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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2799151
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

BTW, I just reported a bug to PM last night. It seems that when uploading a cut time piece (2/2), the tempo should be based on the BPM of the half-note, but in PM, it still sets the tempo as the BPM of the quarter-note, same as it does for common time (4/4), for example. This is wrong. And makes the piece go twice as slowly as it is supposed to. Did either of you experience this?


You are right, I have already encountered it but had not linked it to Marvel tempo "only quarter notes". You can solve this by doubling tempo right? I always adjust it with upload. As for Facebook, I don't find a group of Marvel users. Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group. Maybe Gidgetkeys? wink


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799153
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group.

Your English is fine! I'm not a native English-user either smile I even have dual citizenship in a non-English speaking country where I grew up. smile I didn't learn English myself until I was already in the US. Yet, from what I see of your posts here, I think both you and I get along in English better than some English-language native speakers - here in the US, at least wink


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799156
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RIGHT or WRONG ?

Found this text on piano forum.
Quote "Here is a test: Spend a year exclusively with such a program (Marvel piano), then take out a plain old fashioned paper score and try to sight read it. If you can do it well, then all well and good the program is miraculous. But what is more likely to happen is you won't know what to do as the program had just about done everything for you before with the exception of prompting your finger to press the note. Worse, if you had been using a cursor or pointer passing over notes as you play and a scrolling score you will have taught your eyes to stay still and only focus on the cursor. This is the opposite to what you do when actually sight reading and you will have to retrain your eyes from the start just how to move properly. I also can't express in words the agony after a year with a program and your first "cold turkey" session of what it feels like to have no feedback or score."/quote

There is something of truth in I think, I myself read with sheet music "too short", note per note actually. While you should read ahead and not read what you are playing but the next line. That's why I regularly exchange Marvel with a book or printed sheet, not to grow a wrong way of reading.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799157
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
RIGHT or WRONG ?

Found this text on piano forum.
Quote "Here is a test: Spend a year exclusively with such a program (Marvel piano), then take out a plain old fashioned paper score and try to sight read it. If you can do it well, then all well and good the program is miraculous. But what is more likely to happen is you won't know what to do as the program had just about done everything for you before with the exception of prompting your finger to press the note. Worse, if you had been using a cursor or pointer passing over notes as you play and a scrolling score you will have taught your eyes to stay still and only focus on the cursor. This is the opposite to what you do when actually sight reading and you will have to retrain your eyes from the start just how to move properly. I also can't express in words the agony after a year with a program and your first "cold turkey" session of what it feels like to have no feedback or score."/quote

There is something of truth in I think, I myself read with sheet music "too short", note per note actually. While you should read ahead and not read what you are playing but the next line. That's why I regularly exchange Marvel with a book or printed sheet, not to grow a wrong way of reading.

I've never experienced this myself. But I can imagine how this might be the case for some people. It might depend on how you use Piano Marvel though.

Good idea though of practicing with a paper score too. I guess I am doing that myself since I am taking lessons. Sounds like the writer used 100% PM and then only used a paper score after a year of PM. That's a pretty extreme case, isn't it?


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799169
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I am all in on piano marvel. I actually took many pieces from the Bach Anna Magdelana Notebook and had them notated in Finale and uploaded into Piano Marvel. As a result, I found my playing of these pieces to be a lot more fluid and the program allowed me to really drill the harder parts, especially the repeats. A few caveats though. I have a Skype teacher for over 2 years now who evaluates all my playing so any issues that Piano Marvel could develop are knocked out by my teacher. Second, I use three scores actually. One is Piano Marvel, the second is a Masterworks Palmer edition and finally I use an urtext.

Finally I think the real benefit of Piano Marvel is not their method or technique but actual repertoire that you work hands separate, then hands together at various tempos. The fact that you need perfect rythym has been a huge help for me. I think, on the other hand, a late intermediate pianist would benefit little since these late beginner intermediate issues are probably gone by the time you achieve this level.

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2799358
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group.

Your English is fine! I'm not a native English-user either smile I even have dual citizenship in a non-English speaking country where I grew up. smile I didn't learn English myself until I was already in the US. Yet, from what I see of your posts here, I think both you and I get along in English better than some English-language native speakers - here in the US, at least wink


thumb Google translate does the job laugh


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799359
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I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.


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Pianbo Marvel level 4B and everything I like smile
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799363
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
thumb Google translate does the job laugh

Haha!!! Now that's like cheating! grin

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.

