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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Osho] #2707921
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Originally Posted by Osho
Pointer to this video?


Vimeo link for 8:22 video added. I think it is the same 8:22 Youtube video linked above. . .

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2707981
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Both the compact pianos sound great.


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708053
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Both sounds great - looking forward to full Steinway D - any version on pricing for that?

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708160
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The left right stereo spread is 'jarring'; what perspective is it?

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708224
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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708226
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It's odd because the Ambisonics demo video from last month had some odd left and right issues. Seems more like a youtube video production issue vs. VI issue but not sure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HdGOwS-1U


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708370
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https://www.productionvoices.com/product/concert-grand-compact/
What is the price? $19 ???
Is it any limited version of this virtual piano?
Which version of Steinway D was sampled, German or American?

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708377
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$19 intro. One mic. Does not require Kontakt. Upgradable to full version (when available).

Concert Grand Compact is a high-quality piano sample library for the FREE Plogue sforzando sampled from a Steinway D concert grand piano in a world-class recording studio. Concert Grand Compact contains samples from the larger Concert Grand (soon to be released) without the need for the Kontakt sampler.

Concert Grand Compact takes arguably the best single microphone perspective from Concert Grand, our 1.3 TB Steinway D piano library, and places it in the Plogue sforzando player for a highly compact, fast loading amazing sounding virtual instrument piano that is easy to use and inspiring to play!

Description
9′ Concert Grand Piano in your computer!
Over 10 GB*
Format: FREE Plogue sforzando!
Delivered Immediately by Download

Concert Grand Compact Features:
Recorded with Neumann “Golden” M149 tube mics just outside the piano lid
24 bit 96k source samples reduced to 16 bit 44.1k using Goodhertz conversion
Round-robin pedal noise samples with normal and loud settings
Sampled key up mechanical noises from the actual keyboard action
Sympathetic Resonance with on/off and volume controls
Sostenuto pedaling
Recorded at world-Class Toronto studio through classic Neve console
Burl Mothership boutique-quality A/D converters used
Premium API microphone preamps used
12 – 15* velocities pedal up (selected from over 20 sampled velocities)
12 – 14* velocities pedal down (selected from over 20 sampled velocities)
8* velocities release samples (selected from 16 sampled velocities)
Ultrafast loading
Extremely memory efficient thanks to lossless FLAC compression

Digital download delivery: Immediately after purchase, download links are provided.
The files can be expanded using any ZIP utility. Mac users can simply double click the downloaded file.

System Requirements:
Requires 64 bit version of Plogue sforzando available HERE for free.
Mac OSX 10.7 or greater or PC with a 64 bit version of Windows
2 GB of free hard drive space. 8 GB RAM. Fast 7200 RPM hard drive or a solid state drive.
Solid State Drive or 7200rpm Hard Drive recommended for best performance.
*Note about file size: Concert Grand Compact samples are provided in FLAC format. FLAC is a loss-less file format meaning that it will sound exactly like the uncompressed WAV source files from the sampling session but take up less than half the disk space with no audio quality degradation. Concert Grand Compact source sample size before compression is over 10 GB! The digital delivery size is just about 3 GB with no loss in quality. * Individual note velocities per note may vary slightly.

Concert Grand Compact User Manual:
https://www.productionvoices.com/wp...oncert-Grand-Compact-SFZ-User-Manual.pdf

Upgradeable to the full version of Concert Grand:
Concert Grand Compact is upgradable to the full version of Concert Grand (when available), should you purchase Native Instruments Kontakt at a later time. If you are a Concert Grand Compact registered user wishing to upgrade to the full Concert Grand (not yet available), please contact support and request the upgrade.

Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708380
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I understood, that is basic version of this VST?
How about version of the piano, American or German?


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: newer player] #2708384
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Upgradeable to the full version of Concert Grand:
Concert Grand Compact is upgradable to the full version of Concert Grand (when available), should you purchase Native Instruments Kontakt at a later time. If you are a Concert Grand Compact registered user wishing to upgrade to the full Concert Grand (not yet available), please contact support and request the upgrade.


Will the full version use sforzando or some other sofware? What is Kontakt and what does is have to do with your Concert Grand Samples? Thanks.

God Bless,
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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708388
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I already got info from Production Voices Support, that is an American version of Steinway D.
Shame, I want a German.

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: David B] #2708426
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Originally Posted by David B
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Upgradeable to the full version of Concert Grand:
Concert Grand Compact is upgradable to the full version of Concert Grand (when available), should you purchase Native Instruments Kontakt at a later time. If you are a Concert Grand Compact registered user wishing to upgrade to the full Concert Grand (not yet available), please contact support and request the upgrade.


