perfect piano sound, my advice is: Just don't do it. That may sound stupid, but what I mean is: Play the piano "as is", just like you would with an acoustic piano. Very, very few people ever both with voicing their acoustic piano to anything other than the sound that it has when it is delivered. And if they do bother with voicing, then that is a slow process (first wait for the technician, have some voicing done, wear in the hammers, call the technician again for some more voicing, again wear in the hammers, and after months, slowly get close to the desired sound). Treat your Novus in the same way - at least for a while. Just play it as it is and let it grow on you. Change parameters (like the rendering character, resonance depth, ambience, and VT settings) sparingly and only when you feel like it (so that it doesn't feel like a nuisance or burden). And over time, slowly but (hopefully) eventually, arrive at the sound you like best. Part of this process of finding the sound you like best may be that you change parameters of the piano, but part of it will probably also be that you (unconsciously) change your own perception and expectations, so that the sound that you arrive at then, as your preferred sound, may be a sound that, if you played it now, maybe wouldn't be your first choice.


That's basically been my attitude toward this piano (as well as my Yamaha CLP 585).

I tinkered around in the beginning to basically get the sound I want, or some approximation of it, and left it that way. I.e., I wasn't playing around with many of the different characters in pianist mode, nor was I tinkering much with the VT settings after I got the sound the way I wanted.

However, it did seem to me that the "ringing" I was hearing was more pronounced after some time. Someone else posted something about the resonance settings - I played with that (turned it down all the way to 1), and that wasn't really having an effect.

Anyway, after resetting the piano and setting up a couple parameters again (full or rich mode, "mellow 2" under VT settings), the pronounced ringing is back (and it wasn't at first). Maybe I'm just hearing it differently after playing for a while. *shrug*

Regardless, I'm pretty happy with the sound the way it is, and I like the ringing/reverb sound. I agree that it makes the piano feel more alive; I had just hoped to decrease that effect somewhat. It doesn't seem like I'm making headway in that direction, and I've basically just left it for the time being.

Agree with everything you've said Jobert. I have owned three digital pianos, the Novus being my third. I have also owned an acoustic grand. I really haven't done much with the settings or sound after initial setup, ever. Digital or not, the piano to me is just a piano, and tinkering around with the settings (and all the many, many voices included with the instrument) is something that doesn't interest me, other than for fun/novelty purposes usually within the first week of ownership, never again to be revisited. smile Once in a while I will fire up a harpsichord sound to play some Bach, but honestly, I don't have harpischord technique, and it never sounds good to me compared to my piano renditions.

As far as the Novus's ability to just "be a piano", it's the best I've ever had or experienced compared to all digitals I've ever played, including the two Yamahas I've owned (granted, I never owned a Yamaha AvantGrand, but I have played them, and the Novus matches or outperforms those, IMO).

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Jaytee, one last thing you could try to tame the ringing a bit: One of the few adjustments I made is in the Sound Settings menu, where I have set Tone Control to User with Mid-high at -1 and High at -2. Maybe such a setting would appeal to you too?

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Originally Posted by JoBert
Jaytee, one last thing you could try to tame the ringing a bit: One of the few adjustments I made is in the Sound Settings menu, where I have set Tone Control to User with Mid-high at -1 and High at -2. Maybe such a setting would appeal to you too?


I'll give that a try ... that may also reduce the brightness in the upper registers, although I have gotten used to that now.

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Jaytee, one last thing you could try to tame the ringing a bit: One of the few adjustments I made is in the Sound Settings menu, where I have set Tone Control to User with Mid-high at -1 and High at -2. Maybe such a setting would appeal to you too?


I'll give that a try ... that may also reduce the brightness in the upper registers, although I have gotten used to that now.


I had the same problem with the kawai sound in general. I'd owned the CLP-685 before and loved the CFX voice so much, that every other rendering sounded awkward. Now i like the SK-EX a lot, just because it sounds way more alive and natural compared to the yamaha sounds.


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Where’s Osho?

Right here smile

I was on a business trip for 2 weeks - and then when I came home, the 'welcome home' gift was that the Novus NV10 was delivered the next day after I was back smile smile. It has been a little over week since that and I have been thoroughly enjoying NV10 every day. Will post some pics over the weekend.

My impressions at home have been pretty much the same as I had in the store (which I posted earlier in this thread). Absolutely amazing action - I have been mostly using it with Garritan CFX and headphones - and the combination is unbeatable at this point of time IMHO. I really haven't used the speakers that much - and I don't think I will - except for bluetooth audio perhaps.

I also ended up building a PC for the explicit purpose of being used as VST player/recorder and with pianomarvel. I am also very excited about how well this has worked out with NV10 - to the point where I turn on the Piano and can be playing Garritan CFX in <10 seconds with headphones. And I can switch between Garritan CFX and Pianoteq with just two taps (or combine them both) in Cakewalk. The ease of use of this setup is making me enjoy the NV10 even more.

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Congrats Osho!
With your Mason & Hamlin just a few steps away from the NV10, I can imagine how you have no need to play the NV10 with speakers! smile

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2742948
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Congrats Osho!

Please feel free to post some pics of your setup. wink

James
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