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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: karvala] #2711432
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Originally Posted by karvala
From what you and Jobert have said, it seems that Kawai have once again taken the lead on keyboard action. Now they just need to sort out marketing, distribution and electronics. laugh


And quality control of course smile..

I find Kawai's pianos themselves are really great - I am a big fan. I own Kawai CA67 and I have recommended it to several friends/online. But the quality control and the business side seem so disorganized. NV10 US pricing PR mess at NAMM is one example. All different Kawai regional sites have their own websites - which are subpar comapred to Kawai global site - especially look at Kawai US website. Kawai Europe and other 'local' Kawai subsidiaries seem to create their own play-only PR material for internet (which doesn't make any sense given it is world-wide Internet!) - why isn't there a single Youtube channel giving the best information?

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711433
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PianoManChuck reviews Novus NV10 and is his 'Pick Of The Year' for Hybrid piano category. He says MSRP is $16K...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ags7o029Fk

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711486
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While I agree with the sentiments of many on here in regards to the sound of the AvantGrand, I have to disagree on the action. I owned an N1 in 2011, then bought an RX-2 in 2013, then had to downsize due to kids back to the N1. It feels just like an Acoustic, as it should. Nearly all action parts are what you find in other Yamaha acoustic grands. It is lighter than the action was on my Kawai. Actions are subjective and acoustic actions vary enormously between brands and age, prep, etc. while I personally think the NV10 is a better instrument than the N1/N2 due to the sound engine, all else is basically at parity with Yamaha’s nearly 10 year old tech (Yamaha AvantGrand N3 launched in 2008). This is no knock on Kawai either.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711505
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I mostly agree with PianoZac. There isn't any real indication that Yamaha's is using anything other than a real grand action in the AG, and I'm sure it's just as authentic as Kawai's. Most differences will be due to preference at this point.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711535
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Well, to be fair, it's not like acoustic piano action has seen drastic changes in the past 10/20 years. If Yamaha's action was authentic when the AG series first came out, there's no reason why it should feel outdated today (sound engince is another story). I remember playing a C3 and an N3 side by side a couple of years ago, and they felt quite similar.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711582
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Hello JoBert,

Thank you very much for your extremely detailed post. I'm obviously delighted to read that you enjoyed playing the NV10 - congratulations on your purchase!

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Osho] #2711584
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Hello Osho,

Originally Posted by Osho
Kawai Europe and other 'local' Kawai subsidiaries seem to create their own play-only PR material for internet (which doesn't make any sense given it is world-wide Internet!) - why isn't there a single Youtube channel giving the best information?


May I ask you to clarify what you mean by "play-only PR material"?

Also, I established a Kawai Pianos Global YouTube channel a few months ago intended for hosting non-Japanese videos created by Kawai Japan. I handed responsibility over to one of my colleagues in order to concentrate on some other projects, however perhaps I should think about preparing some videos myself - any thoughts/suggestions?

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Kawai James] #2711588
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Osho,

Originally Posted by Osho
Kawai Europe and other 'local' Kawai subsidiaries seem to create their own play-only PR material for internet (which doesn't make any sense given it is world-wide Internet!) - why isn't there a single Youtube channel giving the best information?


May I ask you to clarify what you mean by "play-only PR material"?

I mean videos that are primarily just playing the Piano - so they do not have any language needing translation.

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Also, I established a Kawai Pianos Global YouTube channel a few months ago intended for hosting non-Japanese videos created by Kawai Japan. I handed responsibility over to one of my colleagues in order to concentrate on some other projects, however perhaps I should think about preparing some videos myself - any thoughts/suggestions?

Kind regards,
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My suggestion would be that there is a single youtube channel for all 'official' Kawai PR material - with translations/dubbing for videos that are in different language.

If one searches for Kawai Novus NV10 on youtube, there are videos from Kawai Europe, Kawai Spain (the same video that is on Kawai Pianos Global - even though it needs no translation!), Kawai Russia (where your voice is dubbed in russian!) and of course Kawai Globals.

It almost seems there is no cohesive strategy on how to market Kawai vidoes globally - every local regional subsidiary is free to choose what they want.

This was also evident in more serious matters than PR, e.g. the whole NV10 MSRP mess for US market at NAMM.

Basically, there doesn't really seem collaboration/communication with Kawai Japan and the regional subsidiaries.

Osho

PS: I am sorry we are going a little off-topic here.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711593
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Osho, thank you for your reply.

You raise some interesting points, however, as you say this is veering somewhat off-topic, so it's probably best if I respond to you via a PM.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: Gombessa] #2711660
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
8. The 20k price from NAMM isn't a thing. All the dealers i talked to who have ordered the nv10 have been consistent even before NAMM on price being in the $12k ballpark (some say a little more, some a little less) so I think the higher list price is just a way to display a big discount to the buyer.

Did the dealers say $12K street or MSRP price?

Thanks,
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Originally Posted by Osho

Did the dealers say $12K street or MSRP price?


More likely street price. I never got a consistent answer about MSRP (and in my discussions it didn't make a whole lot of sense to press the issue since it's largely irrelevant). Some said around 16000, others said 17000-19000, but all said "but we'll be selling it for around 12,000-12,999" right out the gate, so I assume that's a good data point for street price, and starting point for negotiations?


