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New Korg D1 stage piano #2706110
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A stage piano. No speakers. Maybe quite close to the Korg C1 otherwise. Around 600 GBP / 700 EUR / USD 850 or so.

http://www.korg.com/us/products/digitalpianos/d1/

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Re: New Korg D1 stage piano [Re: clothearednincompo] #2706169
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Yes, I noticed that earlier... looks like it competes with Kawai's ES110 and Yamaha's P115... but Korg's RH3 action far outclasses the Yamaha.


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Sweetwater's page for the piano isn't live, but they have a google shopping result for it showing the Korg D1 at $800.00

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Looks like it only has a port for a damper pedal?

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An interesting set of compromises. Korg's RH3 action is quite nice imo. Nice that it includes line outs and midi ports. Odd that it doesn't offer USB to host (yes there are adapters, but still I find it odd to not be included in this day and age). It does offer layering 2 sounds together, but apparently not splitting the keyboard (and seemingly no acoustic bass sounds, though perhaps they're in the vibes/guitar category. It's definitely an interesting entry into its category.


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Considerably less feature-filled than Korg C1 and G1. In addition to Fizikisto's list, I might mention: only one basic AP (instead of two in C1), no string res (C1 has, yes?), and single pedal (vs triple in C1).

However, demos sound very good and piano sound may tip scales against the Kawai for some.

Another competitor in price range is Casio Privia PX160.

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Just throwing it out there, out of curiosity: what about the action? How does it compare to Kawai RHC and Roland PHA4-standard? And how does it compare to the better actions? It's been many years since and I have absolutely no memory of it. And, of course, what about key length? :))
I know this is Korg's top action, so this is an interesting question to ask in this price range. Might work well as a piano controller if it's significantly better than the above smile

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Originally Posted by mcoll
And, of course, what about key length? :))


Long. Quite close to Yamaha's and Roland's better actions, I guess.

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The keybed is good, but it is unashamedly plastic. I tried the Air piano, G1 air, with it's own speakers. Looked brilliant for the money.


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From what I recall the RH3 the frame of the keybed is steel or aluminum, very solid feeling. The keys are plastic but that's the same with Roland and Kawai's plastic actions.


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Re: New Korg D1 stage piano [Re: clothearednincompo] #2706803
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No triple sensor is mentioned though.


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The dome caps in the picture look like double sensor to me.


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Fear not guys. I'll try a trill on it soon. Dammit, can I play a trill??? smile


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Yes, those look long indeed. It's not the best picture to measure on, but the keys appear to be 21.5 - 22cm long (Yamaha has 21.5 I believe and Roland 22 in their top actions, notwithstanding the grantouch).
The question of triple sensors and that of feel remains, but it would be amazing to have a top action at such a price laugh
And it also seems very portable. Would've been great to have usb as well. Anyway, this might be a great choice for somebody just looking for a great action. Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

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Originally Posted by mcoll
Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

It's well-known, it's been used in the SV1 since 2009. It was also used in the SP-250, the 88 key versions of the M3 and M50 workstations, the 73 and 88 key versions of the Kronos/Kronos X/Kronos 2. It's also what's in the Grandstage. Though the Kronos/M3 versions are different in that they also have aftertouch.

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The "3" in Korg's RH3 doesn't refer to the number of sensors. It's dual sensor.

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Originally Posted by mcoll
Anybody familiar with the Korg's RH3? smile

Bought a Kronos 2 after checking all the best models from other brands. I personally find its RH3 action and especially its touch/sound response better than all the others I tried, especially for acoustic piano sounds. I play advanced répertoire exactly as I want, including fast repeated notes, etc. The Korg Berlin (Bechstein) grand is excellent and extremely responsive (many prefer the other piano sounds too). I own the K2 since more than a year, mainly practicing classical piano on it and everything is as solid and reliable as day one.

Many buy after being influenced by specs and theoretical apparent advantage of whatever little technical things, I choose my instruments after trying them extensively. For people who only believe in specs, the RH3 "pivots" are at 218 mm. So again, don't buy a DP without trying it.

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I have a Korg G1 Air with RH3 action.

