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Other people do Piano Marvel? #2710598
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So I wonder if there are adult beginners here who try the self-study with Piano Marvel method. I myself am now working on level 3b in method, and I can't get Arabia fast 100% played. I also find the technique of level 3 far too difficult in relation to the method. Like opinions, maybe advise from you, thank you:)


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
So I wonder if there are adult beginners here who try the self-study with Piano Marvel method. I myself am now working on level 3b in method, and I can't get Arabia fast 100% played. I also find the technique of level 3 far too difficult in relation to the method. Like opinions, maybe advise from you, thank you:)


I do Piano Marvel. I also found Arabia difficult.

And I also found the technique of level 3 more difficult than the method.

But I got through it.

Piano is something where you can level off in skill for a while. This is very annoying. The secret is to practice slowly and then one day, what seemed very hard will just be under the fingers.

It can be frustrating waiting for that to happen. but I don't know a shortcut.

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I got a trial account somewhere around the late middle of November 2017 and upgraded just before the 30 days was up on 14th December with a years subscription. I just finished January with over 2600 minutes logged that month. So I use it a lot grin (for those of you who don't know - Piano Marvel only logs time when you are playing the keyboard against a particular piece of music where Piano Marvel is noting if your are playing the right notes or not)

As I've stated elsewhere I just scraped a grade 3 exam at age 10 and then stopped for 56 years starting again last September. My original reason for joining Piano Marvel was to improve my sight reading, and I have taken a sight reading test every day since - when I started I was in the low 300s, but I am slowly getting better and am consistently in the 400s now and about a week ago I briefly broke 500 (517).

I started the Method and Technique sections at level 4, and have been slowly working along that level - in the Method I am half way through 4D making sure everything prior is at 100%. This afternoon I completed from the 4D exercise 4. "Major Scales and Chords" up to exercise 10. "I do not like this chord". And in the technique section I am stuck in section 4E on the Bb major half combo . Although I made slow progress initially along level 4, I would spend about 10% of my time on level 4 and most of the rest of my time "filling in", starting at level 1 and working upwards - again ensuring everything was at 100% before proceeding. It was near the end of January that I completed everything prior to level 4.

Why - because I am hooked. Its like a video game, the drive to get 100% is frustrating but rewarding when you get there.

I was struggling with Arabia at first, but I found the trick with all of the ones with slightly strange rhythms is to enter practice mode and rigorously work through each section at each of the tempos in Assess Mode until you get 100%. If you feel its a fluke then I try again until I get 100% again. Once I have made 100% in all of the sections (I sometimes emit the practice of the full thing - depends whether I feel like I need to take it slowly at first - although many of the tunes are split at the none practice level as slow and normal speed) I return out of practice mode and then repeatedly run Assess until I get 100%.

The big difficult for me with Piano Marvel for everything is the rigorous tempo and lack of check on dynamics. With my piano teacher I am learning some Beethoven, and although they have now put that into Piano Marvel and chopped and minced it (after I raised a request) I find it unplayable. To get the expression I need to slow down at places and when I get out of sync thats it. So I regard Piano Marvel as something to to sit alongside my normal practice which I always try and do as much as is sensible first, before starting my Piano Marvel session.

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I also did the Hymn Sight Reading boot camp, and am currently half way through the level 5 of the Classical Music sight reading bootcamp


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2710731
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I've recently restarted Piano Marvel and I'm also on Level 3B, lesson 4. I haven't tackled Arabia yet, but I've found, like akc42 says above, that Practice Mode is always the answer. Break it down, take it slow, and you'll get there! smile

I find Piano Marvel is fantastic at improving my sight reading, and getting me to hit the right keys, but terrible at teaching how to play musically. I currently use it alongside Sound of Emotions to explore dynamics and expression.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: TrevorM] #2710749
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I'm 65 years old and started with Marvel in december 2016. I'm now in level 3B and have 100% on everything, only Arabia fast not. I give up on technique because my ambition is to have fun and learn some songs. When i'm finished learning in Marvel and get the 100% I print out the songs that I like to play, and the nice ones...I have a map now and I can play whenever I feel like it and ; slow or fast and with feeling.
Another question for Akc42, When you get 100% on every part in practice mode, do you get automaticly the 100% in assess mode? I think that happend on 'Into the woods" fast. I'm also learning Beethoven Moonlight sonata, is that the song you asked for? There are a few mistakes...reading E but must play as F...and you'r right, i like to play that very slow and with a lot of emotion, impossible in Marvel, so it wil end up in my map one of the next years wink


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Another question for Akc42, When you get 100% on every part in practice mode, do you get automaticly the 100% in assess mode? I think that happend on 'Into the woods" fast. I'm also learning Beethoven Moonlight sonata, is that the song you asked for? There are a few mistakes...reading E but must play as F...and you'r right, i like to play that very slow and with a lot of emotion, impossible in Marvel, so it wil end up in my map one of the next years wink


The first answer is yes (I think. I normally don't go that far). But I am pretty sure that one time I did, came out into normal mode and felt cheated, so went for 100% again.

I learnt the first movement of Moonlight Sonata as the first piece when I started again in September last year before I had heard of Piano Marvel. It took me about 2 months to get it to a reasonably polished state - but only because my teacher was able to point at where I was going wrong and direct me to fix it. The Beethoven Sonata that I asked them to chop and mince was the 2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile). I was exploring possible next pieces after Moonlight and came across this and just thought how beautiful the melody line was. But after a couple of weeks of trying the first few bars I was getting nowhere and put it aside and made a start on some Bach (Two Part Invention 8). At the next lesson I enquired of my teacher whether she thought I had bitten off more than I could chew with the Beethoven. She said if I worked at it hard it would eventually come - I should persevere. So I went back to it.

I normally have a lesson every two weeks - but because of Christmas the gap from that statement and my next lesson was three weeks. By that lesson I could fluently play the first 16 bars although (as in the next lesson my teacher pointed out - the peddling was wrong, leaving the sound "Muddy"), I also had almost memorized the rest, but the playing was very sloppy with lots of mistakes. We have been working on polishing since then. I can play it all the way through now at the correct speed, but I still have problem areas that I have to address, and fix (and I am sure next lesson some more issues will be pointed out to me)

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2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile) is on my wishlist, glad to hear it is already minced smile I feel I would run before I can walk...but hey, time is running out on me. Teacher is nothing for me...she started with childrens songs, and clap hands en sing notes...i hated it. Now I do what i like in Marvel, en learning a lot, sometimes in one day.


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile) is on my wishlist, glad to hear it is already minced smile I feel I would run before I can walk...but hey, time is running out on me. Teacher is nothing for me...she started with childrens songs, and clap hands en sing notes...i hated it. Now I do what i like in Marvel, en learning a lot, sometimes in one day.


I am at least a year older than you (67 in two months) so time isn't on my side either but ...

1) My teacher for me is essential - as I said above Piano Marvel can't help with the dynamics and expression, and to get advanced you need that aspect of playing. My teacher spends most of the time in a lesson covering that part.
2) As I said above I learnt from 5 to 10 and just scraped grade 3. I am not sure how that effected my technique, but I am not being criticised for it and it does seem to come naturally. When we first met, she talked about the Inner Game of Tennis, and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance - both books that I had read in my mid 30s - and the belief that you inner self once it becomes aware will automatically optimize your hand movements. Also that quality is built in the very depth of an activity and just can't be bolted on later as an after thought (at the time I read the book I was exploring quality in software development, but now it should be applied to piano playing). Her approach based on these two principals just jelled with me and is why I chose her. I just bought (following advice I saw on this forum) "Soprano on her Head" which is of similar style. So far she has pretty well let me decide what to learn and play, and only gets tough with me when I don't have the quality built in. In the last lesson I was having difficulty with bars 21 and 22 where there are two sets of grace notes in quick succession. She then urged my to switch off my judgemental self and let my inner self take over and I quickly got it right. This support is helping me progress tremendously. Just before Christmas I didn't think I would ever learn this Adagio Cantabile movement, but just 4 or 5 weeks later I can easily play all the notes, its all memorized, and I don't think I am far behind with the proper dynamics either.
3) Piano Marvel for me is about two things a) Improving Sight Reading and b) Playing strange rhythms in each hand to improve hand independence. The fact it is like an addictive video game just encourages me to use it a lot, but I don't think it could ever be my main tool for getting more advanced.

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We clearly have different ambitions. I just want to play what I find beautiful, simple things like Brahms Lullaby, over the Rainbow and so on. I have never had training and I am sorry about that. But yes when I was young had to learn a girl's household and certainly no music, that was waste of time. frown


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Yeah I killed Arabia Fast, now on to "erie canal, low bridge", last one for me in 3B Nice song, I like it. Found a beautifull voice singing it on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDWIXbb3sQ


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Yeah I killed Arabia Fast


Congratulations.

Last night I completed 4D in the method, and now tackling the first song on 4E called Sunrise. I remember this one from early in 4D in G major, here it is again transposed to F major. It was a challenge in 4D, so its going to be a challenge again.

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In G major there is an f# played by little finger of left hand. I F major thats an E, but I am automatically twisting my hand from the previous memory and keep playing Eb frown

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Finger memory is weird...finished erie canal yesterday, but verse 2 is slightly different from 1 but my fingers keep playing the 1 frase, when my eyes see something else. I have to run to catch up with you smile

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I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?

Irish jig is very hard. Leave it for a bit and come back to it.

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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?


Have you ever read the "Inner Game of Tennis". I talks about your ego giving you commands and your inner self just getting on with the job. The mental job is to switch your ego off - or divert it into a monitoring task the is non judgemental. This Irish Jig needs to you to divert your ego from telling you how to play, and to get it to find out what you are doing wrong.

I hate to break it to you but it gets a lot harder from here. I have (last week) completed all of level 4 (method section) at 100% and I really struggled until I found a way to let go and monitor myself. Then time slows down and you can watch you inner self landing your fingers on the correct notes.

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Originally Posted by akc42
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I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?


Have you ever read the "Inner Game of Tennis". I talks about your ego giving you commands and your inner self just getting on with the job. The mental job is to switch your ego off - or divert it into a monitoring task the is non judgemental. This Irish Jig needs to you to divert your ego from telling you how to play, and to get it to find out what you are doing wrong.

I hate to break it to you but it gets a lot harder from here. I have (last week) completed all of level 4 (method section) at 100% and I really struggled until I found a way to let go and monitor myself. Then time slows down and you can watch you inner self landing your fingers on the correct notes.

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book. I'm also an absolute beginner, read my first note at the age of 64, last year...I think I made a lot of progress since then, but now i'm feeling like I reached my limit.

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Originally Posted by Sarah65

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh

I don't believe that for one moment. My wife claims no ego, but I know that is not true.

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Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book.


Although reading the whole book is interesting, like all these type of books, a simple truth is then stretched into a whole book, and then into a whole series of books (I came to this via the "Inner Game of Golf", and I think by then - although the original book was "The Inner Game of Tennis" there was also an "Inner Game of Skiing" and I have recently seen a book around called the "Inner Game of Music").

The basic idea is simple. There are two parts of you. One is an authoritative figure who commands you to do things and the second is a very quiet person who simply gets on with things and with a bit of feedback will quickly fix any mistakes and automatically do the right thing. Unfortunately for most of us, it is the authoritative us that dominates. Even more so before big occasions when he also feeds you negative thoughts about how badly you are about to muck up.

