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#2705959 - 01/18/18 05:24 AM Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano  
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Hello folks,

Here's some new product information that you may be interested in:

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Kawai Japan is proud to announce the CA58 digital piano, the latest addition to the popular Concert Artist series of digital pianos, and the fourth model of the ‘8 series’ range. This attractive instrument combines Kawai’s new Grand Feel Compact wooden-key keyboard action and Harmonic Imaging XL sound engine, featuring Shigeru Kawai SK-EX and Kawai EX concert grand piano sounds, while also boasting built-in Bluetooth® wireless connectivity, a powerful 4-speaker 100W output system, and a premium quality cabinet design, delivering best-in-class touch, tone, and features at an outstanding price.

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Kawai Global website: CA58 product page

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#2705960 - 01/18/18 05:24 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Main Features

- New Grand Feel Compact wooden-key keyboard action
- Harmonic Imaging XL sound engine, Shigeru Kawai SK-EX and Kawai EX concert grand piano sounds
- Integrated Bluetooth® MIDI for wireless communication with smart devices
- Powerful, 100W high fidelity 4-speaker output system
- Flexible Virtual Technician function with intuitive Smart Mode feature
- USB, MIDI, and Line In/Out connectivity, with MP3/WAV audio record and playback
- Built-in Burgmüller, Czerny, Beyer etudes and Alfred lesson songs
- Premium quality cabinet design available in three different wood finishes


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#2705963 - 01/18/18 05:32 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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And that makes CA48 out of date.

Any price and availability info?

#2705965 - 01/18/18 05:37 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Or it may lower its price, which would make it interesting as a piano controller. Otherwise, if it keeps its current price, the ca58 will be similar in price to the CA67, which is more than it's worth IMHO.

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#2705966 - 01/18/18 05:38 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Ha! I knew it!

When Kawai shuffled the model numbers around and went from "17, 67, 97" to "48, 78, 98" I wondered about it. I noticed, that this meant that the two top models were moved closed together in their numbers, but while the lowest model was moved up too, there was still a curious gap. It would have made more sense to move from 17 to 58, because then there would have been a nice sequence of "58, 78, 98". But since that wasn't done, and seeing that the CA48 was also arguably "below" its predecessor CA17 (with only Progressive Harmonic Imaging, and no longer with Harmonic Imaging XL), and seeing that the CA78 was moved "up" in price relative to its predecessor, I really felt that this gap between 48 and 78 was intentionally left open to leave room for another model, that would be a "real" (slightly better) successor to the CA17.

And here were are: A model with GFC and HI-XL.

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#2705967 - 01/18/18 05:40 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kenny Cheng]  
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Hello Kenny,

Originally Posted by Kenny Cheng
And that makes CA48 out of date.


Not really, the CA58 offers higher specifications than the CA48.

We can perhaps think of the CA58 as a CN37 with a wooden-key action, HI-XL sound, more powerful amp/speaker system, and a larger (CA78) cabinet.
By contrast, the CA48 is closer to a CN27, but with a wooden-key action, upgraded 4-speaker output system, and slightly larger cabinet.

Originally Posted by Kenny Cheng
Any price and availability info?


This question is perhaps best answered by Kawai dealers, however I believe European customers can expect to see the CA58 in mid March, priced in between the CA48 and CA58 CA78.

I hope this helps.

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#2705969 - 01/18/18 05:47 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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I believe you meant "priced between CA48 and CA78".

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#2705975 - 01/18/18 05:57 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Looks like a nice lineup now:

CA48: GFC and PHI, 4 speakers, 40W
CA58: GFC and HI-XL, 4 speakers, 100W
CA78: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers, 100W
CA98: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers + TwinDrive soundboard, 135W


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#2705976 - 01/18/18 06:02 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JoBert]  
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now:

CA48: GFC and PHI, 4 speakers, 40W
CA58: GFC and HI-XL, 4 speakers, 100W
CA78: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers, 100W
CA98: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers + TwinDrive soundboard, 135W


Missing CA68 & CA88 grin

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#2705978 - 01/18/18 06:06 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JoBert]  
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now...


Indeed. wink

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#2705986 - 01/18/18 06:55 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: JoBert]  
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now


The lineup makes sense. But I'm still quite disgruntled with the fact that last generation's low end model (CA17) had a better sound engine than the new generarion's low end model (CA48) at the same price. Considering that budget VST instruments are better than even HI-XL, I consider that a big letdown. I would expect DP manufacturers to try catching up to VST instruments, instead of taking steps back!

And I now expect the CA58 to have a similar price to the old CA67, while having the same sound engine and speakers, but a lesser action. So overall the whole CA line got more expensive for the same features, or got worse features for the same price.

(Sorry, Kawai_James, I hate to annoy you, but IMHO Kawai deserves some heavy complaints about the CA48 sound engine. Considering how fast technology moves forward these days, using a 5+ year old technology in a new product just doesn't cut it, IMHO.)

#2705987 - 01/18/18 06:59 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Now the PHI sound on the CA48 makes sense; it is needed to differentiate it from the CA58. So really, the CA58 is the proper successor to the CA17, not the CA48. I think that's worth bearing in mind when comparing prices across generations. It will be interesting to see the relative price points of the four models.


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#2705996 - 01/18/18 07:33 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now...


Indeed. wink


Was the pixelating yours? because that is still quite readable... smile

#2706001 - 01/18/18 07:40 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Bambers]  
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Indeed, if you move back from your screen, it become readable (but nothing compromising in this text)


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#2706006 - 01/18/18 07:53 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Bambers]  
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Originally Posted by Bambers
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now...