I think the action is the best thing about it. I like it a lot. I get the impression that Korg may have quietly refined the RH3 over the years. It has two sensors but if anything I think it handles quick repetition as well as any I have tried.


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IIRC the 3 in RH3 stands for the graded zones--3 of them (soft, medium, hard) across the keyboard?

WRT fast repetition, I don't recall seeing any digital action from any maker in the last 15+ years that couldn't keep up with the typical professional pianist.


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Soft, medium, hard sound more like velocity curve settings.

I have read here. http://www.synth-parts.com/en/Produ...ement-keys-forRH3-Keyboard-purwhite.html That RH3 is a 4 zones keyboard.


IMHO, the 3 of RH3 is just 2+1 where the 2 is the number of the previous action, RH2.

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Triple sensor thing is rather about being able to replay a key without releasing it fully. A quick repetition is a result of that and more specifically pianissimo trills/repetitions. Louder repetitions where you release the key fully is possible even on two sensor keyboards.

Anyway, for that price there are no pianos with triple sensors. Not sure about FP30 though.


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CyberGene is right, there's no need for a third sensor to get quick repetitions, which are certainly perfectly do-able on a 2-sensor RH3. Something you can't do is lift a key enough to re-trigger it without silencing it first (unless you have the sustain pedal down). The number of people here who complained about that in the days before triple sensor is probably roughly zero. But yes, the third sensor generally helps with quiet repetitions and trills (again, soft ones in particular).

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The fp30 is triple sensor indeed, but this action may feel better, according to Bosendorff for example, who chose the Kronos over other pianos for pretty much classical stuff.
I will have to try it once, just to satisfy my curiosity smile
I have tried it around 10 years ago, but I have no recollection whatsoever on the feeling.

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I have a Korg G1 Air with RH3 action.

I think the action is the best thing about it. I like it a lot. I get the impression that Korg may have quietly refined the RH3 over the years. It has two sensors but if anything I think it handles quick repetition as well as any I have tried.


Can you give us a review of this? There's one in my local shop, and it looks so wonderfully cool . . . I remember the upright piano sound was impressive, but I need to spend time on it.
Did you not have the CS11 or something?


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Not happy with an external power block and its flimsy connection. Would have loved internal power like on the new Korg Prologue (or the GrandStage) and a hefty connection cord.

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Sorry guys, I was totally miss-remembering this one. I had seen a video on the RH3 a while back and thought it had 3 zones. The Korg demo unit in the video clearly has 4 (and there was a thread somewhere on the Kronos forum dating there are 8 different hammer shapes?) So I think Frederik is right in that there are at least 4 graded zones on the RH3.

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Might just be the same as the LP380 minus the speakers and stand. But added a 3 digit LED.

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I think the action is the best thing about it. I like it a lot. I get the impression that Korg may have quietly refined the RH3 over the years. It has two sensors but if anything I think it handles quick repetition as well as any I have tried.

Exactly. On the K2, it offers the best alternative for me when I can't play my grand piano (or when I practice passages repetitively and don't want to annoy others in the house).

Korg indeed improved its RH3 action over the years.The first 88-key Ks from a few years ago had RH3 actions with a certain type of contacts, but the new 88-key K2s (+ those with earlier Ks who ordered the upgrade) and newer 88-key Korg synths have RH3 actions with deeper contacts which give a feel closer to a normally regulated grand action. I could adapt to it very quickly and can play soft or loud repeated notes very easily. What's more, it is also ideal for me to play Hammond organ and synths stuff, even if it is a weighted and graded action. YMMV

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I did notice that the RH3 on my SV1 seems to have a "lower" trigger point than average. So on one hand, you don't have to lift they key as high to retrigger as you do on some other 2-sensor boards, but OTOH, if you don't have the pedal depressed, on release, a note can stop a bit sooner than you might expect (i.e. based on your experience with other boards).

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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Might just be the same as the LP380 minus the speakers and stand. But added a 3 digit LED.

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Which is the same price, so what would be the advantage of the new D1? Portability?

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Both have the 3-digit LED. And yup, looks like the same thing in a more portable package. Appeals to a different customer.

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D1 live gig. Pianist is very good but D1 not wowing me. Could be the recording/mix. However, I do like the simplicity and build of the D1.




