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#2707706 - Yesterday at 10:06 AM digital vs grand  
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I was just thinking, for those who have had experience with owning a real grand piano and a digital, at which price point (USD), does it make sense to move from a digital to a grand piano (new or used)?

For instance a Yamaha digital clavinova piano model clp685 is about 6 thousand USD new, where as I have heard you can get a used entry level Yamaha grand for about 6 /7 USD etc...

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#2707711 - Yesterday at 10:21 AM Re: digital vs grand [Re: Jitin]  
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Moving from one to the other is the wrong idea. What makes sense is to have both. A slab digital gives you portability, silent practice, and you can stash it in a closet when you need the space. The acoustic grand gives you the ultimate sound and touch. Regular practice on both develops your ability to adapt to different instruments.


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#2707732 - Yesterday at 10:57 AM Re: digital vs grand [Re: Jitin]  
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Originally Posted by Jitin
For instance a Yamaha digital clavinova piano model clp685 is about 6 thousand USD new, where as I have heard you can get a used entry level Yamaha grand for about 6 /7 USD etc...

If we're just talking about the piano playing experience, personally, I'd take any used Yamaha grand in decent condition over any digital. For that matter, I'd take a nice upright over any digital. The reasons to buy a digital are, as John said, things like portability or silent playing, also lack of maintenance, and/or also the other features they may have (MIDI, other sounds, etc.). If you want to record your playing, you'll easily get great sound out of a digital (or MIDI controlling a VST), whereas for an acoustic, you'd want good mics, a good sounding room, and experience/knowledge about how to properly record a piano. So yeah, they each have their place. But strictly to enjoy playing piano, IMO, it's the real thing every time, assuming you find something in budget that is in good condition and has a feel and sound you like.

#2707858 - Yesterday at 05:45 PM Re: digital vs grand [Re: Jitin]  
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Originally Posted by Jitin
I was just thinking, for those who have had experience with owning a real grand piano and a digital, at which price point (USD), does it make sense to move from a digital to a grand piano (new or used)?

For instance a Yamaha digital clavinova piano model clp685 is about 6 thousand USD new, where as I have heard you can get a used entry level Yamaha grand for about 6 /7 USD etc...

It depends on your preferences. I like having a wide selection of voices, always having a perfect tuning, a reasonable instrument weight/size, and volume control. If I damage my hearing, piano playing is over and done. Acoustics are just too loud for me.

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#2707862 - Yesterday at 05:56 PM Re: digital vs grand [Re: R111]  
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Originally Posted by R111
If I damage my hearing, piano playing is over and done. Acoustics are just too loud for me.

Is hearing damage an occupational hazard for pianists? If so, using a DP could minimise the risk although you'd have to be careful with headphones and the temptation to ramp up the volume.


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#2707918 - Yesterday at 09:32 PM Re: digital vs grand [Re: toddy]  
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Originally Posted by toddy
Originally Posted by R111
If I damage my hearing, piano playing is over and done. Acoustics are just too loud for me.

Is hearing damage an occupational hazard for pianists? If so, using a DP could minimise the risk although you'd have to be careful with headphones and the temptation to ramp up the volume.

I am curious about this myself. Acoustic grands are pretty loud and I wonder how people manage who practice on it for hours.

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#2707932 - Yesterday at 10:33 PM Re: digital vs grand [Re: Jitin]  
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On the chart below normal piano practice is listed as 60-70 dB. On the same chart "normal conversation at 3' " is listed as 60-65 dB. I'm not going deaf from practicing on my grand.

https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/decibel-loudness-comparison-chart/

#2707935 - Yesterday at 11:45 PM Re: digital vs grand [Re: Jitin]  
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You might want to add "digital hybrid" to the comparison list. Real acoustic action, digital sounds. Most of the "feel" of a real acoustic grand, none of the hassle (like tuning!). Seriously, that's an issue these days. Where I live, none of the piano tuners are calling me back. Maybe I'll have to learn how to do it myself?

Agree with the thought that you need to be able to adapt. Going back and forth between different boards is good for my technique. And it's a pretty wide range.

My digital slabs are far and away the most versatile. I can play out with bands, practice at home with headphones, etc. Buy a good one, never look back. If $$$ are short, be patient and find a used one. Guys like me sell theirs periodically.

I've lost count of how many different acoustic pianos Nord has sampled. Never, ever get bored with the sounds. Got bored with other digitals, though. The other thing better DP slabs do well is recording. I've got a handful of semi-pro recordings, sounds just like a tricked-out grand piano with perfect miking. I want for no more.

In my vacation house, I've got a Yamaha AvantGrande N3. 90%+ of the AP grand experience, maybe more. The type of instrument you can lose yourself in when the mood is right. Vibrations and keybed feel everywhere. Very, very convincing. Horribly stiff and demanding when I first got it, but it loosened and I got stronger. I've always been a sucker for Yamaha pianos: grands, uprights, slabs, etc. They work for me.

Other digital hybrids are on the market, some quite good. Heavy beasts, though, thanks to their AP actions, wood cabinets, etc.

And in my primary residence, an exquisite Bosie grand. One of 25 made. An outrageous AP experience.

Back to DPs? There is clearly a club of folks addicted to software-based samples. I've played them through a decent controller, I understand the attraction. Incredible depth, ultimate flexibility. If I was into high-end recording, that would be the path. Geek nirvana.

But decent weighted MIDI controllers aren't cheap either. Nor light. And you'll probably want a dedicated PC, plus a rack, plus lots of cables. All too fussy for me, I just want to sit down and play when the mood strikes vs. upgrade my software. But if that's your style, huge audio bang for buck.

Can't comment on the hearing loss thing. At 59, my hearing is as sharp as ever. And I've played in all sorts of loud electric bands. Earplugs are my friend when things get intense. Especially when I'm driving 2000 watts of keyboard stage amplification.

The only problem I have with my hearing is when my wife is nattering me. Sorry, honey, what was that? Everything else is crystal clear smile


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#2707963 - 5 minutes ago Re: digital vs grand [Re: Osho]  
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Originally Posted by Osho
Originally Posted by toddy
Originally Posted by R111
If I damage my hearing, piano playing is over and done. Acoustics are just too loud for me.

Is hearing damage an occupational hazard for pianists? If so, using a DP could minimise the risk although you'd have to be careful with headphones and the temptation to ramp up the volume.

I am curious about this myself. Acoustic grands are pretty loud and I wonder how people manage who practice on it for hours.
Osho

Grands are not that loud to cause hearing damage. Still sometimes a pretty big grand in a small room can cause mental strain or headache. For me that particularly concerns instruments with bright sound. In that case light earplugs are helpful. Edit: And the lid should be closed, of course.

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