Indeed. wink


Was the pixelating yours? because that is still quite readable... smile


Yeah, I think you're right. It seems to say:-

"Buy competitors products at each price point.

Big gaps in the line up."
laugh Perhaps he's trying to tell us something secretly? grin


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#2706011 - 01/18/18 08:01 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: mcoll]  
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Originally Posted by mcoll
Or it may lower its price, which would make it interesting as a piano controller. Otherwise, if it keeps its current price, the ca58 will be similar in price to the CA67, which is more than it's worth IMHO.


As discussed numerous times, the lack of line in made the 48 (like its predecessor 17) useless as a controller. This however sounds great - exactly what the 17 and 48 should have been! Let's see if peterws will buy one! smile

I agree that the 48 becomes immedately obsolate. Between the 58 (great controller or affordable top piano with great action and HIXL engine) and the CN37 (same HI engine, but many more features and connectivity) I don't see why anyone would pick the 48.

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#2706012 - 01/18/18 08:09 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Nice... I think CA-58 is the real successor of CA-17 not CA48 smile

I hope there will be a similar line-up of portable digital pianos from ES110 to MP11SE sooner or later, especially with a portable bequivalent for CA58 smile


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#2706013 - 01/18/18 08:21 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: karvala]  
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Originally Posted by karvala

Yeah, I think you're right. It seems to say:-

"Buy competitors products at each price point.

Big gaps in the line up." laugh Perhaps he's trying to tell us something secretly?

That is strange, I read something totally different than you.
I can clearly recognize the text :
"Wait a bit, the new CS12 will be announced in NAMM 2018"
which is what I really hoped !


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#2706023 - 01/18/18 08:57 AM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Jasper E.]  
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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
Nice... I think CA-58 is the real successor of CA-17 not CA48 smile


Yeah, but don't be surprised if the CA58 will end up at the price of the CA67.

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As also discussed before, the line in isn't the best option if you truly want to enjoy vsts, especially on mid-level pianos with mediocre sound systems. There are also other arguments against this.
Even on top pianos, I'm not sure a vst player back through the line in would compete well with their own sounds which get split among the speakers to recreate the spatiality of actual piano sounds.
When I'm thinking of a piano controller, I want the best possible action and don't care about other stuff that much. I'm happy to have a stand included in the price, with a nice look and room to place my display on top, even the monitor speakers.
How come the vpc1 is good as a controller wihlthout a line in?
Don't get me wrong, I see the attraction of having a line in, but if the sound that you get isn't at least as good as the internal sound (and it usually isn't via line in), then there no point to using it and you're way better off with studio monitors.

PS. If the ca58 won't be priced significantly lower than the CA67, it will feel like a rip-off.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cheng
Originally Posted by JoBert
Looks like a nice lineup now:

CA48: GFC and PHI, 4 speakers, 40W
CA58: GFC and HI-XL, 4 speakers, 100W
CA78: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers, 100W
CA98: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers + TwinDrive soundboard, 135W


Missing CA68 & CA88 grin


Here we go laugh

CA48: GFC and PHI, 4 speakers, 40W
CA58: GFC and HI-XL, 4 speakers, 100W
CA68: GFC and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 4 speakers, 100W
CA78: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers, 100W
CA88: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers total (4 + 2 x 10 inch subwoofers), 135W
CA98: GFII and SK-EX-Rendering + HI-XL, 6 speakers + TwinDrive soundboard, 135W


Thank James look like an interesting model.

As for the price I'd like to think £1800, but i think we have to accept that Kawai are just getting a little bit more expensive these days in the UK it seems to me. I suspect it will more likely sit at the £1900 - 2000 mark, putting it right in between the prices of the CA48, around £1650 and £2550 in the UK. So there is an argument to be had to hoover up the remaining CA67s while you can at around £2000, there are still plenty around it seems.

On the other hand, it seems yamaha are coming down a bit in price with some models, except with the flagship 685. A CLP575 used be around £2700 - 2800 in its day, versus the Kawai CA67 much cheaper, below £2000 at the time IIRC, which were arguably instruments in a similar league I saw as direct competitors at the time.

Now we have the CLP 675 pushed around £2300 or even less in some places with some upgrades from the previous 575, down by £500, and the CA78 with some upgrades at around £2550, up by £500 from the CA67.

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#2706095 - 01/18/18 12:26 PM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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Interesting. Seems like a direct answer to the 645.

Didn't see that one coming, to be honest.


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Hmmm ...

Progress is being made

Now, need a really barebones CA28 - just the keyboard, no cabinet/stand

And then ... ... ... drum roll

Bring all of them to the United States



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#2706104 - 01/18/18 01:17 PM Re: Kawai announces Concert Artist CA58 digital piano [Re: Kawai James]  
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You might just as well buy a MP11 SE.

I don't see wooden action + speakers in a slab to be honest.


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Originally Posted by Granyala
Interesting. Seems like a direct answer to the 645.

We will see if it arrives the same price (currently 1999 € for the CLP-645).

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Nice... I think CA-58 is the real successor of CA-17 not CA48 smile


Yeah, but don't be surprised if the CA58 will end up at the price of the CA67.


We will see... I would expect CA58 to be at least somewhat cheaper at start, as there are still some CA-67 pieces with full warranty on the market plus CA78/CA98 could still generate higher supply on the second-hand market.

Initial pricing for the first months -- up to half a year -- is one topic, and prices later can be also a different one.


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Haha @ Kawai James. grin

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James, will this one be available in the US?

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Next time, James, open it in mspaint, mark what you want removed and hit [del].
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