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Sounds very digital but could very well be the recording. Essbrace seems to enjoy his G1, and he’s guided me well over the years with certain models, namely the Nord Pianos and Kawais, so I’m sure these new Korgs are solid boards.


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I've listened to some demos which sound like they're probably direct, and I don't like it much. The Grandstage sounds great though.

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Good demo on D1. I always like this guy's demos:



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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Good demo on D1. I always like this guy's demos:


Audio is mono throughout. Big missed opportunity to really demonstrate the sound of this thing.


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Originally Posted by EssBrace

Audio is mono throughout. Big missed opportunity to really demonstrate the sound of this thing.



Good point EssBrace on mono. Audio noticeably better in this demo:



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First D1 price I've seen so far in US: $629.99. It will probably average out at $599 in a couple months. IMO I think this is a very good deal considering its sounds, gig simplicity, and mostly Korg's RH3 action same in the Grandstage and Kronos.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1413228-REG/korg_d1_digital_stage_piano_with.html

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For the price this is a very good deal. I had an SV1 and I really like the RH3 action. And listening to both demos, I think that attached to a good set of speakers this will sound quite good. Perfect for gigs where you only need a small pallet of Bread & Butter sounds or already own something like a Roland Integra 7.


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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
First D1 price I've seen so far in US: $629.99. It will probably average out at $599 in a couple months. IMO I think this is a very good deal considering its sounds, gig simplicity, and mostly Korg's RH3 action same in the Grandstage and Kronos.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1413228-REG/korg_d1_digital_stage_piano_with.html


The description says it has "1/4" / 6.3 mm damper pedal input (half-pedaling supported)" and the site separately lists a $49 'professional' half-pedaling pedal as an accessory. So it seems possible the included pedal - as we see with Roland's lower-priced offerings - is a plastic sustain-brick and you need to pay more for a better pedal.

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Yes, very few stage pianos come with a 1/2 damper pedal. But many accept one. They have to keep the price point somehow. And if you think about it if all of Korg's offerings came with one, they would eat into the sales of the pedal. Its not that expensive to add one.


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$600 for an RH3 action keyboard is pretty darned sweet, I have to say. I spent some time on an SV1 back a couple of years ago and generally liked it.


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Yes, very few stage pianos come with a 1/2 damper pedal. But many accept one. They have to keep the price point somehow.


Well, Kawai figured out for their least expensive DPs when no one else did, then. smile

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at 35 lbs. probably the best combination of price and weight for what some consider a high end action!?
have not had the opportunity to try the rh3 action yet myself.


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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
First D1 price I've seen so far in US: $629.99. It will probably average out at $599 in a couple months. IMO I think this is a very good deal considering its sounds, gig simplicity, and mostly Korg's RH3 action same in the Grandstage and Kronos.


Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post, however I don't believe the D1 uses the same sounds as the Grandstage or Kronos.

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First D1 price I've seen so far in US: $629.99. It will probably average out at $599 in a couple months. IMO I think this is a very good deal considering its sounds, gig simplicity, and mostly Korg's RH3 action same in the Grandstage and Kronos.


Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post, however I don't believe the D1 uses the same sounds as the Grandstage or Kronos.

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Hi James, I only meant "RH3 action". I'm not sure what Korg is using for the piano engine on the D1. Could be the same piano default as Kronos and Grandstage?? ... IDK. I was just pointing out that it was a decent price for Korg's high-end action and ease of use if gigging it. Also, the demo sounds seemed very good - all at a good price. BUT let me be clear that my opinion is purely based on specs, price, and Youtube demos. I haven't seen or touched a D1, but I have touched RH3 action many times and like it. However, I should know better before posting opinions without demoing an actual D1.

The reason I think I like the D1 is somewhat personal taste as it slightly reminds me of the discontinued Yamaha CP33. I've mentioned in previous post that I loved the CP33 because of its simplicity, sound, workhorse design, and just fun to play. I guess I'm thinking that Korg might have have acknowledged that classic board when designing the D1 and made it even better perhaps. Again, I need to play it before I comment on it any further.


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Thank you for the clarification Marko.

