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How to get this sound - silent movie piano #2704637
01/13/18 04:18 PM
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If I could get this piano sound out of any virtual piano, it'd be great. I've thought maybe a Bösendorfer would be closest, from East West, or maybe the Big Fish Audio Silver Concert Grand. I've tried with the AcousticSamples C7, but it's bass is a bit boxy.

Any ideas? Pianoteq 6 comes to mind, as it's tweaking possibilities are huge, but it's hard to get rid of that metallic or synthetic sound in it's models. Come to think of it, a bit of metallic edge is fine, as the original piano in this score in Chaplin's Gold Rush, has some metallic bite.

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Re: How to get this sound - silent movie piano [Re: TheodorN] #2704644
01/13/18 04:49 PM
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Pianoteq, a nice "basic grand" like the Blüthner, increase "Hammer hardness" under the "Voicing" section.

Maybe also play with the "Condition" slider at the bottom and/or the "Unison width" under the "Tuning section".

Both can make the sound less "perfect", though the piano on the movie soundtrack wasn't in bad shape, apparently. Just with a bit hard hammers.

There's a free demo version of Pianoteq available.

Re: How to get this sound - silent movie piano [Re: clothearednincompo] #2704666
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The version you linked isn't what I expected. It sounds like a nice grand piano that's being pounded to it's limit in order to fill a theatre. I've done this kind of gig, and that's what you do to be heard. If you don't want to pound, then just adjust the velocity curve.

What I don't hear is the common 'rinky-dink' stereotype for a bar room piano. i.e., out of tune, hard hammers, brittleness, etc. 50 years ago players would add a little phase-shifting to get the out-of-tune sound.

Re: How to get this sound - silent movie piano [Re: TheodorN] #2704759
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Wish I could freeze the post counter, cool to have 2,222 posts. Hate to spoil it, but this comment will be number 2,223.

I'll try with the Blüthner, but it sounds like I need the Standard version for the changes you're suggesting. I know there's a demo for that one as well, but I'd hate to get attached to the Standard version, since I'm not willing to fork out for more than Pianoteq 6 Stage, at the moment.

Pianoman51, this is not the typical bar room ragtime piano sound, so often heard in the silent movies. Neil Brand composed this score, and he has composed piano arrangements for many silent movies. A quick Google search didn't give me any info as to what kind of piano was used.

Edit Pianoteq 6 Blüthner, seems to do fine for this Chaplin Gold Rush piano I'm trying to mimick, even without tweaks. Blüthner Prelude.

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Re: How to get this sound - silent movie piano [Re: TheodorN] #2705073
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There is definitely a nice attack on that piano that is reminiscent of the old Roland “piano 2” samples. I find this sound useful for dance music as well. On my Kawai ES8, the Pop Grand and Rock Piano have some of this character. You can tweak these further by changing the EQ to “treble boost” or “mid cut,” or setting the virtual technician to Bright 1, Bright 2, or Dynamic; or increasing the Brilliance setting.


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