Will the full version use sforzando or some other sofware? What is Kontakt and what does is have to do with your Concert Grand Samples? Thanks.

God Bless,
David

No, obviously full version use Native instruments Kontakt program. NI Kontakt is a sampler and home for lots of sample libraries. Through NI Kontakt you can load and play piano and lots of other instruments. Kontakt is a industry standard for sample libraries. Unfortunately you must buy it separately from instrument.

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: slobajudge] #2708475
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Will the full version use sforzando or some other software? What is Kontakt and what does is have to do with your Concert Grand Samples? Thanks.

God Bless,
David

No, obviously full version use Native instruments Kontakt program.


Why is it obvious? There is a tendency for some major developers to circumvent Kontakt with their own platform. Sample Modelling (or a faction thereof) is a good example of this with their SWAM engine. The sfortzando player is somewhat similar to the Garritan CFX platform - indeed the cfx can be loaded into either player.


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: toddy] #2708483
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Originally Posted by toddy
[ The sfortzando player is somewhat similar to the Garritan CFX platform - indeed the cfx can be loaded into either player.


Indeed, they're both based on Plogue.


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: toddy] #2708485
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Originally Posted by toddy
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Will the full version use sforzando or some other software? What is Kontakt and what does is have to do with your Concert Grand Samples? Thanks.

God Bless,
David

No, obviously full version use Native instruments Kontakt program.


Why is it obvious?


Because it says so on the page:

https://www.productionvoices.com/product/concert-grand-compact/

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Concert Grand Compact is upgradable to the full version of Concert Grand (when available), should you purchase Native Instruments Kontakt at a later time. If you are a Concert Grand Compact registered user wishing to upgrade to the full Concert Grand (not yet available), please contact support and request the upgrade.

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Osho] #2708491
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Originally Posted by Osho


Because it says so on the page:



Ahh well. That is obvious enough!


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708507
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Post from another forum. Not sure of what the price will be at the official public launch.

"I am very excited to announce the release of Concert Grand Compact to you, our customers and subscribers ahead of the official public launch! I couldn't have made this Steinway D piano sample library without your input, feedback and support. So, what better way to thank you than to give you the best pricing and first access to Concert Grand Compact!
Starting today, Thursday January 25th, the sale begins. I will update the price each day. Hurry to get the best pricing early in the sale.

7 Day Sale:
Day 1: $19
Day 2: $29
Day 3: $29
Day 4: $34
Day 5: $39
Day 6: $44
Day 7: $49

Concert Grand Compact retails for $99. This is an excellent opportunity to save up to 80% if you get it early."

In any event, I already bought it and played a bit with it this morning. Compared to the Production Grand Compact, the sound is not as bright (no surprise), more full bodied and warm, especially in the lower registers. The hammer attack is discernible on each note whereas it is not as noticeable with PGC. I would say the hammer attack is a smidge more noticeable than the Grandeur or Vintage D. Overall, the library is very clear and unprocessed sounding.

Note to note timbre is very even across the entire range with nothing standing out. Appears this piano was is good condition and well set up. PGC had a number of notes that stood out with artifacts either due to hammer wear or other noises.

I did not come across any of the same issues with notes dropping out or sympathetic resonance sticking as with PGC (note Jason has an updated script in process which I tested that addresses these in PGC). The only issue I found was with trills or repetitions with the sustain pedal down, there is a significant release tail when you release the pedal that should not be there. This should be easily fixable in the script.

Overall, I think prefer the Concert Grand Compact over PGC. I hope to play around more tonight and compare it to some of my other libraries.

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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand [Re: Cinjero] #2708518
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Thanks bsntn99 - that was enough of a kick to get me to drop 19$.

Downloading now - only 2.7GB

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I've downloaded it as well; not time to install it yet, but will try to do so later, or else tomorrow. I'm a bit concerned with all the messages warning us about imperfect "real" piano sounds and piano noises; I'm bracing myself for a rather distant and noisy sound, but we'll see!


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Joined the club. Won't have time to download and install until next week probably, and have sore eczema hands right now, so I can hardly play. I'm not really looking for a new piano VST, but because of this low starting price I pulled the trigger, out of curiosity mostly.

I like playing with those lightweight VSTis, even more than the big ones, because of the fast loading time, yet quite a lot of tweaking possibilities, especially in the case of the Production Voices libraries. Reaper gives me the chance to add EQ, so the minimal interface of Sforzando is not a big problem.


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