I largely agree with your post, especially about the fondly-remembered CP33. However, I disagree that anyone necessarily needs to play an instrument before being allowed to comment about it. wink

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I would advise anyone considering the D1 to play it first, or at least get it from somewhere that has a good returns policy. I would say that about any digital piano of course.

Firstly, I would seriously doubt the sound engine has any connection with the Kronos or Grandstage.

A better guess is that it is related to the G1 (which I have) and/or C1 (which I've never played but which I imagine to be a somewhat cut-down version of the G1). The G1 is their flagship home piano, with supposedly new (and more) piano sounds. Whilst to me it makes sense that the D1 is related to G1 I would sincerely hope that is not the case for those interested in the D1.....

Most of the basic piano tones on the G1 are nice. There are three variations each of three distinctly different pianos (German, Austrian, Japanese). I think C1 has German and Japanese but omits the Austrian. I don't know how Korg are describing the D1's pianos.

I really like the RH3 action; it's the best feature of the G1. It's not in Kawai's league, or even Roland PHA-50, but it is very nice nonetheless.

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The 'Austrian Grand' sounds very nice indeed but plays a little too boldly at low velocities; you just can't play it quietly enough in my opinion.

The 'Japanese Grand' is, for me anyway, just not a sound that I would ever use. Frankly I think that Korg's idea of a Japanese Grand is just plain awful; thin and unpleasant. If you are expecting a fat, ballsy, musical Yamaha sound then you are going to be seriously disappointed.

The 'German Grand' is the best, most versatile, sound on the Korg, in my opinion.

However, I think ALL the Korg's pianos have a serious dynamics problem. To explain: I think there are about four velocity layers in the piano sounds. No blending or interpolation that I can make out. And the mezzo forte layer (for want of a better term) is the issue. There is no tonal or even perceptible volume change at this layer. You can play it and try to inject some dynamics but it is completely static until you play a tad harder and trigger the top layer sample and then all the pianos transition instantly into the high velocity sample layer in a very jarring way. Listening does not reveal this characteristic, only playing will do that and then it becomes very clear to the player that the piano does not have a linear response to what you, the player, is doing. For me that is the basic purpose of a piano and the Korg fails.

Cards on the table: for me any Korg that has the same sound engine and/or velocity map of the G1 is borderline unplayable. There. Blunt as that may seem, I've said it. Approach these Korgs with caution.


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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston


The reason I think I like the D1 is somewhat personal taste as it slightly reminds me of the discontinued Yamaha CP33. I've mentioned in previous post that I loved the CP33 because of its simplicity, sound, workhorse design, and just fun to play.


That's how I feel about the RH3 and GH and Ivory-Feel actions. They're not the best out there, but are strong, time-tested dp actions that play fine, and imo you can do a lot worse than be "stuck with” any one of these, especially in the budget class.

ESS, have you played the SV1? I don't recall it having limited dynamics/velocity matters as you describe (so it may have a different engine than the G1). But I did sit down at an old Kurzweil CUP2 a few times and quickly noticed exactly what you were talking about, especially in the pp-p transition: immediate, jarring, and just takes you out of the moment.


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ESS, have you played the SV1? I don't recall it having limited dynamics/velocity matters as you describe (so it may have a different engine than the G1). But I did sit down at an old Kurzweil CUP2 a few times and quickly noticed exactly what you were talking about, especially in the pp-p transition: immediate, jarring, and just takes you out of the moment.


It's heartbreaking on the G1 because in other respects it's a decent thing. I bought mine sight unseen direct from Korg at a substantial discount because it was very slightly damaged on the 'lid' (for want of a better word). I took a chance and it hasn't paid off. I've asked friends if their kids want to take up piano and, if so, I'd just give it away to them. No takers yet - so it languishes under my bed, lying right next to my RD-1000.

I have briefly played the SV1 quite some time ago. I don't remember jarring sample layer switching but I do remember very short sustain and uneven key spacings but they were at regular intervals along the keyboard - something I'd noticed on lots of Korgs. Aesthetically that would bug me badly so I moved on. I've glanced at Korgs more recently and they seem to have sorted to key spacing issue. And they released another 'sound pack' for the SV1, didn't they? I think that addressed shortcomings in the piano sounds, most specifically the decay.