The big mental trick is divert the authoritative you from getting in the way and to stop it being judgemental. Even better, if you can get it to provide feedback on how you are doing, your quiet self will use that feedback to automatically fix the problem and get better at what you are really trying to do.

The "Inner Game of Tennis" describes a game called "Bounce Hit" used to achieve this. As the ball comes towards you your task is the say "Bounce" as accurately as possible when you actually hit the ball to say "Hit" as accurately on time as possible. This simple exercise diverts that authoritative you to providing feedback - and so the theory goes you automatically get better at hitting the ball. As you get better, you go on to other things - getting the authoritative you to predict where the ball will land, or how much spin you have given it and so on. Crucially, it should be an observer, not a commander.

Of course all this is easier said than done, but when you do achieve it, its a fantastic feeling. Its called "Being in the Zone"*. I have achieved it a few times in my life - once I was playing golf and found an approach that got me into the Zone on each putting green. I could feel my fingers tingling could imagine the path the ball was going to take, and then watched as it took that path and went straight into the hole.

* There is another effect called "Being in the Zone", when you are working on a mental task with absolute concentration and no outside distractions. That is a lot easier to achieve, it normally takes about 15 minutes of concentration and then you get there. As a computer programmer, I regularly could achieve that state. Its a very similar feeling - you are outside yourself looking in.

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Originally Posted by Sarah65

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book. I'm also an absolute beginner, read my first note at the age of 64, last year...I think I made a lot of progress since then, but now i'm feeling like I reached my limit.


Limits exist.

But they are only for a short time.

Limits can be broken with practice. Some practice each day and the limit will sooner or later vanish.

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Yes Yes....I got 100% on Irish jig. Now in 3D and it seems easy, learned a lot in 3C I guess. Thank you all for the help.


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I'm now in 5B. Practicing a piece called "De Colores" where the right hand is all thirds. I seem to have acquired a tiny blister on the tip on one of my fingers. crazy

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I just recently got an iPad and installed the Piano Marvel app. I'm still on a full access 30 day trial. I think I like it okay. I started at the very beginning on Feb 15th so I'm still on Level 1D and just working through the exercises until I score 100% before moving on. I try to do 4-5 exercises each night, plus work out of my Alfred's method book too. I've logged 97 minutes as of last night.

Aren't there supposed to be videos that you watch? They don't seem to work for me.

I need to learn to calm down when I do the SASR. I feel pressured and then I mess up. My score so far is only 225 and I know I can do better.

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Something went wrong with Piano Marvel yesterday. It says I did 436,479 practice minutes yesterday. That's nearly one years (24/7) worth in one day.

GidgetKeys - some of the Lessons and also some of the exercises have videos Lesson 1D has a video showing (or rather a button to press that says "LESSON VIDEO" ) up at the top just above the list of exercises. But I am using a laptop, so it may be different to the iPad. I expect your login will work on any PC, so you if the iPad doesn't show it maybe you can look at a PC.

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Just tried that video, and it says unavailable - seems its been removed.

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I completed 5B in the method section, Following "De Coleres" which I mentioned above, they introduce 4 harmony (each hand plays two "voices"). There is then a really lovely piece called "A lonely walk" that exercises that concept. I really enjoyed learning that

Then the Alberti Bass pattern is introduced and I learnt three pieces using that, including a more difficult version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

In 5C its more or less dedicated to learning Cannon in C, and that looks like a fun journey. I just started and completed the first 9 measures, but there is along way to go.

In the technique section I am stuck on the penultimate exercise "Hannon 5". I made 99% one time, but the descending part on the left hand has fingering 5 4 5 3 4 2 3 1 and I am struggling with getting the second "5" to sound. The previous exercise was LH only, and although it took a few goes to get right I have been repeatedly able to get 100% in that, but as soon as I put both hands together - something happens to the left hand, Despite trying all sorts of tricks to do my "Inner Game of Tennis" method of observing, I can't find out (other than the obvious lack of dexterity in the left hand between 5 and 4) what is causing me to miss out the second 5 in the sequence. I am now just playing the first 4 notes (both hands) in each descending level, and the second 5 is now coming out - but I can't do it reliably yet, and the odd attempt to add even one of the second four notes in the sequence is stopping the second 5 from working. I spent about an hour last night and 3 hours today failing to do this so it time for a rest today. frown

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Took a break and then went back to Hannon #5 and cracked it. yippie

I found the secret was to emphasise arm rotation to force my fingers to hit the keys as a result of the rotation. A few minutes later I also cracked the last exercise in Techincal 5A, so can now move on to 5B.

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So I've worked up to level 3 in the method section and it's basically still just the same stuff I've already covered in my method book but having to really concentrate on timing is really helpful.

I'm excited, though, that I've cracked 300 on the SASR. I still had 1 strike left and my wifi blinked out and it kicked me out, so I'm hopeful that next time I'll do even better!


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

I'm excited, though, that I've cracked 300 on the SASR. I still had 1 strike left and my wifi blinked out and it kicked me out, so I'm hopeful that next time I'll do even better!


Do it regularly and you will improve. I have taken the SASR test every day since I first signed up for an account (end Nov last year), when I first started I was in the low 300s, now I am in the top end of 400 every day and pretty regularly actually get above 500. I did post on here (or maybe achievement of the day thread) when I first broke 500. Now its a regular occurence.

If you fail because of connection problems, just take the test again. It remembers the last test result in any one day (as far as I can tell, its only happened a few times - normally I forget to put my headphones on and start the test only to realise I can't hear anything)

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"Something went wrong with Piano Marvel yesterday. It says I did 436,479 practice minutes yesterday. That's nearly one years (24/7) worth in one day."


My Marvel says I did -1500246 practice minutes wink When you click on reports, you can see the actual practice time. I'm now on 2115...well done me smile I finaly got the 3C strugle done, The G major to minor ... never say never again. I take the SASR test every time I have 5 min free time...the highest score of the day stays on de graph. I panic every time something with both hands together comes up, you know parallel motion or something like that...I now downloaded it from the library and its simple in fact, no need for panic.


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As I stated above Lesson 5C in the Method Section is dedicated to learn Cannon in C. This is similar but different to Pachelbel's Cannon in D.

After over a week of slowly completing all the practice sessions of the 5C Method lesson, I got everything completed to 100%. The only thing left to do was the last exercise - play the whole piece.

Last Thursday I started and it took about a day to practice that at all the slower tempii and got 100% - but then trying to do it at full tempo - no way could I get above about 95%. Then over the weekend I pushed it up to 98%, and then late Sunday evening to 99%. Trying as hard as I could on Monday I failed to get past 99%.

Then this morning with an hour to spare before my piano lesson, I decided I would try see if I could crack it before my teacher arrived (she travels to her pupils). After about three goes at 99% again, I was just about to give up and put it away until after my lesson when I scored the magic 100%.

So thats 5C completed - on to 5D

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Congratulations, that's very well done, I'm just going to look at that piece, that I never succeed I think. My experience is if you get 99% 1 time that the 100% is comming soon. I had the same thing with the boogie (12 bars Blues) that I have to play 500 times in practice mode only the first part! The 100% took off, and the last part is even more difficult, you remember, C-G-F-C and then that high C in the end . That part I have had to practise another 556 times but with the previous C because I always had the transition from C to G wrong. But I did it, about 5 minutes ago, I'm proud of myself:) I wonder if your level 6 will be go so quickly, but you had the advantage of having had all the lessons, I really started from 0 in December 2016. Success still:)
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Congratulations on the Boogie - I completed that at the end of January, so you are only a little way behind me. cool

I am working my way down 5D, currently stuck on "Tarentella" - got the slow one done yesterday, but it suddenly becomes much harder at speed.

One of my all time favourites was further up - called the "Russian Dance". Not particularly difficult but it really swings along. In E minor gives it that typical Russian feel. Reminds me of Cossacks dancing.

My sight reading is going backwards - the 10 day graph shows a downward trend, and yesterday I went below the 473 level for the first time in a long time. At one point yesterday I scored a 100% on a sight reading piece and got just 1 point for it cursing

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Yes I know, the SASR test is not always fair, sometimes I already have about 400 points after 3 songs, and sometimes I do 20 (above 80%) and I do not have 400 points yet. They may explain this point count smile I found something else in my favorites you might be happy with. An extensive collection of classic pieces in RAR. It is midi, but if you use musescore you can export those Midis to PDF and XML and you can upload them in Marvel and create your own library. Have fun with it. http://www.kuhmann.com/Yamaha.htm


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I haven't tried to create an Music.XML yet, but it sounds a great idea for when I get to the end of the exercises in the Method Section of Piano Marvel. I just watched a video where a music professor was talking about uploading and using all the course material for an existing course at BYU (not sure were that is - somewhere in the US I assume) in Piano Marvel. I think he uses Piano Marvel as a teacher to understand his undergraduates progress. This material is in the library, so that might be an option to get more stuff to try.

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Yep, Piano Marvel is much more then method and technique. You can download entire SASR tests...and the more difficult things like Hanon and Czerny and ABRSM tests....I learned more from my personal library then from the Marvel lessons smile Get to work on it and good luck laugh
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I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?


Why don't you subscribe initially on a monthly basis, and then go to the full year when you get your refund?

I am sure the web site says somewhere about what is left after the 30 days expires, but I don't have it to hand right how. Something about only 10 different Sight Reading songs, not sure about the rest

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I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?

Here you can see it:
https://www.pianomarvel.com/users/subscribe


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I was feeling quite good about PIano Marvel today as I completed 5D in the Method Section and 5C in the technique.

BUT .. its suddenly become so slow as to be unusable.Its taking something like a minute to load a new song, or to log in. So I will give up for the rest of the day and try again tomorrow.

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When it go's slow, reinstall the plugin and choose repair. I have to do that once a week...at least.
I hate TV (syncopation), At full speed it's impossible for me (I have a paralyzed left pinkie) Why am I doing this to myself? :p


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When it go's slow, reinstall the plugin and choose repair.

I have a Mac, so I think I just force quit the plugin and it restarts. But I will give it a go

I did actually get back to it after an hour or so, it it appeared to working smoothly again, I am now trying to move "The Star-Spangled Banner" from 90% to 100%. I've done the slow version, so this should be straight forward to sort this out at speed. It just the last line I probably have't memorised the jumps for it yet.

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Question: Is it useful to learn all the right hand chords as well? Or do they come only in the Marvel exercises? If those do not occur much in classical music or pop songs I do not want to put my time in learning those, its hard enough as it is smile

Succes with your 100% speed is always harder.

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I would say in general Chord (and related things like broken chords etc) come more frequently in the LH, but they do happen in the right hand - often as well a chord is shared between hands.

PS = Got my 100% on The Star-Spangled Banner

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Congratulations with you 100%, I do not like those American traditionals. I am still fighting with TV (3E), it will take some time. frown


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I completed (both slow and fast) the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" today and had to use a new way of practicing, since this piece really didn't have much in the way of practicing, other than RH, then LH then all together at slow speed and all together at super fast speed (20% above required speed).

