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A stage piano. No speakers. Maybe quite close to the Korg C1 otherwise. Around 600 GBP / 700 EUR / USD 850 or so.

http://www.korg.com/us/products/digitalpianos/d1/

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Yes, I noticed that earlier... looks like it competes with Kawai's ES110 and Yamaha's P115... but Korg's RH3 action far outclasses the Yamaha.


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Sweetwater's page for the piano isn't live, but they have a google shopping result for it showing the Korg D1 at $800.00

https://i.imgur.com/6ciai8j.png

Looks like it only has a port for a damper pedal?

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An interesting set of compromises. Korg's RH3 action is quite nice imo. Nice that it includes line outs and midi ports. Odd that it doesn't offer USB to host (yes there are adapters, but still I find it odd to not be included in this day and age). It does offer layering 2 sounds together, but apparently not splitting the keyboard (and seemingly no acoustic bass sounds, though perhaps they're in the vibes/guitar category. It's definitely an interesting entry into its category.


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Considerably less feature-filled than Korg C1 and G1. In addition to Fizikisto's list, I might mention: only one basic AP (instead of two in C1), no string res (C1 has, yes?), and single pedal (vs triple in C1).

However, demos sound very good and piano sound may tip scales against the Kawai for some.

Another competitor in price range is Casio Privia PX160.

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Just throwing it out there, out of curiosity: what about the action? How does it compare to Kawai RHC and Roland PHA4-standard? And how does it compare to the better actions? It's been many years since and I have absolutely no memory of it. And, of course, what about key length? :))
I know this is Korg's top action, so this is an interesting question to ask in this price range. Might work well as a piano controller if it's significantly better than the above smile

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Originally Posted by mcoll
And, of course, what about key length? :))


Long. Quite close to Yamaha's and Roland's better actions, I guess.

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The keybed is good, but it is unashamedly plastic. I tried the Air piano, G1 air, with it's own speakers. Looked brilliant for the money.


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From what I recall the RH3 the frame of the keybed is steel or aluminum, very solid feeling. The keys are plastic but that's the same with Roland and Kawai's plastic actions.


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No triple sensor is mentioned though.


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The dome caps in the picture look like double sensor to me.


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Fear not guys. I'll try a trill on it soon. Dammit, can I play a trill??? smile


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Yes, those look long indeed. It's not the best picture to measure on, but the keys appear to be 21.5 - 22cm long (Yamaha has 21.5 I believe and Roland 22 in their top actions, notwithstanding the grantouch).
The question of triple sensors and that of feel remains, but it would be amazing to have a top action at such a price laugh
And it also seems very portable. Would've been great to have usb as well. Anyway, this might be a great choice for somebody just looking for a great action. Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

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Originally Posted by mcoll
Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

It's well-known, it's been used in the SV1 since 2009. It was also used in the SP-250, the 88 key versions of the M3 and M50 workstations, the 73 and 88 key versions of the Kronos/Kronos X/Kronos 2. It's also what's in the Grandstage. Though the Kronos/M3 versions are different in that they also have aftertouch.

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The "3" in Korg's RH3 doesn't refer to the number of sensors. It's dual sensor.

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Originally Posted by mcoll
Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

Bought a Kronos 2 after checking all the best models from other brands. I personally find its RH3 action and especially its touch/sound response better than all the others I tried, especially for acoustic piano sounds. I play advanced répertoire exactly as I want, including fast repeated notes, etc. The Korg Berlin (Bechstein) grand is excellent and extremely responsive (many prefer the other piano sounds too). I own the K2 since more than a year, mainly practicing classical piano on it and everything is as solid and reliable as day one.

Many buy after being influenced by specs and theoretical apparent advantage of whatever little technical things, I choose my instruments after trying them extensively. For people who only believe in specs, the RH3 "pivots" are at 218 mm. So again, don't buy a DP without trying it.

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I have a Korg G1 Air with RH3 action.

I think the action is the best thing about it. I like it a lot. I get the impression that Korg may have quietly refined the RH3 over the years. It has two sensors but if anything I think it handles quick repetition as well as any I have tried.

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IIRC the 3 in RH3 stands for the graded zones--3 of them (soft, medium, hard) across the keyboard?

WRT fast repetition, I don't recall seeing any digital action from any maker in the last 15+ years that couldn't keep up with the typical professional pianist.


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Soft, medium, hard sound more like velocity curve settings.

I have read here. http://www.synth-parts.com/en/Produ...ement-keys-forRH3-Keyboard-purwhite.html That RH3 is a 4 zones keyboard.


IMHO, the 3 of RH3 is just 2+1 where the 2 is the number of the previous action, RH2.

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Triple sensor thing is rather about being able to replay a key without releasing it fully. A quick repetition is a result of that and more specifically pianissimo trills/repetitions. Louder repetitions where you release the key fully is possible even on two sensor keyboards.

Anyway, for that price there are no pianos with triple sensors. Not sure about FP30 though.


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