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Hi guys, I don’t post comments but keep up with relevant postings and more of a follower of what’s up with piano vst technology but as every couple of years I have to upgrade the slab.
Bought the D1 two months ago and it’s my first time with a Korg and I go way back when the Rhodes suitcase was for years my workhorse and have tried many other slabs through the changes of this world of portability and technology. In the past 20 years I have only had one Yamaha and have stayed with Casio and had three starting with the 100 right when Radio Shack was selling it and I still have it and it’s brand new in condition. Have kept my vst setup with a 350. My experience has been more than satisfying concerning touch but wanted a new experience since the Korg overall through the years have made changes. My points are 1. It is portable but a few pounds heavier for what it is not having 2. speakers, well I don’ need them in comparing low volume output as with Casio. Not good for rehearsing when your surrounded with musicians that are deaf. Surely I’ll have to haul a speaker but I can avoid complaints of not being heard. 3. Carrying case is another subject. Hard or soft, heavy or light, keep in mind plastic cracks and the Korg D1 has thick mdf and this is a plus for protection for any accidental turn around a door. 4 Piano 1 has a wider and deeper sound than Poano 2 which is brighter and going out stereo with two speakers is good enough. One of the electric piano sounds has an incredible phase bouncing left and right. The Other sounds onboard are just the most common one found for use in different styles as with any other keyboard brand. My main issue here is as with the majority of musicians in a band or orchestra that they don’t have a clue between any of the differences in sound quality of any brand or the quality of a piano vst. They do not aurally discriminate that I’m using a good sounding piano. So for me with this new Korg I’ll set up, play the gig, pack up and done with the gig. And horrray, my fellow musicians heard a piano. The D1 is a fast solution for getting the job done. For my own satisfaction at home I’ll enjoy my vst station setup and sorry for my musician friends that do not know how a good piano should sound.

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Keyboard Magazine just did a brief review of D1:

https://www.keyboardmag.com/gear/review-korg-d1-digital-piano


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Is Kawai action RHIII (MP7SE, ES8, CN25, CN35, CN27, CN37) the same as Korg action RHIII? Does anybody know?

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Originally Posted by PWTim
Is Kawai action RHIII (MP7SE, ES8, CN25, CN35, CN27, CN37) the same as Korg action RHIII? Does anybody know?

No, they are completely unrelated.

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The pricing is extremely tempting - I just saw it for 510 euros (+50e for a half-pedal). If I ever have to move and go for a cheaper/more portable setup for a short/medium-term living situation in a different city, this will be a top contender for a VST usage.

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Hi first post ..It will be a likely purchase for me . Forward thinking .. . With the D1 would the Keybed be the same as high end but the electronics be nutured? Opens up the possibility of modders or upgradeable components?

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With the D1 would the Keybed be the same as high end but the electronics be nutured?
Yes, with the caveat that Korg's high end action is not as sophisticated as some other brands' high end actions.
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Opens up the possibility of modders or upgradeable components?

For all intents and purposes, the only way to upgrade it is to use it to drive a VST (computer) piano (which can be done with any MIDI keyboard). If that's your plan, then just find the action you like best within your budget.

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I recently tried (very briefly) the Korg Grandstage, which has the same RH3 action as the D1, and I have to say the action felt completely satisfactorily, definitely above the Yamaha GHS, Kawai RH-C and Roland PHA4-Standard.
If I'd want a low-cost controller to use with VSTs, this would definitely be a top contender.
I have to underline though that I tried it on the fly, only checked the feel and that was that. If I would be on the market for something like this, I'd spend sufficient time with all the models under consideration, preferably hooked up to a laptop and VSTs, to really see how they feel and with which action I'm the happiest.

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I recently tried (very briefly) the Korg Grandstage.... definitely above the Yamaha GHS, Kawai RH-C and Roland PHA4-Standard.


Hmm..above the GHS definitely but I am not sure I would personally go as far to say the same about the PHA4 (I use to own the FP30 and thought it was a fine action). I tried the Korg D1 the other day and whilst I thought it was good it still lacks triple sensor, escapement which the PHA4 has.

