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Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2702339
01/05/18 11:35 AM
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May be a little banner "No get-a-teacher comments, please." in the end of a post could be helpful.

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Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2702368
01/05/18 12:43 PM
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@Inero

I don't think I said anything about it being complicated.
I said I have nothing to do with deciding if it gets created or not.

And what you refer to as my "claims" - are based on 8 years of posting here, and half of that time as a moderator. I get asked to move posts all the time because people don't realize which forum they're in.

As I said before, - in my opinion- a subforum won't stop those with teachers posting in a "teacherless" forum.
Non techs post in the technician forum,
non teachers post in the teachers' forum
non classical folks post in the classical forum
non beginners post in the beginners' forum....

I honestly don't see that a teacher-less forum would be any exception to what's a reality now.

But again, it's not my decision, just my opinion, based on my own experiences. Yours may be different.


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Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Inero] #2702556
01/06/18 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Inero
I would suggest that, contrary to what you claim, most posters are fully aware of what subforum they are posting on.


I can't comment on other people, but I only look at the "Active threads" list. Although this does show the sub-forum that contains the thread, the thread itself does not, so far as I can tell. So by the time I've read the latest post, I've forgotten what the sub-forum was, if I ever knew. I don't know if other people use the forum this way; my point is only that there are legitimate reasons for not know what sub-forum one is posting in.

In a web forum it makes sense to have sub-forums based on topic areas, but the notion of sub-forums for particular classes of people is a non-starter, unless access restrictions are enforced by the system. Some web forums actually do this, for various reasons. But is that what is wanted here? If you had a forum for self-taught pianists, would your really want to exclude anybody who had a teacher? Or anybody who ever had a teacher?

It seems to me that what the OP really wants to exclude is irritating and unhelpful responses; but irritating and unhelpful responses is the very essence of a public forum. We all just have to learn to filter out responses that are unhelpful to us.

Just my £0.02, as ever.

Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2702677
01/06/18 04:27 PM
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This thread strikes me as a conversation that has fallen off the rails. My reading of the OP is that he/she simply floated the idea of having a subforum for the, apparently reasonable large, contingent of learners who go it alone for various reasons. I don't see any notion of exclusion is involved,.

After all, PW already has subforums for people interested, for example, in DP, for people in a classical mode, for people in non-classical, for people who are tuners, and for people who are teachers. There are even subforums for people interested in mechanical stuff.
Why should anyone feel threatened by the OP's request?
Beats me.

Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2702791
01/07/18 03:53 AM
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I'm not threatened. I think it's a good idea, in principle. I'm just not sure it would solve the problem the OP alludes to, that's all.

Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2704960
01/14/18 10:11 PM
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Well, I vote to get a sub-forum too. Dreamingstill's idea is excellent...


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Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Dreamingstill] #2704984
01/15/18 12:59 AM
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I'd like to suggest ...

The Practice Forum
- all the learning we do on our own - outside of lessons

This covers the needs of 'self-taught pianists', but still includes regular students as well as teachers. And it makes the 'get a teacher' advice less relevant to the conversations. So a win-win all around.


(*except for those people who don't practice wink )


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Re: Just for self-taught pianists [Re: Groove On] #2705019
01/15/18 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Groove On
I'd like to suggest ...

The Practice Forum
- all the learning we do on our own - outside of lessons

This covers the needs of 'self-taught pianists', but still includes regular students as well as teachers. And it makes the 'get a teacher' advice less relevant to the conversations. So a win-win all around.


(*except for those people who don't practice wink )


Don't we already have that in the Beginners Forum ? - I think it's called what did you play today or some such, and there's one curently about how you practice, divide up your time etc.

I still think it's a nice idea but personally I am cutting back on my social internet and would feel spread too thin if there were too many subforums that are similar. I still like the idea though. Just that unless it was password protected and you had to apply to get the password you would still get people posting that have a teacher and suggest you need one. Just my thoughts anyway.

Last edited by Bach_ingMaddie; 01/15/18 05:14 AM. Reason: Hitting the wrong keys again :)

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