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#2707048 - 01/21/18 12:33 PM Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635  
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A fairly specific face off I know. I am interested in opinions of which to buy. This is for my mother. We've been to a store and played the CLP 625 and the CLP 645 (no CLP 635 in stock). She is intent on getting a Clavinova as likes the cabinet design and wants a Yamaha. I've tried to convince her to consider Kawai but she had never heard of them so understandably, wanted to stick to Yamaha or Roland. The Rolands all sound "too digital" and unrealistic to her. So here we are.... her budget is "I can afford the CLP 625 and 635 but not the 645".

So currently in the UK:

The CLP 625 is around £1000 (GH3X key action, plastic keys)
The CLP 635 is around £1350 (GH3X key action, plastic keys, more substantial speakers, taller cabinet, VRM and bluetooth)
The CLP 645 is around £1800 (same as above 635 with natural wood keys)

Then there is the older model CLP 545 which appears to still be available from some stockists for about the same as the CLP 635.

My question is, would you go with the CLP 635 or the older CLP 545? The older 545 does not have the VRM (Virtual resonance modeling) but otherwise I'm not sure if the sound is much different from the newer 6 series models? The main reason to go with the 545 would be to get the natural wood keys for a much cheaper price than the 645.

We played on both and we both preferred the key action of the nautral wood keys. It just felt nicer to play on and the less dense keys just felt like you could play with slightly better dynamics. Otherwise she has said she definitely wants the taller "more acoustic piano looking" cabinet of the 635/645/545. So the 625 is out.


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#2707061 - 01/21/18 01:08 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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I think your mother should make the choice.

#2707078 - 01/21/18 01:57 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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Even without VRM, the CLP-545 still has the "old" damper and string resonances.

And CLP-545 and CLP-645 have two way speaker systems, so unless headphones are used, the x45 models (*)probably sound more natural and less boxy and muffled than the lower models.

(* I have no personal real-life experience.)

There's also the Arius YDP-184 apparently available in some shops in North America:

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/arius/ydp-184/index.html

It has the taller cabinet and VRM, but plastic keys.

#2707096 - 01/21/18 03:08 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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I have the CLP 575 for the past 3 years and like it. You also may considered a used one. I did by mine new. However, some people, buy one think they are going to play and then lose interest.

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#2707166 - 01/21/18 06:54 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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I had owned the 545 in the past and played also the 645 for testing purposes. I didn't had experienced much difference between them on the sound front. The key action is exactly the same NWX, speaker setup is the same. New things like VRM has some value but i barely noticed it on this model. Binaural CFX voice for headphones is a thing you should try out, i don't like it at all. The 545 don't has bluetooth and the black keys are missing synthetic ebony key tops (minor problem).

The 545 is still a very good piano and with the NWX keyboard, 100W speaker setup a good alternative to the 635 with 60W speakers and the plastic GH3 keys. I would suggest the 545 due to better keys and speaker setup if some features on the 635 aren't mandatory. Also you stated that you and your mom both like the NWX, so it's a no brainer more or less.


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#2707178 - 01/21/18 07:44 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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Very little changes from one generation of Clavinova to the next. If you can grab a 545 for less money than a 645, you'll notice the cash saved and you'll not notice any difference in the piano.

You won't find differences in the pianos. Only in in the marketing lingo (claptrap / slaptalk / slick willie / bull crap).

#2707319 - Yesterday at 05:26 AM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Very little changes from one generation of Clavinova to the next. If you can grab a 545 for less money than a 645, you'll notice the cash saved and you'll not notice any difference in the piano.

You won't find differences in the pianos. Only in in the marketing lingo (claptrap / slaptalk / slick willie / bull crap).


To be fair, there is the trickle down effect of better technology. For example, the YDP 161 about 7 years ago gave you a good but very basic digital piano. The current YDP 163 has the GH3 Action ( double escapement action in effect ) which is a detail but a very significant detail, previously only. available much further up the range.

Roland and Kawai have been innovating significant improvements faster than Yamaha, so the trickle down effect with them is arguably more marked.