Slow speed is 60 bpm

So having managed to score 100% at slow speed, I had no real way of building up to the default tempo of 100 for the fast version (practice for that was to try and do it at 120). So I used the Player Controls, set the speed to 80 and played it until I got it pretty well correct (off tempo you don't get a score, but you can see if there any red notes after you've done as "Assess"). I then repeated at 85, then 90 and then 95, before finally resetting tempo to 100. That enabled me to get there, where as jumping straight in at 100 bpm I was getting no where (could not score above 89%)

Sarah65 if your left pinkie isn't working you will have real issues with this, the left hand is playing C -> EG (as a two note chord), B->EG, A->EG, G->EG, F->CF, A->CF and back to C->EG

I just looked back at TV (In 3E) to remind myself what it was. When I learnt from Ages 5->10 I always said that I had got stuck because I couldn't separate my hands and play different rhythms in each hand (like patting your head with one hand and drawing a circle on your chest with the other). This piece got me out of that for the first time - and I can now also pat my head and draw a circle on my chest, whereas I couldn't before.

I found the secret for me was to let the left get into steady rhythm, but hardly concentrate on it - just enough to know it was happening, and put all the energy into ensuring the right hand played the correct (slightly syncopated) tune. Hard to describe exactly, but I sort of felt my left hand was on autopilot

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I sometimes use the same way to speed up, sometimes I turn tempo slower and sometimes much faster, and then it works for the "normal fast speed" I also sometimes do left hand and right hand to play separately in the "fast" until I can get them both very well. Problem with my pink, I sometimes use (if it can) the 4th finger as a pink. But by playing a lot I am experiencing that pinkie with the chords is already very nice without having too much trouble. It is only as in "TV" always the same movement and then still move quickly from C;A;G;F back to C ... that it becomes very difficult. I am also waiting for that magical moment to move left and right independently, but that still takes a while I think. I see the rest of 3E as a mountain where I don't come across... maybe "morning mood" because I know that and can play it a bit. It is also almost time to start in the garden, and I think to much on flowers and veggies and not enough piano smile


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I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.


Congratulations - its a great feeling when you get a new high.

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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.

I bet your mistake was not as stupid as mine... In the beginning I once had a whole song left and right hand just swapped... that's very stupid, score was 3% laugh I must have hit one note correctly. Congrats, up to 400 soon.


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Still fighting with TV... what's that hard! and have you beat level 6 already akc42? smile


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Remember how I said that I hadn't got to Arabia in 3B? Well, now I have… and I've been stuck on the fast version for a few days. The slow version I can play fine. I'll get there. smile


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I finished Level 5 in the Technique section. Not the last thing that I did there, but one that took me 2 days to master was to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in each of the 12 keys, one after the other without any errors.

After that there was a couple of exercises where you have to transpose music to a different key without seeing the music for it - that was fun.

On the Method Section I am working my way through Lesson 5E. You will see I just posted in 40 Pieces A year that I have learnt 90 pieces of music in the Method Section (from somewhere in Level 3 to where I am now) since the beginning of 2018. The last piece completed at 100% was Silver Lit Night (which I posted a link to a soundcloud version at 98% that I quickly produced a day or so later just as a demonstration - as its rather nice) which I finished on 23rd March. Since then I have been working on "Memories" which has taken a while, since I was not at home much of Saturday and today and not at the Piano much of Sunday. I'm still working on the practice sessions, about to start bar 25 (out of 37 in total), so still a little way to go. Just got in from work (one of my 3 days a month smile ) and about to start at the piano.

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Remember how I said that I hadn't got to Arabia in 3B? Well, now I have… and I've been stuck on the fast version for a few days. The slow version I can play fine. I'll get there. smile

Yes, eventually you get there. I had that with every piece of level three, the fast version took days to weeks... but I kept trying every day and suddenly it says 100% smile

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Originally Posted by akc42
I finished Level 5 in the Technique section. Not the last thing that I did there, but one that took me 2 days to master was to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in each of the 12 keys, one after the other without any errors.
After that there was a couple of exercises where you have to transpose music to a different key without seeing the music for it - that was fun.


I will not do that, I hate "twinkle Twinkle" from the beginning, it really can't hear it anymore because it took me so long before I had the 100% (level 2 I guess). I'm not going to do technique , is too boring and too monotonous, I prefer to play songs. That "Silver Lit Night" is really a nice piece, I hope I'm ever get so far smile I always have difficulty getting back on tempo if, for whatever reason, I can't play a few days. Today we had no internet, and last night I was at 99% with TV, but I already know that tomorrow I will have to practice back the slow version before I can play again the fast one. It's a song where you learn to find your keys without looking, and that's finally very important when playing piano I think...

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I'm so frustrated right now! I went ahead and upgraded my PM account to a subscription finally. I got a confirmation email but it's not registering in my app. Sorry....just had to vent.

Did you try to logout...login again? Send them an email...i'm sure it will be ok smile


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
It's a song where you learn to find your keys without looking, and that's finally very important when playing piano I think...


On the piece I am trying to play now, "Memories", there is a small section where the left hand has to play a low D# followed by D# and octave higher along with the A# above that, twice, then Dnatural and Dnatural with A# twice, then C# with C# and A# twice, and finally Cnatural and then Cnatural with A# (once) then G#

I eventually nailed that small section (including RH) in practice at full tempo, and my hands were bouncing up and down the keyboard, and seemingly just playing the right notes without me having to look.

I have watched for sometime people playing Chopin, where the left hand on the first beat of the bar plays a low note, followed by two higher chords one after the other on the 2nd and 3rd beats, and wondered how it was done. Now with "Memories" I am beginning to see how it is done.

Of course, I am now practicing measures 17-37 (which includes this section) and am nowhere even at the slow tempo. I must stop posting on here and get back to it whistle

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Sounds very complicated, I also sometimes dread what your fingers do when you don't think about what you're actually doing, and by the scare I stop playing laugh
Why is it so much harder to find the piano keys without looking then the letters and numbers on the keyboard of the computer. I can already type blind from my 12 years, and actually that is more difficult because there are 6 rows of keys on top of each other. At piano, everything is next to each other, so you might think... hahaha not :p


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Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece

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Originally Posted by akc42
Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece

You can create your own practice mode in "upload song" from the PDF files (Marvel level 6) you create a MIDI with Photoscore and you can edit it in Musescore and save it as *. Xml. If you want to I'll try to do it for you, you have helped me a lot smile


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Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece

You can create your own practice mode in "upload song" from the PDF files (Marvel level 6) you create a MIDI with Photoscore and you can edit it in Musescore and save it as *. Xml. If you want to I'll try to do it for you, you have helped me a lot smile


I already downloaded the full piece from Musescore (the level 6 piece is only to the first repeat) - and have uploaded into my library. So no need for you to go to the trouble. In actual fact I have been playing Hands Separate and can do both with no errors (you just don't get a very high score) and am about to go do a stint and try and put it together.

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Originally Posted by akc42
The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece


Yeah, I had a peek at level 6 and it seems pretty devoid of any help videos. It's pretty much, "you're on you own now!" laugh


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"You're on You own now!" starts in Level 4. They think that most of us don't get any further, so why bother. I think level 4-5-6 is not possible without teacher in real life.


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
"You're on You own now!" starts in Level 4. They think that most of us don't get any further, so why bother. I think level 4-5-6 is not possible without teacher in real life.


Hah. Ah well, I hope the PDFs are at least slightly instructive. smile

Whenever I feel I need motivation, I pull up this post from Erik BerikHerik. I wonder if he finished the course…? http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...at-400-h-on-piano-marvel-looks-like.html


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Actually now I've got into Method Level 6A a bit more, the first piece doesn't really need a practice mode - its the first of 7 exercises all around the same Minuet in G minor - adding ornaments (mordents, turns and trills). I currently trying to nail exercise 3, which is playing the A section with ornaments.

And my attempts to upload a song and work with it have failed. I get the first bar and nothing more. Gave up for now.

And to get me here (from the beginning) is approximately 8500 minutes - 140 hours.

And @Sarah55, although I have a teacher now, she has not been involved at all in any of my Piano Marvel activities - I do think having a teacher 56 years ago who give me the basics helps though, as does the fact that I've been keeping the Technique section going to the same level.

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I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
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I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations - it feels great, especially when you have been trying for a while.

I tend to move on - you will hit piece after piece if you keep going where you hover around 98%, finally hit 99% and eventually hit your 100%. I started posting my pieces to "40 Year Club" and that has meant going back and trying again - I can get close but not 100%.

There is one place where I don't move on - and that is in practice mode, where I feel the 100% was a fluke, or where I scored 100% but knew I had made an error (on the longer pieces you can make an error and still get 100%)

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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
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Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations, more like that to come laugh I print all the songs I had difficulty with, and from that folder I try to play something occasionally. I forget about it quickly. Like "Arabia" I've certainly played 300 times before I took the 100%, and when I try again from the folder I know nothing anymore. That is the result of my "Alzheimer light" smile


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I print all the songs I had difficulty with, and from that folder I try to play something occasionally.


That's a great idea, Sarah! I think I'll do that. I doubt I'd keep the pace that the app required for that particular piece, but I actually liked it better a little slower.


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

That's a great idea, Sarah! I think I'll do that. I doubt I'd keep the pace that the app required for that particular piece, but I actually liked it better a little slower.

I find the speed of the last pieces (at full speed) always too fast, I also prefer to play slower, otherwise my fingers pass each other smile And it feels so good to be able to read something from a sheet after barely one year, never thought I could ever.


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


By the time I'd 100%ed that piece, I'd had enough of it and move on right away. I tend to just move on, unless it's something I really enjoy playing and, lets be honest, most of the Piano Marvel method pieces aren't things you'd play to entertain!

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My six year old grandson had is first piano lesson with my teacher this last Tuesday. They did no more than learn the notes names (A,B ... etc) and how to find them on the keyboard and also form a nice bridged hand in the C position - with his homework being to write down in his book how to find all the notes by reference to where they were in relation to the black keys, and also to practice playing a rising scale with his hand so that whilst he is playing a note all the others remain glued to the keys. Yesterday he came over to my house and had completed the first part of his homework, so I showed him Piano Marvel and the very first exercise in the Technique Section. He played it over and over until he got 100%. It was fascinating to watch how the feeling of counting the beats slowly started to enter his brain, and then how co-ordinating his finger with the beat slowly came to him. Learning in action.

This morning I had to babysit him and his 4 year old brother, as their mother works and its the school easter holidays. I went over to his house early this morning. He had a few goes playing his scale with his other fingers glued to the keys and more or less achieved it (4th finger still a bit weak), but he then asked if he could go on to Piano Marvel again. I started him off on the second exercise, and he then continued all morning almost without stopping until he had got 100% on all exercises up to No 14. How do you get that much concentration out of a 6 year old boy? It was also clear (after I explained the concepts to him) that he was was really starting to read note lengths from looking at the music. At one point during this "playing" he called me over and pointed at a note on the screen and asked what that meant (it was a Semibrieve (whole note if you are American) - the first one he had come across).

His brother also wanted a go, but struggled to get any sensible score on the 1st exercise. However he was determined - and repeated it over an over again until he also got 100%. It probably took him 30 minutes. Again, you could watch this 4 year old beginning to pick up the beat and count. And he just wanted to stick with it. Normally his attention span is about 5 minutes with anything. Incidentally he had preciously called me upstairs to his bedroom where he has a small toy piano and proudly told me that he could find C. And he did. His brother had taught him.

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Awww.... that's so wonderful! I hope you'll keep us apprised of their progress. Sounds like you have 2 budding pianists there. I think that Piano Marvel holds attention like a video game but at least it's educational. I think if I'd had these types of tools available to me when I was a kid, I wouldn't have given up so easily.


