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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2835537
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Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.

As an alternative to menu options, on the Mac, there is a left window with all the palettes and fingering is one of the palettes. Don't know if this is on Windows though.


I stare at that little palette window, and can’t figure out which option does the fingering. How is it labeled? I tried searching in help which led me to the menu option.

I think I have demonstrated that Staff Text does not transfer into PM.

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There is a little pull-down at the bottom of the Palettes window. If yours says "Basic," switch to "Advanced" first as in the screen shown above.


Ah, ha! Thanks. I must be in Basic mode because I don’t see that Fingering palette. I’m new to MuseScore. I prefer StaffPad, which lets me do so much with a stylus that the program almost disappears and becomes a pencil on paper.

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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2837645
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Did you See "NEW FEATURE PIANO TUTORIAL" in Musescore? A skinny version of Synthesia smile


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2837648
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Did you See "NEW FEATURE PIANO TUTORIAL" in Musescore? A skinny version of Synthesia smile

Horror. shocked Sometimes you don't want to look but can't help it!


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2837898
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Horror. shocked Sometimes you don't want to look but can't help it!


Same here...I wonder how the fingering go's and look quickly, its an ugly interface laugh


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839400
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Technique in Pm is still a bitch, even though I no longer aspire to 100%. And I also see little benefit from struggling to get there, in the playing in method. On the contrary, after a whole level technique in the key or F I tend to play Bb anywhere if there is a B in a piece. Crazy!!!


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839417
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Technique in Pm is still a bitch, even though I no longer aspire to 100%. And I also see little benefit from struggling to get there, in the playing in method. On the contrary, after a whole level technique in the key or F I tend to play Bb anywhere if there is a B in a piece. Crazy!!!

Actually, improvement in technique and the playing of the scale and arpeggio exercises in the technique exercises, will gradually improve the repertoire playing, in fluency and smoothness. Not so sure about the other technique exercises though.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839420
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The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.

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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839540
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I need to comb through this thread and pick out all the bits of "here's how to upload a piece and get correct fingerings etc" and turn it in to a tutorial. Does such a thing already exist somewhere? The one video I can find on the PM site is almost useless as it doesn't go in to any of the details about what the midi file needs to be, how to get fingers in, how to chop up the piece, etc. It does look like you all have discussed this in the thread but it's all over the place and I'd love to get it in one place (hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Chrispy] #2839542
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
I need to comb through this thread and pick out all the bits of "here's how to upload a piece and get correct fingerings etc" and turn it in to a tutorial. Does such a thing already exist somewhere? The one video I can find on the PM site is almost useless as it doesn't go in to any of the details about what the midi file needs to be, how to get fingers in, how to chop up the piece, etc. It does look like you all have discussed this in the thread but it's all over the place and I'd love to get it in one place (hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

As it happens, I did write something like this up for another PW forum member. wink Will look for it after work smile


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Chrispy] #2839561
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
(hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

Here you go! Be sure to use Musescore version 2.3.2 and not the Musescore versions 3.0.x. Last I checked, 3.x was still not supported, but the PM developers told me they were working on it and it might be any time.


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2839579
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Chrispy
(hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

Here you go! Be sure to use Musescore version 2.3.2 and not the Musescore versions 3.0.x. Last I checked, 3.x was still not supported, but the PM developers told me they were working on it and it might be any time.


Thanks Tyrone! Perfect!


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2839790
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.


Flashcards are in both. SASR test is also very good to learn read the notes. If you search the library there are also exercices, Bartok mikrokosmos are good.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839793
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The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.


Flashcards are in both. SASR test is also very good to learn read the notes. If you search the library there are also exercices, Bartok mikrokosmos are good.


Thanks for reminding me. I totally forgot about the SASR tests! I should try them.

Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2839813
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?

I've never experienced this through the end of level 3. I've always found a reason for the small difference. However, that said, I have not tried any of the lessons in the system since June 2018.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2839848
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand

Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?


Did you notice black notes? I had that problem also, but if you look better, you see some black notes maybe?
The counting is sometimes difficult, I let it play alone in asses a few times, until I get the right beat/tempo/counting in my head. When you play along next time you get it right. If you think its PM, send an error report.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2839916
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I occasionally have an issue in practice mode where it advances the cursor because I played the note, but it leaves the note black. I assume this happens sometimes in assess mode and is exhibited by a black note I'm sure I played. I'm beginning to become convinced is has to do with the escapement on my piano and the way it triggers the notes as it definitely seems to happen only when I'm playing a note and the escapement hasn't fully reset.

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That's too technical for me smile Maybe Tyrone can answer?


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
That's too technical for me smile Maybe Tyrone can answer?

I can't because it's never happened to me. In general, weird stuff used to happen alot back around April or May of 2018. These days, nothing strange ever happens to me in PM. So indeed it might just be Chrispy's piano or how he is using it.


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"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.

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Originally Posted by Rusco
Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.

Ah, the drawbacks of using online marvels to practice with, which bear no resemblance to real life........

What does a pianist, about to sight-read a real piece, do?

He first scans the piece from beginning to end, noting the "shape" and "texture" of the whole, taking note of key changes, phrase lengths, where the climax(es) is/are etc, and thereby mentally making 'shapes' with his hands to encompass them. Then when he plays, he is subconsciously also noting what is about to come, not necessarily looking directly at the bars below what he's actually playing but aware of the 'shape' of the notes out of the 'sides' of his eyes so that he is mentally prepared for what comes next.

None of which is what you get in sight-reading apps and marvellous marvels.


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