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711668
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I heard nearly the same numbers as Gombessa. This is coming from a location in Orange County.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711678
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My Novus has arrived today and is looking mighty fine:

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Alas, I don't dare to switch it on yet. It has been on a truck for several days now and was thoroughly chilled down. There's heavy condensation (the keys even have a slightly wet feeling) and I don't dare to connect it to the power mains or switch it on, as I guess that the condensation inside, on the electronics, is likely just as bad. So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it! cry

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Beautiful!
Thanks for the hands-on review and picture. Keep us updated with further impressions once you’ve had time to play it for a few hours.

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Beautiful!! Congratulations!!!

Did it arrive assembled or did you have to assemble it yourself?

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I wondered if the piano makers shipped overseas via refrigerated container to maintain some control of temperature, humidity, salty air, etc.

Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711691
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Alas, I don't dare to switch it on yet. ... So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it!

I'd have the self-discipline to not switch it on til tomorrow . . . but no way I could resist some "silent playing" tonight!

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Originally Posted by Osho
Did it arrive assembled or did you have to assemble it yourself?

It came in two huge boxes. One very huge one that contained the main body. And another one, a bit smaller but still large, that contained the base (the back part with the subwoofer and the pedals) plus the two front legs.
You need to attach the two legs to the base to assemble a sort of three legged "table" and then put the main unit on top. My delivery included assembly by the delivery people, but I heavily assisted them, as I had compulsively read the assembly instructions about five times (in two languages) and they of course hadn't (first of all because they are handymen who of course don't have to read instructions, ever, and second because this was of course the first NV10 they have ever delivered).

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Congrats! Nice looking piano in a very nice and cozy looking room! May you have great pleasure with that piano!


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On [Re: JoBert] #2711697
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Cool. Nice bench, by the way.


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It does look fantastic! And I also admired the bench. Didn't pay much attention to the room though, but now that CyberGene pointed it out, let's imagine an acoustic next to the fireplace - I'm sure it would love the warmth and temperature changes *wink wink*

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Originally Posted by mcoll
It does look fantastic! And I also admired the bench.

Yes, my wonderful Andexinger bench. My christmas gift from 2016. I'm very happy with it and agree, it matches well with the NV10.

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Didn't pay much attention to the room though, but now that CyberGene pointed it out, let's imagine an acoustic next to the fireplace - I'm sure it would love the warmth and temperature changes *wink wink*

Ha! Fortunately that's a decorative ethanol fireplace without a chimney. I'm planning to move it further along the wall. Not just because of the heat near the piano, but also because it's simply too close purely for visual/layout reasons.

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Originally Posted by JoBert
So I have to wait until tomorrow until I dare to actually play it! cry


You are a patient man!!!

Osho


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Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


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Originally Posted by karvala



I think that's a very interesting point. Yamaha have not, to my knowledge at least, stated a specific grand mechanism from which their AvantGrand action is taken. That does make me suspect that it was put together specifically for the AvantGrands, and as such you have to question the extent to which it is a real grand action. The NV10 explicitly uses the Millennium III action, and from your description, does indeed feel like a GL-30 acoustic grand which uses that action.

From what you and Jobert have said, it seems that Kawai have once again taken the lead on keyboard action. Now they just need to sort out marketing, distribution and electronics. laugh


This is just a marketing strategy. Kawai explicitly says they use Millennium III action for most of their acoustic grand pianos. Such a statement is not necessary. I have tried the N2 and N3 and their action feels very nice and authentic. I am confident of what I am saying as I was a piano major in the university.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


I tested it against a GL-30 ATX and a couple of GXs, and other than texture of the keys (the blacks are matte plastic-ish on the NV10 and the GX had ivory-feel whites), the NV10 felt remarkably identical to the acoustics. I really think you're getting exactly what you would expect action-wise, it doesn't feel like a "baby grand" but that could be because Kawai's actions feel consistent through much of their range?

For me, this is in contrast to the AvantGrands, which also have real acoustic actions but didn't feel very similar at all to a C3X or C7 when I tried it (but did feel similar to a GB1K).


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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Interesting review. I would be interested in how it compares to a baby grand piano with the silent option.


I tested it against a GL-30 ATX and a couple of GXs.

I really think you're getting exactly what you would expect action-wise, it doesn't feel like a "baby grand" but that could be because Kawai's actions feel consistent through much of their range?

I'm interested in how the the whole package (action and sound, over headphones and into the room) compares to a baby grand with silent in the same price range, because that is what the Novus is competing against (while conventional digital pianos compete against upright pianos in the same price range). I see no point in putting a GX grand against it.

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Congratulations on your purchase.

The bench looks like a Andexinger Bench.

Is it standard that comes with NV10?

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Wow! What an absolutely beautiful piano. It seems to me that the NV10 might be the pinnacle of digital greatness.

Congratulations.

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by JoeT
I'm interested in how the the whole package (action and sound, over headphones and into the room) compares to a baby grand with silent in the same price range, because that is what the Novus is competing against.

I cannot speak about how they compare, because I never tested a baby grand with silent, but I can say that, at least here in Germany, there actually isn't a fair competition between the two, because here those two are not in the same price range: At Thomann, the GL10 with ATX2 currently costs 13,000€ (down from 16,900€ MSRP), the NV10 only 9,000€ (down from 9,590€ MSRP, all prices with tax included). So the GL10ATX2 is almost 50% more expensive than the NV10 at street price (and even more so at list price).

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The bench looks like a Andexinger Bench.

Is it standard that comes with NV10?

Good eyes. Yes it is indeed an Andexinger. But no, it didn't come with the piano, I already had it before.

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