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I think if I'd had these types of tools available to me when I was a kid, I wouldn't have given up so easily.


Me neither - I never practiced as a kid. Reading the Piano Teachers forum, I would have been thrown out long ago - but I wasn't and had lessons every week for 5 years.

Although I didn't achieve much in those 5 years (scraped a grade 3), the lasting legacy I have now from then appears to be both a fairly inbuild ability to how to actually position and play with my hands, and a strong understanding of a reasonable level of theory.

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My grandchildren also all play a instrument (or two) and they are also fond of Marvel. I think it's great to teach kids that way to play piano, much more pleasant than hours of hand slap and Doremi drill and counting...


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Originally Posted by akc42
I....... had lessons every week for 5 years.

Although I didn't achieve much in those 5 years (scraped a grade 3), the lasting legacy I have now from then appears to be both a fairly inbuild ability to how to actually position and play with my hands, and a strong understanding of a reasonable level of theory.

Don't underestimate what you learnt as a kid. I've met many lapsed adult pianists in the past few years - the vast majority of whom gave up between Grade 3 to 5 -, and it still surprises me how, when they sit down at the piano (after some gentle persuasion from me wink ) for the first time since they stopped lessons in their teens, they look like real pianists in the way they position their hands and use their fingers. Almost all of them can still read music too, and have a good level of aural skills.

It's like learning to swim or cycle - once you've achieved a certain degree of competency (especially as a kid, and was reasonably well taught), you never really lose it.

Incidentally, another thing I found was that if they've gone beyond Grade 5, they almost always go on to achieve their Grade 8. Which makes sense, as it means that they had passed Grade 5 Theory, which is all they need to do Grade 8 Practical.....and why wouldn't you, when you've got that far?


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This looks interesting:



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Thank you GidgetKeys and good luck laugh

I can't do that, thumbs on B and D, and that's so typical Hal Leonard. Last year I tried with a teacher and she also used those books from Hal Leonard, it feels so awfully strange for me to share the middle C with your thumbs and your hands so close together, I just can't do it. Fail in the bootcamp already at level 1 laugh. And in Marvel I'm working on level 3E. Why would they want to teach that? Hands on C and G is much more logical, feels better also. Anyone have an explanation for it?


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I'm really enjoying the Hal Leonard Popular Piano Boot Camp. Went to check out the books but they seem to have a different set of songs to the ones on Piano Marvel. I think perhaps PM is using an old, out-of-print, edition of the book. Still fun, tho.

I also noticed that if you search "boot camp" in the music library, there's also a Classical Boot Camp (Levels 3-10) and Disney Boot Camp (Levels 5-7, although 7 seems to be empty).


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Finally nailed exercises 1 to 7 of Method Level 6A based on, but not the same, as Pretzold's Minuet in G minor. Its all about trills, and the exercise puts them in all the un-natural places it could find. I am trying to record the proper thing for the 40 pieces a year club, but the real trills are causing me issues.

The next set of exercises look, right now, as an impossible wall to climb. In essence it is Bach's Prelude No 1 (BWV 846) - but its played at speed and there is no practice modes at all. I have requested them from Piano Marvel, as the only way I can see of achieving this is to learn in small and slow chunks.

I've tried uploading this as my own song from Musescore so I can break it down, but I've got this weird problem (with this and with another uploaded piece of music) in that the tempo in each hand plays differently, causing them to slowly drift out of sync. Again I've e-mailed Piano Marvel about the issue, but not had any reply yet.

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The next set of exercises look, right now, as an impossible wall to climb. In essence it is Bach's Prelude No 1 (BWV 846) - but its played at speed and there is no practice modes at all. I have requested them from Piano Marvel, as the only way I can see of achieving this is to learn in small and slow chunks.


It looks like its available in the Library. Have you tried practicing with that one? It does seem pretty odd that they didn't make it available as chunked in the lessons themselves, though.


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Originally Posted by akc42
Finally nailed exercises 1 to 7 of Method Level 6A based on, but not the same, as Pretzold's Minuet in G minor. Its all about trills, and the exercise puts them in all the un-natural places it could find. I am trying to record the proper thing for the 40 pieces a year club, but the real trills are causing me issues.


Piano lesson with my teacher today - briefly discussed this and I was playing the trills wrong - trying to fit one extra note in. Apparently (according to my teacher) it depends on when in history the music was written as to what the trill symbol actually means.

So, will go back and try it again with the correct trills.

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It looks like its available in the Library. Have you tried practicing with that one?

I'll go look and see. But...

Got to start a new piece with my teacher ("Cool" ABRSM grade 5 piece). Rhythm is very tricky, needs lots of counting so as to hit notes on the offbeat. Piano Marvel is going to have to take a back seat whilst I get this underway.

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Well, I made it through the Level 1 boot camp in the sight reading challenge. A little disappointed with myself at only an 80%. Guess I need to work harder.


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Got to start a new piece with my teacher ("Cool" ABRSM grade 5 piece). Rhythm is very tricky, needs lots of counting so as to hit notes on the offbeat. Piano Marvel is going to have to take a back seat whilst I get this underway.


Interestingly I am actually using Piano Marvel to learn this piece. On Thursday I sat down with Musescore and entered (with the help of my piano) the entire score of Cool into it. Then I tried to load it into Piano Marvel, but for some reason it would only load the first 17 bars. So I contacted the Piano Marvel support team and explained the issue, and they looked into it, discovered some problems and redid the score for me using Finale on Windows.

Problems they fixed were
  • Grace notes are made as a very short note in a separate voice at the end of the bar before
  • Tied notes across bars have to be in the same voice in each bar
  • Separate voices in a bar can't start near the end without the correct number of rests before hand (Musescore can start a voice mid bar, but Piano Marvel shifts to the beginning of the bar)
  • The piece has an 8va sign for the last few notes, with might have been the problem which caused Piano Marvel not to load the whole piece (they deleted my last bar and re-entered it - but forgot to add the 8va - more below)


They loaded the piece up for me, but also e-mailed me back the corrected .mid and .xml file

When I checked what they had done it wasn't perfect, in that the last 4 notes didn't have the 8va sign and therefore were an octave too low and they had lost the swing time (which is a key component for the first 90% of the music, when it reverts to the standard steady beat)

So I tried correcting it with Musescore - that just managed to screw the .xml files up again so that the voicing and tied note problems mentioned above appeared in the piece

In the end, looked at the .xml file they had sent me in a text editor - worked out where the last 4 notes were and manually altered the .xml to play those notes higher. I also produced the .mid file with the correct swing in it using Musescore.

I have now loaded these revised files into Piano Marvel and then created the chopped practice sessions breaking down the piece natural 4(ish) bar sections at 60, 90 and 144 bpm and now started playing the piece in Piano Marvel!

And so far I have scored 100% on the chopped exercises for bars 1-5, 5-9, 1-9 and 10-13 at all three tempos, so well on my way!

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Wow, akc42, that sounds very technical and complicated!


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Yes it was a bit technical and complicated - but having been a computer programmer for the last 56 years (since I was 11 years old) it doesn't phase me anymore. I must say wonderful help from Piano Marvel support and a fantastic end result

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Yes, Piano Marvel does have wonderful support. I've had a few email exchanges with the support staff and the owner, Aaron Garner, and they've been very receptive, communicative, and helpful, including on an outage that happened Friday night. One of their support people told me about an amazing "undocumented" feature which has really helped me tremendously.

Do the other Piano Marvel users though notice an occasional lag at the start of the metronome? I've had the pieces get out of sync on my Windows 10 machine where the position pointer, background music, and the metronome are a fraction of a beat out-of-sync -- maybe 10% of the time. PianoMarvel did send me some beta software to try out and see if it resolves this, and having been in IT 35 years, I have an aversion to anything that is "beta", but I think I will go try it soon. (I've also sent a PM on this forum to the other PianoMarvel users on a related issue.)


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yippie

I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations - it feels great, especially when you have been trying for a while.

I tend to move on - you will hit piece after piece if you keep going where you hover around 98%, finally hit 99% and eventually hit your 100%. I started posting my pieces to "40 Year Club" and that has meant going back and trying again - I can get close but not 100%.

There is one place where I don't move on - and that is in practice mode, where I feel the 100% was a fluke, or where I scored 100% but knew I had made an error (on the longer pieces you can make an error and still get 100%)


I have a self-imposed hurdle (because I'm OCD), I don't move on from a piece in the system until I am error-free two consecutive attempts. Even a single error, and my "counter" resets to zero. haha. As PianoMarvel users know, you can be 100% and still have errors. I first encountered Arabia on Wednesday. I finally was error-free twice in a row at the full speed version yesterday. Probably took 3 hrs of practicing. And I'd like to conclude with "may I never see it again" smile

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Has anyone found a live human teacher that uses PianoMarvel for paid "distance learning" lessons? I went to the list of PianoMarvel teachers on the website, and it seems most are inactive now.


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There is a Piano Marvel group on Facebook but there doesn't seem to be much activity there and only 247 members. I also saw a Piano Marvel Teachers group which does seem to have current activity. Perhaps you could connect with a teacher there.


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
There is a Piano Marvel group on Facebook but there doesn't seem to be much activity there and only 247 members. I also saw a Piano Marvel Teachers group which does seem to have current activity. Perhaps you could connect with a teacher there.


Thanks GidgetKeys. I took a quick peek at the latter Facebook page and it is clear that I'd only need to post a note there and there would be teachers offering lessons. I may do that after I get through Level 6 since even at level 6, this would be something like early intermediate I suppose.

In fact, if anyone does have any idea of what level one would be at when one finishes Piano Marvel Level 6 Method/Techniques, for example on the ABRSM or RCM scale, I'd love to know.


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I think the issue of how far Piano Marvel can take you is confusing - and may be also why the teachers group is minimal

Firstly, despite what they say, PianoMarvel is good for Rhythm and Accuracy, but is useless at Dynamics and Expression. You can't introduce rubato into a piece because you would immediately drop out of sync.

So whilst it is good at motivating beginners to learn the basics and do some of the technical exercises, to actually play expressively a piece of music is not really possible. I can't remember when I did my grade 3 exactly what it was like, but what I do have is the piano books that my teacher was using at the time (about 1961). She didn't use pencil as teachers do these days, but a fountain pen with bright green ink. These books are plastered with Dynamic Markings written by her, so I am pretty certain that by the time you get to that level you are formally expected to put expression in your playing.

My guess is teachers might initially think PianoMarvel is great, but soon come to the realisation that it cannot be everything once a pupil has reached a certain level and that would be fairly early on.

On the other hand, scales arpeggios and chords - the staple of the Technique Sections - if you look at the last exercise it has scales in every key. I think that is partially grade 5 territory (although there are a few other grade 5 technical requirements like contrary motion scales).

My own experience is that I have a teacher who is teaching me to play music - I am using Piano Marvel to improve getting my fingers to do what my brain wants them to.

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Originally Posted by akc42
...My guess is teachers might initially think PianoMarvel is great, but soon come to the realisation that it cannot be everything once a pupil has reached a certain level and that would be fairly early on.

On the other hand, scales arpeggios and chords - the staple of the Technique Sections - if you look at the last exercise it has scales in every key. I think that is partially grade 5 territory (although there are a few other grade 5 technical requirements like contrary motion scales).

My own experience is that I have a teacher who is teaching me to play music - I am using Piano Marvel to improve getting my fingers to do what my brain wants them to.