If anyone was considering, the similarly priced, D1 or FP30 I would think they'd have a tough choice to make if the action was high up their list...

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I like very much korg rh3 action. Lovely smooth feeling to my taste. And quiet. Comparing with casio standar action is much smooth and quiet. I prefer it also over kawai es110. Too light and hollow to me. I would put rh3 on par with yamaha gh3. Korg feel more sophisticated and yamaha more solid. I have never tried roland.

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Yes, not having the triple sensor is a downside in my opinion as well (but probably one I'd accept if the feeling itself is significantly better). I'm not sure the escapement, the way it's implemented in DPs currently, is such a loss. And the keys are significantly longer which makes for a nicer playing experience. They felt nice and solid and weren't noisy. That's why I'm thinking it's better.
And I also like the PHA4-standard in the FP30 - that's definitely my preferred action in that price range, or was until the D1. But as I was saying, if I was buying in that budget, I'd thoroughly test them connected to a notebook running my preferred VST.

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I just got the D1.

Have been playing on a Roland RP-301 in the living room for the past 6 years. It has the Ivory Feel G keybed. I was looking for a 88 key library controller for my homestudio with a budget of about 600 euros.
I tested the Studiologic SL88 Studio, the Korg D1 and the Roland FP-30 comparing the key action in the same session. The studio logic which uses a TP100LR Fatar keybed had a really stiff action, the FP-30 really light (quite some lighter than the Ivory Feel G in my RP-301). The D1 sits in between the two being medium heavy.

From the 3 key actions I liked the D1 the most. It's also quite a step up from my RP-301 allowing for faster/easier less sluggish play. The sound of grand 1 is quite ok but I'm going to use it mainly as a controller for Kontakt Piano libraries. It has no triple sensor which the other two models have, but I was able to do note repetitions faster on the Korg,

Only downside to me is no USB or Bluetooth midi (DIN midi works fine though).

Design wise I liked the SL88 Studio the most, but the action was to stiff to my liking.

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Update. After testing the D1 with two of my favorite piano libraries, an unacceptable issue came to the surface.

De velocity curve is off in this piano. It has 5 settings: setting two and three are the most hard settings. Even on those settings the minimum velocity I could get out of it was about 15 while in my Roland RP301 it is like 2 or 3 consistent in PP play.
This problem won't be that noticeable on its onboard sounds as there are not that much velocity layers.


The Bechstein C Digital Grand library has a realtime velocity histogram which showed clearly that it is virtually impossible to play PP while on the RP-301 and the SL88 this is possible without too much effort.

So if you want to buy this board to control high quality multi velocity layer piano libraries beware of the fact that playing pianissimo pieces will be very very difficult even on Touch level 3.

As a gigging device on PA system with Epiano sounds or pop piano, the D1 will be a awesome key action stage piano because the mechanics feel great.

I traded it for the SL88 Studio and this board has a really good velocity response out of the box (even better than the RP-301). The key action is stiffer but I will get used to that.

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De velocity curve is off in this piano. It has 5 settings: setting two and three are the most hard settings. Even on those settings the minimum velocity I could get out of it was about 15 while in my Roland RP301 it is like 2 or 3 consistent in PP play.
This problem won't be that noticeable on its onboard sounds as there are not that much velocity layers.


The Bechstein C Digital Grand library has a realtime velocity histogram which showed clearly that it is virtually impossible to play PP while on the RP-301 and the SL88 this is possible without too much effort.

So if you want to buy this board to control high quality multi velocity layer piano libraries beware of the fact that playing pianissimo pieces will be very very difficult even on Touch level 3.


Now this is a problem when trying out DPs. Everyone says you pick the best action within your budget. You play it at the store (with sound on/off) and it may seem nice. But you won't know what that action does when the DP is connected to a computer. The limitations of the internal sound engine may hide the inadequacies of the action.

The Korg RH3 action is supposed to be quite good, and I added the D1 to my shortlist today as it is priced quite attractively. I have tried the same action with other Korg models and found it okay/acceptable. I can work around the absence of USB-to-host. But if the mechanics of the key movement are not translated to appropriate midi messages, I don't see the point of it.

