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Re: Dealer refusing a specific piano technician inspection [Re: Osho] #2704865
01/14/18 02:39 PM
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I would be one of those technicians who can find significant faults with almost any piano made or rebuilt in the world.

The reason I can do this is I know a tremendous amount about how pianos should be engineered and designed to maximize expressive tone, facile touch, dynamic control, stability of function and highest resistance to deterioration from use.

There are so many obvious problems with the vast majority of pianos regarding string terminations, hammer mass and pedal systems to just limit my remarks to three areas.

Many pianos have too round V-bars, (except for some of the new Kawai's I have seen). Many have too hard metal at the termination points. Almost all pianos come with hammers way too heavy to produce a wide dynamic range in the treble and they make a tremendous "whap" when the hammer strikes. And the design, materials and implementing of most pedal systems leaves much to be desired in proper control and durability. Many start squeaking/groaning within a few months of purchase. Proper design could eliminate almost all these problems.

As a good analogy I often compare the current state of piano engineering to the era of the Model T Ford. No real effort has been made to investigate and implement engineering into piano designs that would bring them into the 21st century. However, the piano factories have become much more modern in their production methods than their products.


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Re: Dealer refusing a specific piano technician inspection [Re: Osho] #2704924
01/14/18 06:21 PM
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Appraisals of anything very much depend on the cost and value of the instrument.
Outside catastrophic damages, most things can be repaired or brought to a higher standard by a competent tech. Which again depends on original cost of the instrument as well as cost of qualified repairs.

Fact however is that there are some who seem to get a strange sense of satisfaction to poo-poo whatever gets under their hands. Cost, intention,expertise and mindset all are of important in this. There's no quick "right" or "wrong" and every case has to be evaluated on its own merit. HOWEVER, and I say this with great caution, there are occasionally some irritants that take away from all of this. One is a tech who works for other brands [often not fully revealed to the unsuspecting consumer] and those who are perhaps good tuners but not great techs. Which is unfortunately more the norm than the exception.

In Vancouver BC for example, we have a tech who was thrown out bythe store owner after criticizing virtually each and every new Fazioli he saw. This store has meantime become world's largest dealer of Fazioli. Hardly a feat by not being of excellent or at least "very good" repute. Same is true for virtually all others in our area here. And IMHO all other store owners would answer the question same.

Basic fact is that there's a level playing field by which most people will understand or eventually "get" things. One doesn't need extreme positions or opinions to accomplish this. A little common sense and research of things can still go a long way. There's no 'right' and 'wrong', only "what makes actually sense"
To the benefit of the customer and fairness to the store.

Norbert

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Re: Dealer refusing a specific piano technician inspection [Re: Norbert] #2704962
01/14/18 09:20 PM
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So Norbert there is no "right or wrong" shape to a V-bar? With the attitude evinced in your post, reality becomes an entirely subjective experience. Piano customers deserve to have a choice to find pianos that work well for a lifetime. The current piano manufacturing industry is very poor at providing this consistently.


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Re: Dealer refusing a specific piano technician inspection [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2704995
01/15/18 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Many pianos have too round V-bars.

U-bars? wink ha


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Re: Dealer refusing a specific piano technician inspection [Re: Rickster] #2704998
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Originally Posted by Rickster
online ratings can be manipulated, slanted and tainted; reputations can be exaggerated (in both directions).

Speaking of which, did the documentary that master88er used to talk about ever get published (I missed a lot in the 2 years my wife was sick)?


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