This was my sense which is why I thought long term what this system would be best for is putting up my own exercises, such as Czerny, Hanon, Bartok, etc. and playing those to develop stuff like finger independence, that doesn't require dynamics (or not much anyways). I know the Library already has some of these exercises, but I've been thinking about putting in a lot more. I think this tool could be very good at improving piano techniques (at least those that don't involve dynamics).


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I do not use Piano Marvel, but it does sound great for developing accuracy in Notes and rhythm. However, just some unsolicited advice, FWIW: Structure your piano practice where you are also heavily including developing dynamics and phrasing by playing music independent of a system.

There are many ways to develop accuracy by also using repertoire such as Bach for independence and voicing. ..... Mozart for precision, etc. No program required and you gain by also developing musicality. Weight your practice time accordingly.

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I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


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I have been trying to find such software to practice sight reading but unfortunately it seems that piano marvel requires a keyboard and won't work with an acoustic. Any alternatives? So far I have been trying yousician and it looks ok but I would be curious to know about others experience.

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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

I find everything in Marvel too fast, the full speed version then. And yes you have to move your fingers so fast that you don't actually remember what you are doing (your brains) and I think it is the intention that you play on autopilot, finger memory or whatever they call it.


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Agreed! I actually did manage to get Arabia to 💯%. But I'm still stuck on that fast version of Low Bridge. It's frustrating that I can't get it. I'm close. I printed the sheet music but it's notated for 8va and for a beginner it kind of throws me off when I'm used to the app working in the lower octave.



Micael K. - I think Simply Piano and Flowkey might both work with acoustic pianos by "listening" but I don't have much experience with either so not sure if either has much in the way of a sight-reading feature.


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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Its only one hand!

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

In 5E you get to play the accompaniment here is my attempt

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Originally Posted by Sarah65
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I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

I find everything in Marvel too fast, the full speed version then. And yes you have to move your fingers so fast that you don't actually remember what you are doing (your brains) and I think it is the intention that you play on autopilot, finger memory or whatever they call it.

Yes, at those speeds it's all muscle memory it seems. Unfortunately my muscles suck at memory.

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Agreed! I actually did manage to get Arabia to 💯%. But I'm still stuck on that fast version of Low Bridge. It's frustrating that I can't get it. I'm close. I printed the sheet music but it's notated for 8va and for a beginner it kind of throws me off when I'm used to the app working in the lower octave.

After 3 days, I got Arabia to 100% too. And that was with Arabia being the only thing I would practice. Obviously it isn't hard in the grand scheme of things (haha - I've been watching too many youtube videos of Lola Astanova, Khatia Buniatishvili, and Valentina Lisitsa, etc.), but from a pedagogical perspective, it seems out of place in Level 3B. Both Arabia and Low Bridge just seem out of place in 3B among the pieces that take 5 mins to play perfectly. They make me feel that the course creators are too far removed from the time they were learning piano themselves.

In the case of Low Bridge, I got to 100% on the 2nd day of dedicated practice, but even at 100%, the best I've been able to do is 3 errors.

Also, I noticed something which is a bug. When the tempo is very fast, even if you get notes out of order but they are played close to the time they are supposed to be played, then the system will display the notes as "green" as if they were played exactly correctly! So for example, at a 130bpm tempo, if there are two eighth notes C and D, and instead you play D and C very quickly but at the right moment (like a trill), both the C and D will display as green even though clearly, out of order notes can't be correct -- at least one of C or D is wrong! This is a flaw in the system and probably results from the programmers inserting a tolerance in time since humans clearly can't play notes exactly to the millisecond when they are supposed to be played. The system probably decides each of the two notes was played close enough to the time they were supposed to be played and so it deems both to be correct, when in this case, it should be making an exception and mark one of these notes wrong.

I've just moved on from Low Bridge but fully intend to return to it daily for a few mins until I can get rid of those remaining, irritating "red" notes that pop up every time I play it! mad

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I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Its only one hand!

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

Yes, I have the C to A change wired, but I do feel slow because even not thinking about it, my fingers seem to be moving slower than I need them to. I think I will get this at 130bpm, and as mentioned, I already get to 100% with about 3 red notes after 2 days, but I'd be scared to think what it would be like if Low Bridge is sped up to 160bpm or more. I just don't think my muscles twitch fast enough to go 160bpm. In fact, maybe after work today, I will just crank up Low Bridge to 160bpm and see what measures 27-36 sound like. Scary.

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In 5E you get to play the accompaniment here is my attempt

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That is very good! I'm NOT looking forward to that. It's enough to get one hand going at 130. To try to get the other synchronized and notes syncopated, is not something I want to think about right now. crazy

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I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.


Yes, this. It takes a bit of effort, but you'll get there! Concentrate on playing it faultlessly at the slow tempo before attempting the full speed version.

"Thank God I've finished Arabia."
"Here's a harder piece.
… repeat for infinity. smile

Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk


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Irish Jig I did 189 practice sessions before i got 100%
Wait until you get to 3E. Boogie (12 Bar Blues) and Spinning. The previous seems easy when you start there. smile
Last week I had a conversation with an older piano teacher and I told her of my battle with Marvel to always get 100%. But my dear child She said (I'm 65), no one plays everything perfectly even the very best, why would you strive for it? She's right laugh


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I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

Yes, this. It takes a bit of effort, but you'll get there! Concentrate on playing it faultlessly at the slow tempo before attempting the full speed version.


I literally have something happen at 125bpm and my rhythm breaks down. It almost feels like the drag or friction from the keys are slowing me down. I've been increasing by 1bpm at a time, from 120 to 130, but around 125, I blow out consistently. Now, as I may mentioned in my prior message, I have a few times now gotten without 3 rednotes of being completely "in the green" on Low Bridge, but it isn't stable or sustainable. I will get 100% on a playing, and then a min later, I will try again and end up with only 85%.

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"Thank God I've finished Arabia."
"Here's a harder piece.
… repeat for infinity. smile

Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk


I am 5 lessons into 3C so I am approaching the Irish Jig. Just to seemingly underscore the "inconsistency" of the various lessons in Level 3, as you reference, the first 5 lessons of 3C Methods took altogether a total of 10 mins of practice/attempts to get to 100% for me, in contrast with with the 3-4 days and 2 days respectively for Arabia and Low Bridge in 3B.

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Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk

Irish Jig I did 189 practice sessions before i got 100%
Wait until you get to 3E. Boogie (12 Bar Blues) and Spinning. The previous seems easy when you start there. smile
Last week I had a conversation with an older piano teacher and I told her of my battle with Marvel to always get 100%. But my dear child She said (I'm 65), no one plays everything perfectly even the very best, why would you strive for it? She's right laugh

Sadly, this doesn't work for me. OCD, so I am attached to my patterns, already now I have a pattern of two consecutive repeats without red notes before I can forget the lesson. By this measure, Low Bridge is the first lesson I can't forget, so I went back today to work on it a bit more. I expect I will just keep coming back to Low Bridge like a dog to a bone, until I (perhaps through mere happenstance) am able to repeat it without any errors twice in a row... (Now, whether I will know it is really without any error is another issue, as I have discovered that the Piano Marvel tracking system breaks down for eighth notes at 130bpm, as I mentioned earlier...)


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Sadly, this doesn't work for me. OCD, so I am attached to my patterns, already now I have a pattern of two consecutive repeats without red notes before I can forget the lesson. By this measure, Low Bridge is the first lesson I can't forget, so I went back today to work on it a bit more. I expect I will just keep coming back to Low Bridge like a dog to a bone, until I (perhaps through mere happenstance) am able to repeat it without any errors twice in a row... (Now, whether I will know it is really without any error is another issue, as I have discovered that the Piano Marvel tracking system breaks down for eighth notes at 130bpm, as I mentioned earlier...)


I am also an OCD person, but I have to do concessions or it is no longer pleasant, and that is the intention of music and piano learning? I've already learned myself from after level 3 to stop taking a golden piano (100%) in the closet every time laugh And some pieces are downright ugly and not at all fine to play, why should I do that?


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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone

I literally have something happen at 125bpm and my rhythm breaks down. It almost feels like the drag or friction from the keys are slowing me down. I've been increasing by 1bpm at a time, from 120 to 130, but around 125, I blow out consistently. Now, as I may mentioned in my prior message, I have a few times now gotten without 3 rednotes of being completely "in the green" on Low Bridge, but it isn't stable or sustainable. I will get 100% on a playing, and then a min later, I will try again and end up with only 85%.


This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.

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Originally Posted by akc42

This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.



This what I was thinking. I'm currently also taking swimming lessons and working on my backstroke. I hit a bit of a brick wall and was getting frustrated. My teacher commented on how I seemed too rigid, and that I needed to relax and let go a bit. As soon as I was able to trust that I wasn't going to just sink, and soften my shoulders and neck, the whole process became a lot easier. I was able to swim more fluidly, and faster, them when my body was actively trying to swim through brute force. I realised that this was the exact same process needed to attempt to play piano pieces faster. Take a breath, let go, and not think about the mechanics too much! smile

Again, this is all way easier if you've got the notes under your fingers at a slower speed first.


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I am also an OCD person, but I have to do concessions or it is no longer pleasant, and that is the intention of music and piano learning? I've already learned myself from after level 3 to stop taking a golden piano (100%) in the closet every time laugh And some pieces are downright ugly and not at all fine to play, why should I do that?

I celebrate those similarly afflicted who are able to break patterns. I really have trouble doing it and when people call me out for it, I start "hiding behavior". For example, when my wife notices any OCD behavior on my part, she'll snap out, "Cut out that OCD stuff!" blush And then I have to be secretive about my patterns. haha... Well, I may only have been playing Piano Marvel for two months, but getting starred pianos is now a deeply engrained pattern already!

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This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.

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This what I was thinking. I'm currently also taking swimming lessons and working on my backstroke. I hit a bit of a brick wall and was getting frustrated. My teacher commented on how I seemed too rigid, and that I needed to relax and let go a bit. As soon as I was able to trust that I wasn't going to just sink, and soften my shoulders and neck, the whole process became a lot easier. I was able to swim more fluidly, and faster, them when my body was actively trying to swim through brute force. I realised that this was the exact same process needed to attempt to play piano pieces faster. Take a breath, let go, and not think about the mechanics too much! smile

Again, this is all way easier if you've got the notes under your fingers at a slower speed first.

Thanks for this observation. I was consciously trying to be relaxed in fingers, hands, and wrists when I am playing to avoid what Graham Fitch called in one of his youtube videos "piston fingers". But now that both of you have called this out, I realize I might still be maintaining tension even as I consciously am trying to relax to the point of some limpness. Because actually, this is probably the only explanation for what is slowing me down. I'm going to watch more youtube videos on this and see if I can find some exercises I can try which will help train me to reduce tension.

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I just wanted to join in on the conversation. I have a real love/hate relationship with the PM software but when they get it right it works extremely well for me.

I was shocked to see that they've added the upload feature. This would probably help me more than anything. I'd love to be one of those open minded people who likes all music but that's never going to happen. I can practice something I like, even a little, until I get it. Is anyone up for a conversation about the upload? I tried MuseScore but it looks like they did away with the .xml export. I never did get it to work, though I did produce some results that were comical. I got closer with Finale, but had a LOT of issues. It seems to be working after a reboot but I'm not sure why. Is anyone familiar with the upload?

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Is anyone up for a conversation about the upload?

I'm having a related conversation with others about the upload feature. I'll shoot you a PM about it.