I have similar questions about the CDP-S100 and PX-S1000 actions, but there isn't much information out there.

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Maybe RH3 configuration in D1 is faulty, or Tjong just had faulty unit. In Grandstage, which has RH3 as well, it sends full MIDI range. I was able to get everything from 1 to 127 when tested it in Pianoteq.

The thing is, I'm not sure each Korg's RH3 is the same. I had SP-250 many years ago and I remember it to be much worse then current generation. Maybe they improved it without changing the name?


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The thing is, I'm not sure each Korg's RH3 is the same. I had SP-250 many years ago and I remember it to be much worse then current generation. Maybe they improved it without changing the name?


If my $100 midi controller with a spotty action provides values in the 1-127 range, I don't see why a $600 DP should struggle with it.

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Maybe RH3 configuration in D1 is faulty, or Tjong just had faulty unit.


Quite possible. Unfortunately, if I buy this it will have to be a blind purchase. I have tested the action, but I cannot test this exact model.

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It sure is. And the keyboard uses eight different hammers.

But what I find surprising is this:
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Korg is not a producer of own Keyboards.
In old Korg products you will find mostly Yamaha Keyboards.
In newer Keyboards you will find mostly Fatar Keyboards


So, who exactly designed the RH3 action?

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It sure is. And the keyboard uses eight different hammers.

But what I find surprising is this:
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Korg is not a producer of own Keyboards.
In old Korg products you will find mostly Yamaha Keyboards.
In newer Keyboards you will find mostly Fatar Keyboards


So, who exactly designed the RH3 action?




RH3 is Korg's own action.

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RH3 is Korg's own action.


Good to know that. There has been talk of them using Fatar keybeds long after RH3 showed up.

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Went to the store, again, today, mainly to test the Korg RH3 hammer action. They had two models available. The G1 (with I mistook for the G1 Air last time round), and the LP380. I chose to spend time with the G1.

Last time, I said that the action was "acceptable," but I didn't spend a lot of time on it as I was more interested in the Casio CDP and dedicated most of my time to it. I would like to revise my opinion.

The instruments I tried today:

  • Casio CDP-235 (Scaled Hammer Action)
  • Korg SP-280 (NH)
  • Korg G1 (RH3)
  • Yamaha YDP 143 (GHS)
  • Yamaha YDP 163 (GH3)
  • Yamaha CLP 645 (NWX)
  • Pearl River GPXXX acoustic grand with some pianodisc player widget attached


The G1 and the acoustic grand were the only instruments I tested with the sound on. All the other tests were purely based on the keybed response.

I would put the RH3, GH3 and NWX actions very close to each other. All of them are nice to play, and have the same, minor difficulty when playing near the fallboard. The acoustic grand, obviously, doesn't have this problem. However, while its keys have "weight," they feel much lighter and are therefore easier to play than any of the aforementioned actions.

The Casio SHA, Korg NH and Yamaha GHS actions are close enough to each other, but in this group I'd definitely pick the Casio.

Based on all the actions I have tried, I'd say that the Casio actions and the Korg RH3 are probably the best ones you can find for less than $1500 in my country. I cannot comment on the Roland PHA 4 action as I haven't tried it yet.

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I cannot comment on the Roland PHA 4 action as I haven't tried it yet.
The Roland PHA-4 has been out for several years in the FP30 and other pianos. Is it just that there are no stores that carry Roland in your area? Or have the Rolands just not made it into your market?


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is it just that there are no stores that carry Roland in your area? Or have the Rolands just not made it into your market?


Roland has a presence in the country, but their DPs are generally available only when you specifically order it, and I am not even sure if they offer any kind of warranty. I think there is one store within a 100 mile radius which might have an FP-10 demo unit; and this is according to their distributor for this region.

Casio, Yamaha, Korg and Kawai have a much, much better presence in my city.

The Kawai distributor actually offered to send a CA48 to my home to test it out as I couldn't try it during my Mumbai visit a couple of months back. They are moving to a new showroom, so I guess the demo piece has been dismantled in preparation for the move. I said no as I had no intention of wasting his time.

I don't think the Roland guys would even make that offer.

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