This is actually on purpose apparently. I complained about this issue to PM Tech Support about 11 months ago. Their response:
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Thank you for your great suggestion! The original Piano Marvel software did score the duration of the notes that were held. We took that aspect out of the programming, because it is correct technique in piano to not hold the notes, and rely on the sostenuto pedal to sustain the notes and the sound. In much music it is impossible to hold the notes for the indicated duration because the composers knew the pianist would be using the pedal to hold. The composers were more concerned with the sound that was created than the notation perfection. Our focus should also be to creating the right sound as well. Great question. Have a Marvelous Day! smile


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799368
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Off-topic, but I wanted to mention to you Sarah65, that on my summer vacation a few months ago, my wife and I visited Liège, and went up and down the 674-step Montagne de Bueren. eek whome wow


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2799379
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Off-topic, but I wanted to mention to you Sarah65, that on my summer vacation a few months ago, my wife and I visited Liège, and went up and down the 674-step Montagne de Bueren. eek whome wow


Awesome, I never go there, speak no French :p

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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799565
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.



This function was in PianoMarvel, but then it was given up because the opinions of the grater part of users.

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Musiah after 2 days already deleted. So boring and annoying. I got crazy from that voice of "the teacher" who commented on everything. You also have no freedom to play what you want, you have to finish the whole list and get at least 80%. Now I realize how good and fun Marvel is. laugh

Playing "BIG C" level 4A now, such a fun song...like it a lot, not easy but just enough challenge.


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Pianbo Marvel level 4B and everything I like smile
Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2799982
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Sigh, 4A huh? I think I will be put into the ground before I finish level 3. I'm convinced that struggle is good for the brain but it's taking a toll on me.

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Still have a few exercises left in 3D. I get that the faster tempos are training to be able to move faster around the keys but man! Sometimes it's killer. Working on Rider now, I think it's called. Glad to know that the other program isn't worth wasting time on.

But PM keeps me motivated. I still work from my method book. I wish I could put my method book exercises into PM.

I also really see the value of watching the accompanying videos and referring to the method book which does have additional markings for dynamics etc. that don't show up in the program.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Sarah65] #2800059
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@ TomInCinci @ GidgetKeys
I want to give you a little courage, level 3 is indeed very difficult and impossible quickly sometimes.
But it gives such satisfaction when you see all those golden pianos in your closet. (Kidding :D)
No the real satisfaction came after level 3 when I noticed that suddenly I could read notes smoothly and lots faster.
And I'm also able to play pieces from a sheet book, which was not possible before.

You can put your exercises from method book in PM. Let me know which and I send them as XML and midi back then you can upload them yourself. Also look in the library, a lot of method is also there.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2800060
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In Piano Marvel BPM is ever in quarter note.

This is actually musically incorrect, based on what I've read about tempo. Which is why I reported it as an error. Cut time has a half note pulse consisting of beats. Therefore the "beats" per minute should be for half notes in this case, not quarter notes. And certainly not quarter notes with no documentation or warnings being given that PM is deviating from the standard musical notation practice in assigning beats per minute (BPM).

PM Tech Support wrote back to me that this is a bug in their software and they will be fixing it (presumably so that with cut time 2/2, the beat is on the half note and not the quarter note).


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
@ TomInCinci @ GidgetKeys
I want to give you a little courage, level 3 is indeed very difficult and impossible quickly sometimes.
But it gives such satisfaction when you see all those golden pianos in your closet. (Kidding :D)
No the real satisfaction came after level 3 when I noticed that suddenly I could read notes smoothly and lots faster.
And I'm also able to play pieces from a sheet book, which was not possible before.

You can put your exercises from method book in PM. Let me know which and I send them as XML and midi back then you can upload them yourself. Also look in the library, a lot of method is also there.


Thank you for your kindness. You're very nice.

Being overwhelmed and feeling like failure is on the horizon is just part of the process for me. I didn't choose an area where I struggled for a career but I do for hobbies sometimes. It does feel like an accomplishment to go from who-are-we-kidding-here to success, even moderate success.

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Being overwhelmed and feeling like failure is on the horizon is just part of the process for me. I didn't choose an area where I struggled for a career but I do for hobbies sometimes. It does feel like an accomplishment to go from who-are-we-kidding-here to success, even moderate success.


Remember how you started in Marvel...C C C C| C C C C| C C C C|| And look what you can do now smile

I have also always chosen struggle hobbies, there is no easy way to satisfaction. I used to learn to program in the Evening School (DOS and BASIC 1985) later I did Art Academy sculpting. And in between another course soldering of circuit boards. And now finaly learning to play piano. Success is so sweet and addictive wink

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Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently? Appart no problem, but both hands together is chaos in my head, panic, completely lost. Especially my left hand starts to strumming with the rhythm but not even near the keys I should play. What should I do?


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Pianbo Marvel level 4B and everything I like smile
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Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently?

Do you mean practicing "hands together" - both hands playing? (just a small clarification, so I don't answer the wrong thing... smile )


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