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You made my day. To each his own but I've found the official support a 'bit' lacking.

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Talking of support. I notice that there's a new "request minced" button pieces that don't have a complete practice mode. I requested three and one was done the same day.

An aside: Met with a new piano teacher today so after next week I'll probably be spending more time on other pieces. I still plan to stick with PM, though, as it's great sight reading practice.


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Talking of support. I notice that there's a new "request minced" button pieces that don't have a complete practice mode. I requested three and one was done the same day.

An aside: Met with a new piano teacher today so after next week I'll probably be spending more time on other pieces. I still plan to stick with PM, though, as it's great sight reading practice.

Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh


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Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh


Piano Marvel has live chat? I must be missing it -- where is the live chat button appearing on the page(s)?


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh


Piano Marvel has live chat? I must be missing it -- where is the live chat button appearing on the page(s)?

On the first page before you login...but it is gone now...mayby they were just testing.
Now they are online again 20/04 at 19.16h


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Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink


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Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink


I think it must be brutally hard, and I applaud your effort. I've done a lot of international work and it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.

(Sorry, but learning to read music is hard enough for me. I doubt I will ever learn Dutch!)

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Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink


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I am also going to post in my mother tongue, then you know how difficult it is for me to answer everything. And certainly all those musical terms are nowhere to be found in a translation program. I hope you have mastered copy / paste and a good translation program laugh LOL Wondering who will succeed the friends here. Why is everyone always supposed to be able to read and write English? Agree it is a world language, but that is why it is not self-evident. It is almost as difficult as getting 100% on Arabia

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I've done a lot of international work and it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.


Between about 1998 and 2009, I had a role as an international evangelist for our company related to the IT needed to enable competition in Electricity markets. I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands (as well as time in Belgium, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway). Never once did I have to seriously speak in any language other than English. The biggest impression that hit me was in the Netherlands when I walked in to a meeting of about 20 Dutch Nationals and myself. As I walked in they were all speaking in Dutch and as soon as they were aware of my presence the entire meeting switched to English, just because I was there.

I did have some very basic French and German, but other than say hello I never needed it for communication. I quite frequently had to listen to a long discussion in the native, and I could only very partially follow it.

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.

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I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.


thumb I'm very tired indeed smile No translation this time.


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Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.

Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile


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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!


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Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.
Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile

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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink

I'm still firmly of the opinion that Low Bridge is much harder than Arabia! (and Irish Jig... not done with that one, but could still see myself done with it today)

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...it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.

你好! (Hello!)

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(Sorry, but learning to read music is hard enough for me. I doubt I will ever learn Dutch!)

My wife has been learning Dutch because we have a 2nd home in Amsterdam that she prefers. She's gotten quite good at it as her 6th language, but as she says, there are all sorts of cultural nuances in the language that go over her head. In fact, now to obtain residency in the Netherlands, because of the large number of immigrants and worries they are not "integrating", the Dutch authorities have introduced a new cultural test, the inburgeringscursus, and some of the questions (not even answers) make no sense at all to non-Dutch. Real question from the inburgeringscursus (translated): "Henk introduces his wife to his neighbor and says: 'Mark! This is my wife, Petra.' Answer choices: A. True B. False." I think this question must give great insight into the Dutch culture ... only I don't know what that is! laugh And in fact, since my wife is pushing on me to give up the rat race here in the US and join her in Amsterdam permanently, I've told her that I won't move to Amsterdam until I understand this question! laugh

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Between about 1998 and 2009, I had a role as an international evangelist for our company related to the IT needed to enable competition in Electricity markets. I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands (as well as time in Belgium, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway). Never once did I have to seriously speak in any language other than English. The biggest impression that hit me was in the Netherlands when I walked in to a meeting of about 20 Dutch Nationals and myself. As I walked in they were all speaking in Dutch and as soon as they were aware of my presence the entire meeting switched to English, just because I was there.

I did have some very basic French and German, but other than say hello I never needed it for communication. I quite frequently had to listen to a long discussion in the native, and I could only very partially follow it.

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.

I think speaking a foreign language for a long period of time can tire anyone, not only the Dutch. My wife is not a native English speaker. While I'm not either, for her English was her 3rd language. Twenty years ago, a few months after we met, I recall vividly being in a taxi with her and having her throw up her hands and shout at me "Too much English", push me away, and then refusing to speak anything except for her native language the rest of the day! I've teased her about that every once in a while since. And expect to again when she goes to her convocation at the Uni of Manchester this May where she wrote an entire PhD dissertation in English -- she's come a long way (with English) since that taxi 20 years ago.

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Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Have you tried any asian languages, by chance? Say Chinese?

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Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)

One of the things I love in foreign languages is to find words or phrases that have no direct translation. For example, in my native language is the word "撒娇" which is pronounced "sajiao", and it has a specific meaning: in traditional gender play, where a feminine gesture is made to exploit the other party's bonds of affection/fondness, including such devices as pouting, playfully slapping a shoulder, whining melodiously, or storming off during a date. And, now, if your significant other does this to you, you'll know what to call them! wink For my Skype login, I chose an untranslatable Russian word which refers to the sensation of great spiritual anguish without any specific cause. Some words can fit other cultures almost better than they fit themselves. Coming out of my native culture, even though we don't have such a word, I know exactly what plaatsvervangende schaamte is for example, as I feel it once or twice every day! laugh That said, in the case of the feeling about a nice piece of music you refer to, I don't think it need language translation -- that feeling is probably universal! smile

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You lost me...too much English :p


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You lost me...too much English :p

I'm feeling plaatsvervangende schaamte! eek ha


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Actually, it's a forum about piano here. We wander very far away from the subject. smile But I have to admit that it was long ago that I had so much fun with people I absolutely don't know. It must have been in the 1980s, my first acquaintance with the online happening, a modem and talking to strangers on MIRC chat. Who still recalls the sound of the modem? And keep an eye on the clock because you paid at that time per minute that you were online. Our generation is privileged to be part of this evolution I think....


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Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Then back to the Piano Marvel topic. I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?

As a (musical) aside, is it really true that triplet notes don't need a "3" near the beam and simply have to appear in a group of three under a single beam to be considered a triplet? Because if so, then why doesn't this apply to a group of 3 notes under a single beam in 6/8 measures - those seem to be able to quietly remain eighth notes, and not triplets? (Or is this an arcane question about musical notation that should go elsewhere? smile )


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I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?



Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out. I don't have a problem with "it's time for you to start figuring things out on your own" so I try to assume that's what's happening. Sometimes I have to remind myself just how little I'm paying for something that helps me enormously.

(I'm overdue for getting another teacher. That's what's really missing for me. My teacher died and I really dread finding another one.)

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Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.


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Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.


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I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!


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I'm on Windows but all I needed was a USB cable to my PC. I expected a half a day of computer futzing and was glad to be completely wrong.

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I think I might need a lightning to USB connector for the ipad, but just want to make certain before I buy one. smile


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!

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Thank you! I had no problem connecting to my laptop and it worked great! This is SO COOL!! For the ipad, I just need a lightning to USB jumper, so that's easy! Thanks, everyone, this is another good tool to use!


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Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.


I've said it before, but I will repeat it again - No Piano Marvel can not completely replace a traditional path. Its very good helping with accuracy and rhythm, but music is more than that, you need to have dynamics and expression and Piano Marvel can't help with that.

Nevertheless its a tremendous help. A couple of weeks ago I started to learn a ABRSM Grade 5 piece called "Cool". Its very Jazz like with a swing beat and lots of phrases starting half a beat off. After my first lesson with my piano teacher I was struggling with just the feel of this strange rhythm. Last week I uploaded it into Piano Marvel and have been trying to learn it. I split it into practice sessions of a about 4 or 5 measures long, and today I almost finished running through all the practice sessions and nailing 100% at 75, 100 and 144 bpm (still the last few bars to go). I can now play the whole piece from memory without piano marvel running and with a good sense of beat ready for my lesson next Tuesday.

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Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out.


I just think it is uneven. Sometimes there are videos for the tritest little things. Like a video to essentially show how to switch a single finger on a key. Then you encounter a piece like Technique 3C#13 "Amazing Grace" where there clearly are multiple finger changes since one doesn't have 7 fingers on a hand laugh and there is only one note numbered and no video -- we know therefore know to start the right hand with the thumb. Great - fingering solved! laugh This is the annoying thing: it seems the instructors are so far beyond beginners that they don't even notice the issues, because presumably if they noticed, they would consider a video or note or something.

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Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


Me too.

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About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.


So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...


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So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...

I think your OCD is going to lose from Marvel. Unless of course you are going to play day and night, but I think that eventually your piano flies through the window. Too bad right? Let us have fun and put that OCD aside:)


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Where I get the most to worse in Marvel is the library. I want to arrange everything neatly, first exercises, Level 1, Level 2 and so on, then Albert's 1-2-3... then songs from the library, then my own songs. I drag me drowsy until everything is in the right order and is uncluttered, and next time when I open Marvel it's a mess again... again half an hour dragging and dropping, grrrrrrrrrr I hate it. And that's something my OCD can't release because it just needs to be able and all that needs to stay as I want it. Have already complained about Marvel but so far still no improvement.
Am I the only one, and is the library okay for the rest of you?


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Where I get the most to worse in Marvel is the library. I want to arrange everything neatly, first exercises, Level 1, Level 2 and so on, then Albert's 1-2-3... then songs from the library, then my own songs. I drag me drowsy until everything is in the right order and is uncluttered, and next time when I open Marvel it's a mess again... again half an hour dragging and dropping, grrrrrrrrrr I hate it. And that's something my OCD can't release because it just needs to be able and all that needs to stay as I want it. Have already complained about Marvel but so far still no improvement.
Am I the only one, and is the library okay for the rest of you?

I hesitate to say this because it really sounds ill laugh but my library is small an tidy since as soon as I get all starred-pianos for minced, chopped, and whole, I delete the song from my library! Haha... (And you may ask, what if you like a song and want to play it again? uhhhhh.... I haven't gotten that far! laugh )


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I got my connector today and my ipad is working fine with the app! I have a question, though. Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?

Just go to Method, and click on the 3A lesson and choose the first of the 20 lessons in 3A. You can do the same for Technique. (If you only have a trial account, I don't know how you would do it in the trial.)


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Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?

Just go to Method, and click on the 3A lesson and choose the first of the 20 lessons in 3A. You can do the same for Technique. (If you only have a trial account, I don't know how you would do it in the trial.)


I did precisely that - although I initially started level 4 (in trial mode), decided it was a bit hard straight off, starting working through level 3. Each day I would try some time at level 3 and also went and started at level 1, working though the exercises there. Before long I had essentially backfilled all the lower levels. Nothing much changed when the trial almost ended and I decided to purchase my subscription. I just carried on - all my scores etc were intact.

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I couldn't figure out where to click to choose the different levels! I wonder if the ipad app is different, I'll try it on my laptop and let you know if I was smart enough to figure it out, lol. Sometimes I'm a dummy. 😆


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I did it, I had no idea you could click on the trophies, LOL! They show up a lot smaller on the ipad. 👍😊 Thanks!


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I did it, I had no idea you could click on the trophies, LOL! They show up a lot smaller on the ipad. 👍😊 Thanks!

There are a number of things which I'd consider features that I didn't see documented anywhere. For example, tech support told me about the following:

If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."

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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone


If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."