So it's worth checking the difference first. Though I completely agree with macmacmac that the differences are mostly window dressing. In fact, sometimes older models are better, especially in terms of robustness and the quality of connectors.


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#2707340 - Yesterday at 06:50 AM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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I own the 645 and have played both the 635 and 545 at length. It's not an easy choice between the latter two, both have pros and cons. The advantages for the 635 are the VRM and also that the Bösendorfer sound has improved quite a bit for the 600 series compared with 500 (not much difference in CFX sound), plus it's newer, so it has a bit neater menu system and design. The 545 has much better keys (NWX) and better speaker setup. Personally I would probably choose the 545.


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#2707341 - Yesterday at 06:52 AM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Very little changes from one generation of Clavinova to the next. If you can grab a 545 for less money than a 645, you'll notice the cash saved and you'll not notice any difference in the piano.

You won't find differences in the pianos. Only in in the marketing lingo (claptrap / slaptalk / slick willie / bull crap).


Mac, you have expressed this opinion many times, and also stressed many times that the only way to judge a piano is to play it (I agree with your latter point). However you have also mentioned in your posts that you haven't played the last 3 or 4 generations of Yamaha Clavinova at all. So why do you keep expressing strong opinion on something that you have no hands-on experience with?


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#2707353 - Yesterday at 07:57 AM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: alphonsus]  
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Originally Posted by alphonsus
The 545 has much better keys (NWX) and better speaker setup.


They are substantial and, for me, decisive, differences.


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#2707433 - Yesterday at 11:36 AM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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Having played both (albeit briefly in the showroom), I would go for the 545.

Only have to wait another 3 years for the 7XX Clavinova series ;-)

#2707500 - Yesterday at 02:57 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: PianoGuyStuart]  
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Surprisingly, it appears to be quite hard to buy a CLP-545 now. I thought they were only replaced by the 6 series last year. Thanks for the advice. I currently own a YDP-S51 mainly due to space limitations (very compact cabinet). My mother does not really have a space issue so can buy what she likes.

#2707577 - Yesterday at 07:58 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: alphonsus]  
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Why? Because change is slow. What has happened before will happen again. And again.
Originally Posted by alphonsus
Mac, you have expressed this opinion many times, and also stressed many times that the only way to judge a piano is to play it (I agree with your latter point). However you have also mentioned in your posts that you haven't played the last 3 or 4 generations of Yamaha Clavinova at all. So why do you keep expressing strong opinion on something that you have no hands-on experience with?
When I see the same thing happening time after time in the past, and if I understand the business motivation for same, I fully expect it to happen again in the future.

#2707579 - Yesterday at 08:04 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: toddy]  
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Yes, toddy. This is true ...
Originally Posted by toddy
To be fair, there is the trickle down effect of better technology. For example, the YDP 161 about 7 years ago gave you a good but very basic digital piano. The current YDP 163 has the GH3 Action (double escapement action in effect) which is a detail but a very significant detail, previously only. available much further up the range.
It's true far and wide, in product lines of all kinds.

But I wouldn't call that double escapement (or even single escapement).
Only the AGs (and perhaps the predecessor GT models?) have an escapement.
The other pianos have flicker-clickers. Click, yes. Escapement, no.

#2707585 - Yesterday at 09:06 PM Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: MacMacMac]  
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MacMacMac, I'm perhaps an unlikely supporter, however I also felt your negative comments were a little harsh against Yamaha.

The latest CLP-600 series are excellent digital pianos, and a notable step-up over the CLP-500 series, which were also a step-up over the previous generation models.

To say:

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You won't find differences in the pianos. Only in in the marketing lingo (claptrap / slaptalk / slick willie / bull crap).


...is frankly a disservice to the talented engineers that work so hard improving each generation of instrument.

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#2707613 - 1 hour ago Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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It's a credit to KJ for standing up for Yamaha engineers!!

As an engineer, I applaud it whole-heartedly.

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#2707637 - 4 minutes ago Re: Yamaha CLP 545 vs 635 [Re: pianist007]  
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The easy (and cheap) improvements are already done years ago, improving things will take more and more time and effort.

On the bright side, our instruments will not become obsolete within 5 years.


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