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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Osho] #2711665
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Originally Posted by Osho

Did the dealers say $12K street or MSRP price?


More likely street price. I never got a consistent answer about MSRP (and in my discussions it didn't make a whole lot of sense to press the issue since it's largely irrelevant). Some said around 16000, others said 17000-19000, but all said "but we'll be selling it for around 12,000-12,999" right out the gate, so I assume that's a good data point for street price, and starting point for negotiations?


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711668
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I heard nearly the same numbers as Gombessa. This is coming from a location in Orange County.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711678
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My Novus has arrived today and is looking mighty fine:

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Alas, I don't dare to switch it on yet. It has been on a truck for several days now and was thoroughly chilled down. There's heavy condensation (the keys even have a slightly wet feeling) and I don't dare to connect it to the power mains or switch it on, as I guess that the condensation inside, on the electronics, is likely just as bad. So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it! cry

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711680
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Beautiful!
Thanks for the hands-on review and picture. Keep us updated with further impressions once you’ve had time to play it for a few hours.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711687
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Beautiful!! Congratulations!!!

Did it arrive assembled or did you have to assemble it yourself?

Thanks
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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711690
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I wondered if the piano makers shipped overseas via refrigerated container to maintain some control of temperature, humidity, salty air, etc.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711691
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Alas, I don't dare to switch it on yet. ... So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it!

I'd have the self-discipline to not switch it on til tomorrow . . . but no way I could resist some "silent playing" tonight!

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Osho] #2711692
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Originally Posted by Osho
Did it arrive assembled or did you have to assemble it yourself?

It came in two huge boxes. One very huge one that contained the main body. And another one, a bit smaller but still large, that contained the base (the back part with the subwoofer and the pedals) plus the two front legs.
You need to attach the two legs to the base to assemble a sort of three legged "table" and then put the main unit on top. My delivery included assembly by the delivery people, but I heavily assisted them, as I had compulsively read the assembly instructions about five times (in two languages) and they of course hadn't (first of all because they are handymen who of course don't have to read instructions, ever, and second because this was of course the first NV10 they have ever delivered).

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711696
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Congrats! Nice looking piano in a very nice and cozy looking room! May you have great pleasure with that piano!


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711697
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Cool. Nice bench, by the way.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711710
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It does look fantastic! And I also admired the bench. Didn't pay much attention to the room though, but now that CyberGene pointed it out, let's imagine an acoustic next to the fireplace - I'm sure it would love the warmth and temperature changes *wink wink*

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: mcoll] #2711715
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Originally Posted by mcoll
It does look fantastic! And I also admired the bench.

Yes, my wonderful Andexinger bench. My christmas gift from 2016. I'm very happy with it and agree, it matches well with the NV10.

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Didn't pay much attention to the room though, but now that CyberGene pointed it out, let's imagine an acoustic next to the fireplace - I'm sure it would love the warmth and temperature changes *wink wink*

Ha! Fortunately that's a decorative ethanol fireplace without a chimney. I'm planning to move it further along the wall. Not just because of the heat near the piano, but also because it's simply too close purely for visual/layout reasons.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711719
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Originally Posted by JoBert
So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it! cry


You are a patient man!!!

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711720
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Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: karvala] #2711742
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Originally Posted by karvala



I think that's a very interesting point. Yamaha have not, to my knowledge at least, stated a specific grand mechanism from which their AvantGrand action is taken. That does make me suspect that it was put together specifically for the AvantGrands, and as such you have to question the extent to which it is a real grand action. The NV10 explicitly uses the Millennium III action, and from your description, does indeed feel like a GL-30 acoustic grand which uses that action.

From what you and Jobert have said, it seems that Kawai have once again taken the lead on keyboard action. Now they just need to sort out marketing, distribution and electronics. laugh


This is just a marketing strategy. Kawai explicitly says they use Millennium III action for most of their acoustic grand pianos. Such a statement is not necessary. I have tried the N2 and N3 and their action feels very nice and authentic. I am confident of what I am saying as I was a piano major in the university.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoeT] #2711761
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Originally Posted by JoeT
Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


I tested it against a GL-30 ATX and a couple of GXs, and other than texture of the keys (the blacks are matte plastic-ish on the NV10 and the GX had ivory-feel whites), the NV10 felt remarkably identical to the acoustics. I really think you're getting exactly what you would expect action-wise, it doesn't feel like a "baby grand" but that could be because Kawai's actions feel consistent through much of their range?

For me, this is in contrast to the AvantGrands, which also have real acoustic actions but didn't feel very similar at all to a C3X or C7 when I tried it (but did feel similar to a GB1K).


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Gombessa] #2711765
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by JoeT
Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


I tested it against a GL-30 ATX and a couple of GXs.

I really think you're getting exactly what you would expect action-wise, it doesn't feel like a "baby grand" but that could be because Kawai's actions feel consistent through much of their range?

I'm interested in how the the whole package (action and sound, over headphones and into the room) compares to a baby grand with silent in the same price range, because that is what the Novus is competing against (while conventional digital pianos compete against upright pianos in the same price range). I see no point in putting a GX grand against it.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711783
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Congratulations on your purchase.

The bench looks like a Andexinger Bench.

Is it standard that comes with NV10?

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711830
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Wow! What an absolutely beautiful piano. It seems to me that the NV10 might be the pinnacle of digital greatness.

Congratulations.

God Bless,
David

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2711841
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Originally Posted by JoeT
I'm interested in how the the whole package (action and sound, over headphones and into the room) compares to a baby grand with silent in the same price range, because that is what the Novus is competing against.

I cannot speak about how they compare, because I never tested a baby grand with silent, but I can say that, at least here in Germany, there actually isn't a fair competition between the two, because here those two are not in the same price range: At Thomann, the GL10 with ATX2 currently costs 13,000€ (down from 16,900€ MSRP), the NV10 only 9,000€ (down from 9,590€ MSRP, all prices with tax included). So the GL10ATX2 is almost 50% more expensive than the NV10 at street price (and even more so at list price).

Originally Posted by Kenny Cheng
The bench looks like a Andexinger Bench.

Is it standard that comes with NV10?

Good eyes. Yes it is indeed an Andexinger. But no, it didn't come with the piano, I already had it before.

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