On the iPad this is done through the "play controls" at the bottom right of the screen. You can also control the speed, metronome and level of accompaniment.


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Reading about play controls - here is an observation that I had. I am learning a piece with complicated rhythms and getting good scores with Assess on Piano Marvel, but it wasn't translating to being able to play it without Piano Marvel. Then I realised hearing the accompaniment whilst playing was bringing my fingers into sync with it. I turned the accompaniment off and my scores dropped drastically, but a bit of perseverance brought them back up. Now I can play the piece independently of Piano Marvel and it still sounds correct

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If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."

The highlighting is something that I do not succeed, I usually go to play control and give in measure 6 to measure 8. A lot of hassle but selecting the other way is not possible. Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


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If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."

The highlighting is something that I do not succeed, I usually go to play control and give in measure 6 to measure 8. A lot of hassle but selecting the other way is not possible. Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


They have a video somewhere that shows how to do it. If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), then move the pointer to the end of measure 7 while holding the left mouse button down. Then you release the button and you're set. I had some trouble with this technique. It seemed to randomly work or fail. But it was me. While you are holding the mouse button and moving the pointer you are highlighting sections of the score. I found that I had to have the pointer within the highlighted section when I release the button or it wouldn't work.

I should probably try to record the process. That's the best I can do using words and I'm not 100% sure I would understand it if I were the one reading it!

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Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


Find a place on the score where you want to start a selection (just before the first note). On the top stave press AND HOLD the mouse button down and with the mouse button down move the mouse to the bottom stave just after where you want the selection to stop.

I do this on a Macbook with a touch pad, so for me its pressing the touch pad. I can also scroll with the MAC scroll action on the track pad (two fingers together and slide up and down) and hold the trackpad down if I want to select a section several lines long, but that is quite tricky. In this case I use both hands and scroll with the left and do the selection with the right.

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Is it possible doing Piano Marvel with an acoustic piano? I looked on their website, but only saw info for midi connections.

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Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


Find a place on the score where you want to start a selection (just before the first note). On the top stave press AND HOLD the mouse button down and with the mouse button down move the mouse to the bottom stave just after where you want the selection to stop.


Here's their video instruction. I'm not sure it works on the iPad version yet, though:



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Noblehouse - Not really, not to have the full experience, but there are other apps that have a "listening" capability that you might want to check out. I don't have any experience with them so I don't know how they compare but maybe try Simply Piano by Joytunes, or Flowkey.


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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), ...

That's interesting. I didn't know clicking on a note at the beginning of a section to highlight would work. I've been doing it more like akc42 mentions, by clicking and holding the left button on the staff before the first note in the selection you want. I've never tried clicking on a first note itself.


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If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), ...

That's interesting. I didn't know clicking on a note at the beginning of a section to highlight would work. I've been doing it more like akc42 mentions, by clicking and holding the left button on the staff before the first note in the selection you want. I've never tried clicking on a first note itself.


I like the way he said it better. I think all that really matters is that you somehow highlight everything you want to include. (I have no idea if this works on Apple systems.)

Once I finally figured out what I was doing wrong I found this feature tremendously helpful. Now all kidding aside, I will never be good at this. I do it because I think that if you aren't doing anything difficult enough to make you feel stupid, you're just asking for mental deterioration. I have little to no proof, it's just my opinion as a neogeriatric. Anyway, every now and then I'll get to something where I can do the minced exercises but my fingers won't cooperate when you put a couple of them together - there's a minced 5-6 and a minced 7-8 but when I try to do the whole song I get hung up going from measure 6 - 7. When that happens I can create the equivalent of a custom mince with very little effort by using the highlighting trick.

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Yes, thank you guys, I got it through. When I right click and drag disappears the piece I selected. When I left click and drag the piece I selected remains the only one standing. I was always right/left clicking and that doesn't work laugh


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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Anyway, every now and then I'll get to something where I can do the minced exercises but my fingers won't cooperate when you put a couple of them together - there's a minced 5-6 and a minced 7-8 but when I try to do the whole song I get hung up going from measure 6 - 7. When that happens I can create the equivalent of a custom mince with very little effort by using the highlighting trick.

You know, until I was in Level 3, I didn't even know about this trick. I would exactly get stuck with the same type of transitions you would talk about where I would wire the segments based on practicing minces, but then couldn't make the transition between one segment and another. I would sometimes fail like 20 times in a row! And in some cases, there might be 20 measures before the problematic transition! So I'd spend an hour playing stuff I wired only to get to the point of failure. So I complained to tech support about this and asked for custom minces, which is when they told me that, hey, do it this way. As I said, I think their documentation leaves something to be desired.


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OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


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OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


All I can say is, thank goodness I managed to get 100% twice in a row in just two days, or else I would be still jigging now. I recorded mine for my wife and she said it doesn't even sound anything like a real Irish Jig. I decided that might be the piano so I switched in a fiddle on my recorded MIDI file, and darn it if it still doesn't sound anything like an Irish Jig! I seem to have spent all that time learning something which is even bogus!


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Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it. I have not touched a piano anymore for 14 days, guilt of Marvel and also the fact that I had a lot of work in the garden laugh


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Originally Posted by Sarah65

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.


You need to practice the jumps, so they come second nature. Just practice one jump at a time. Play the first chord, jump as fast as you can move your hand to the second chord but hold you hand over the note, check it is in the correct place and ONLY if it is in the correct place play the chord. Repeat until (without looking at your hands whilst moving - you need to to do the check) you are always in the correct place. Then practice more, playing the first chord and then the second in time (always moving between the chords as fast as you can, just not playing until the correct beat) again without looking at your hands. If you get any wrong - go back to checking you are in the correct place.

I think you will quickly master it then.

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OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it. I have not touched a piano anymore for 14 days, guilt of Marvel and also the fact that I had a lot of work in the garden laugh


I'm not too worried about it getting harder as I progress through the levels. I think what I don't enjoy is that I'm putting a lot of time into a piece that is long, sounds pretty awful and will never be played again once mastered. If I were playing something that sounded good I'd be much more inclined to put the effort in.


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And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.


You need to practice the jumps, so they come second nature. Just practice one jump at a time. Play the first chord, jump as fast as you can move your hand to the second chord but hold you hand over the note, check it is in the correct place and ONLY if it is in the correct place play the chord. Repeat until (without looking at your hands whilst moving - you need to to do the check) you are always in the correct place. Then practice more, playing the first chord and then the second in time (always moving between the chords as fast as you can, just not playing until the correct beat) again without looking at your hands. If you get any wrong - go back to checking you are in the correct place.

I think you will quickly master it then.

With the left hand alone I can do it, I had made a practice piece with all the jumps and practiced a lot. It is in combination with the right hand that it goes wrong. That has been so with every piece, hands apart no problem... together and it goes wrong. It will take a while for it to become a second nature I think.


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And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.

With the left hand alone I can do it, I had made a practice piece with all the jumps and practiced a lot. It is in combination with the right hand that it goes wrong. That has been so with every piece, hands apart no problem... together and it goes wrong. It will take a while for it to become a second nature I think.

I haven't gotten to Morning Mood yet, but something I've done successfully up until now, is what I think of as 'tempo progression', although it takes a long time. I set the tempo to the lowest speed where I can play the song 100% correctly or where I am sure with a few repetitions I can get to 100% without any issues. This is rarely under 50 bpm. Regardless, I keep going down in the tempo until I can play it correctly. That said, slower speeds have their own problems for me, as personally, I found that my rhythm is worse at slower speeds so I usually have to count aloud, which I don't have to do at a faster tempo. When I get to to a tempo where I am successful playing the song 100% correct, then I increase by 5 bpm and try again. If I fail, I repeat. Three strikes and, I tweak the tempo down again until I am successful. At very fast tempi, such as with Low Bridge or Arabia, I've even crept up between iterations by only a single bpm, and then I sometimes fall back down by a single bpm. In this way, I inch the tempo up until two hours later, perhaps on another practice day, I find myself playing at the original tempo the song correctly. Since this obviously takes a long time, especially on a long song, I reserve these "big guns" for only some pieces -- Arabia, Low Bridge, Irish Jig. But these pieces are my nemeses. My, perhaps unfounded, theory is also that if I do it this way, I am "training success". I repeatedly succeed at playing the song (although at slower tempos), and success begets further success.

Painstaking I know, but I think anyone who played Irish Jig 180+ times to get right can do this. smile

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Originally Posted by TrevorM

I'm not too worried about it getting harder as I progress through the levels. I think what I don't enjoy is that I'm putting a lot of time into a piece that is long, sounds pretty awful and will never be played again once mastered. If I were playing something that sounded good I'd be much more inclined to put the effort in.


BUT - I think most of what these harder pieces is do is help you prepare for the MUCH HARDER pieces coming along the way as you get more proficient. Not just in Piano Marvel, but in general. Even the long pieces are relatively short by what is coming up. Piano Marvels take on Pacabel's Cannon is 57 measures long - and they give you ALL of Lesson 5C to learn it, yet the movements of Beethoven's Sonata's that I learned were 70 for Moonlight (1st Movement) and 73 for Pathetique 2nd Movement, and they were the simplest and shortest movements in those Sonatas. The piece I am learning now is a ABRSM grade 5 piece at 50 measures.

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^Agreed. The pieces that are really challenging are solid teaching tools. Think of them as that. The longer pieces also teach stamina. I finished my first over-4-min. piece a few weeks ago. If I can do 4 min. now, I'll be able to do 5, then 7, then 10 and on and on. All these things we do now prepare us for more challenging work ahead. smile


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Noblehouse - Not really, not to have the full experience, but there are other apps that have a "listening" capability that you might want to check out. I don't have any experience with them so I don't know how they compare but maybe try Simply Piano by Joytunes, or Flowkey.


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Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?


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Darah65, I’m not active on PM but just browsing. About the tablet, I just swipe the screen as if turning a page but I’ve heard of being able to use a pedal to do it. That may be what the pros that you referenced are doing.


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Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?


Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.

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Darah65, I’m not active on PM but just browsing. About the tablet, I just swipe the screen as if turning a page but I’ve heard of being able to use a pedal to do it. That may be what the pros that you referenced are doing.

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Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?


Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.

Thank you


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Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.


If your Digital Piano has three pedals, you can often set the program so that the middle pedal (or even the left as that is rarely used either) with change page.

For playing away from your piano (maybe on an accoustic) you can purchase a small pedal that does it for you (such as this http://amzn.eu/iK7Kfzk) [I have not used this - just looks the most suitable]

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If your Digital Piano has three pedals, you can often set the program so that the middle pedal (or even the left as that is rarely used either) with change page.
For playing away from your piano (maybe on an accoustic) you can purchase a small pedal that does it for you (such as this http://amzn.eu/iK7Kfzk) [I have not used this - just looks the most suitable]

Alan, do you know sometimes if that software is to be found for PC as well? I only find page turners for tablet.


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The page turner I references is hardware. So puzzled what you mean by that software - did you mean Forescore, which is only available for iPad - I think the following are similar (and different)

As I don't really use Windows (I have a Macbook laptop and Linux on the desktop) I don't really. I have heard of this https://www.musicnotes.com/apps/windows/, but never used it.

One piece of software I thought about getting - but since I found Piano Marvel, didn't have the need any more - was Home Concert Xtreme https://timewarptech.com/shop/music-software-apps/software/home-concert-xtreme/

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The page turner I references is hardware. So puzzled what you mean by that software - did you mean Forescore, which is only available for iPad - I think the following are similar (and different)

As I don't really use Windows (I have a Macbook laptop and Linux on the desktop) I don't really. I have heard of this https://www.musicnotes.com/apps/windows/, but never used it.

One piece of software I thought about getting - but since I found Piano Marvel, didn't have the need any more - was Home Concert Xtreme https://timewarptech.com/shop/music-software-apps/software/home-concert-xtreme/

sorry I set the wrong quote. It must be about ForScore and PiaScore thats only for iPad. I use PC. Musicnotes is no good, you have to buy every sheet of music. Concert xtreme looks intresting...for later maybe smile First have to finish Marvel.


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OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


I wonder? Still Jigging?


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Well, I've jumped on the Jigging wagon. The best I've done so far is a 96.

But I've been enjoying some of the songs you can get in the library in addition to the Method lessons.


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Well, I've jumped on the Jigging wagon. The best I've done so far is a 96.

But I've been enjoying some of the songs you can get in the library in addition to the Method lessons.


Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly laugh


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Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly laugh

There is a great song in the Library which is marked as Level 3 -- it's called "Irish Jig" laugh

Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )

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Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )


No thank you, never ever Irish Jigg wink Those 3 they recommended are in method 3D or E, I have done them. Spinning is pleasant but not in fast version.


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Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )

No thank you, never ever Irish Jigg wink Those 3 they recommended are in method 3D or E, I have done them. Spinning is pleasant but not in fast version.

I most have just not remembered whichever one of these was in Method 3D since I finished Method 3D already. I am currently stuck though on Technique 3D#17 "Shenandoah" for the 3rd day. I think I see why you gave up on Technique. I think I have made this extra tough on myself, since it is marked as "ear training", so I've been refusing to look at the notes during the scoring and memorize them that way, as I want to play from ear. But the fact that I've played this one about 100 time with my best being 93% probably means I've almost memorized the pattern anyways even though I'm not peeking. haha...


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I most have just not remembered whichever one of these was in Method 3D since I finished Method 3D already. I am currently stuck though on Technique 3D#17 "Shenandoah" for the 3rd day. I think I see why you gave up on Technique. I think I have made this extra tough on myself, since it is marked as "ear training", so I've been refusing to look at the notes during the scoring and memorize them that way, as I want to play from ear. But the fact that I've played this one about 100 time with my best being 93% probably means I've almost memorized the pattern anyways even though I'm not peeking. haha...


Some people are born with an absolute musical hearing and others do not. If you belong to the second category you can do ear training until you get mad, but it will never come. That's why I've given up in technique. At first I wrote everything down in technique, then I just had to fill in the blanks, but with the larger pieces it is not feasible and so time consuming. And actually that is a big scale cheating and I don't learn anything about it. My ambition when I started with Marvel was just to learn to read notes and learn the basics of playing piano. Even though it stings that not all my pianos have a golden star, both technique and method, but yes, so be it. laugh


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Sarah,

If you look at "popular piano solos" and "more popular piano solos" by Hal Leonard they both have multiple selections in multiple levels. They are not too long. A lot of Disney tunes, but not all. You don't have to do the boot camp part of it.


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OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


I wonder? Still Jigging?


Hah. No. I got there in the end. It wasn't too hard actually. Once you have the two sections nailed it's just a case of playing them repeatedly without error.

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Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly


There are some nice grades pieces that have just been added if you search for Composer: Hal Leonard it'll bring up the Popular Piano Solo books. Also, if you search for "Classical Boot Camp" there are some good graded classical pieces to try. Good luck! smile

EDIT: Sorry, GidgetKeys, just saw your response! smile

I've just started playing with a Teacher again so I'll probably be spending less time on Piano Marvel. I've been set quite this nice blues-y piece which is much harder. My own fault for telling him that I wanted to master stride piano. smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQ7HdEy-Ts

I've also got work to do on some sorely neglected scales, so I'll be jumping up to L4's Technique section to help me out. smile

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Good luck with all that you still want to learn, I take some spring/summer vacation. No time to sit inside on the piano, it is better outside in the sun. See you back in autumn smile
I will still be practicing on rainy days, because I miss my piano quite quickly. But ending level 3 of Marvel will not be for now. To get the last longer pieces 100% I have to play a few days in succession, because if there is a week in between, I forgot everything again. And that I can't do now, way too many other things to do.


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I previously used Piano Marvel to get the basic notes from "Cool" (an ABRSM Grade 5 piece) into my fingers and I know it works wonderfully well to just get my muscle memory set up - it then takes work outside of Piano Marvel to hone the piece.

This week I have started to try and learn Bach's two part Invention No 8. I entered the score via Musescore and exported the .mid and .xml files and uploaded them to Piano Marvel. Now I am having fun trying to build practice exercises from it. Yesterday I built a load of "Minced Exercises" and then some "Chopped" ones - but although I could easily do hands separate, as soon as I tried to put hands together I was struggling. So this morning I am taking a new approach and changing the "Chopped" exercises to start from the end and work backwards - adding extra bars/measures in for each new exercise until I get to the beginning and can play the whole piece.

Because creating and changing exercises is so easy once you have the piece in place, I can easily create the 17 practice exercises it will take to go from the last two bars to playing the whole piece, maybe half and hours work and I will be ready to go. I have chosen very low tempii (32, 48 and 64) so give me a chance of getting my muscle memory started and then worked up to a slow but steady pace. Once I have it in my fingers I hope I can improve it outside of PM.

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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Good luck with all that you still want to learn, I take some spring/summer vacation. No time to sit inside on the piano, it is better outside in the sun. See you back in autumn smile
I will still be practicing on rainy days, because I miss my piano quite quickly. But ending level 3 of Marvel will not be for now. To get the last longer pieces 100% I have to play a few days in succession, because if there is a week in between, I forgot everything again. And that I can't do now, way too many other things to do.

Have a nice summer. I am just 20 lessons from the halfway point myself - 10 of each of 3E Method & Technique - yet life intrudes here too. I leave for London in two days to attend a graduation, and I've set the goal of finishing off these 20 lessons - and therefore level 3 - before I depart. It's a race against time to see if I make it. smile

BTW, for some reason, I found the C minor version of the Happy Birthday song to be even harder than Morning Mood. blush Seemingly inexplicably, I made 100+ mistakes on the Happy Birthday song - I would make the same mistake 4-5 times in a row, each time swearing the next time I wouldn't make "that particular error". For the life of me, I can't figure out why, unless had something to do with the piece being in a minor key. The Morning Mood jumps seemed less challenging to me in comparison. I've been recording the pieces that posed any difficulty on my SoundCloud, and this morning, my wife LOL'ed at me when she saw the Happy Birthday song there. blush

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Finally! I scored 100% on Irish Jig...but it wasn't perfect. I had 2 red notes. 29 "official" attempts, but I practiced the music more than that. I'm moving on...


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Originally Posted by akc42

Because creating and changing exercises is so easy once you have the piece in place, I can easily create the 17 practice exercises it will take to go from the last two bars to playing the whole piece, maybe half and hours work and I will be ready to go. I have chosen very low tempii (32, 48 and 64) so give me a chance of getting my muscle memory started and then worked up to a slow but steady pace. Once I have it in my fingers I hope I can improve it outside of PM.


It actually took me less than 20 minutes to set this up, and after a brief trial I decided to go with 32, 40 and 48 as the tempii. The last measure is bar 34 and yesterday I did exercises 33->end, 31->end, 29->end at all tempii to 100%. I can play further back than that looking at the sheet music, so will try some more today. But like others the weather has kept me away from the piano for most of the day

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Originally Posted by akc42
So this morning I am taking a new approach and changing the "Chopped" exercises to start from the end and work backwards - adding extra bars/measures in for each new exercise until I get to the beginning and can play the whole piece.

Wanted to add that when my brain wasn't processing the minor key Happy Birthday song, I had just read this, and so I too tried to work measure-by-measure from the end to the beginning of the song -- all 10 or so measures of it. blush Although there were no pre-chopped exercises that did this, I did this by manually highlighting the measures. Whether it was the mere fact of achieving enough repetitions or the technique of "growing" from the end does really help, my first successful rendition of these (10) measures came during this process.


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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Whether it was the mere fact of achieving enough repetitions or the technique of "growing" from the end does really help, my first successful rendition of these (10) measures came during this process.


This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.

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Along with a misfeature I found today (another story), I found a very cool undocumented feature. I can't imagine I'm the first one to notice this. I was in Method 3E#14, "Satin Gloves", and played the video, 4:52 of going through the entire piece. Then I tried to learn it in practice mode. While in practice mode, I decided I needed to check the fingering on a part, and decided to watch the video again. So I clicked the video link while in practice mode, expecting to get the same 4:52 video as before. No! Instead, I got a 9:18 video showing every practice mode segment, and depending on which practice mode segment you are in, you get a different piece of the 9:18 video, showing very detailed fingering. Whoa! Now that is cool and obviously took a lot of effort (if it was done for practice mode in other pieces). But now why was this feature never mentioned or documented?


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Originally Posted by akc42
This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.

Now that explanation does make sense to me. Is this your theory of why this is working for us, or is it something your teacher or something you read suggested? Because if you invented it, I think you should post this idea in its own thread on this board, since it is a learning innovation and deserves not to be buried in a Piano Marvel thread wink

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Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?

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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Originally Posted by akc42
This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.

Now that explanation does make sense to me. Is this your theory of why this is working for us, or is it something your teacher or something you read suggested? Because if you invented it, I think you should post this idea in its own thread on this board, since it is a learning innovation and deserves not to be buried in a Piano Marvel thread wink


I read somewhere (I think it might have been in "Fundamentals of Piano Practice"?) that it was a good idea to learn from the back end forward, because it helps along the lines I mentioned. The specific feeling that I wrote about was what I was experiencing. having tried this for the first time. So I haven't invented the approach.

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Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?


I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know

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Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?


I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know

Now this is an interesting observation that I hadn't noticed. Yes, that would be a possibility. Does such a thing have a musicological name? I mean a "pretend" ending to a song that actually continues on? Maybe as I think you may be implying, it isn't trying to be a "pretend ending", but just to emphasize where the previous arpeggios ended. It's weird anyways. My ears are confused.

I wonder about a lot of things about this piece, Satin Gloves. First of all, it is a composition by the Piano Marvel owner. It has these staccatissimo pikes. Why staccatissimo? It's hardly dynamics for beginners like me. Why not just staccato? There are pieces using staccato before Method 3E. There are 7 arpeggios, and all get these staccatissimo pikes on the last one or two notes, except for two of them. The 2nd and the 6th. I wonder if they could be mistakes? I play it and it doesn't make any sense to my ear why two of these should be different than the others? Is this my OCD talking? Then I watch the video of the Piano Marvel owner playing the song, and he definitely doesn't play any of these particular notes staccatissimo (or at least as I understand staccatissimo from having looked it up). In fact, in the video, on his screen that appears in the video, the notes are not staccatissimo. I wonder if the staccatissimo is simply a notation error, or a programming "bug", but that seems unlike since it's too "fancy" a notation to be anything but deliberate here. Since he is the owner and piece's composer, he could have recorded himself playing this piece and then decided later it would sound better having staccatissimo pikes on some of the notes. We already see from the videos, he prefers the authentic to re-recording videos with small errors, and that could explain why he didn't re-record the video after changing the score.

I opened a personal record of 3 trouble tickets for this piece, most just asking questions about a very oddly composed piece.

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