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Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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Hello everybody,
I have a bit more general question: How would you rate the disadvantage of older (let's keep it within max 10 years), probably used DPs (no focus on the used aspect, though)? I only read about all the fantastic upgrades which come with the newer generations, but how big is this impact actually?
Additionally: Are the benefits of newer DPs weighing up a probably higher class but old DP? Some examples, for which I would just like to assume are available at similar prices: - Yamaha CLP 470 vs CLP 625 (the 470 comes with wooden, individually weighted keys but is about 6 years old) - Kawai CA 13 vs CN 27 (again, wooden keys on the old CA 13, but I think like 7 years old) - Yamaha P95 vs P45 vs Kawai CN23 The older models probably have the advantage on the action, but how much did that improve over the years? The current models probably the better sound, but...
Any comments / experience? Thank you!
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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The older models probably have the advantage on the action, but how much did that improve over the years? The current models probably the better sound, but...
Why do you think the older models have the advantage on the action? In general, the actions in DP have been getting better over years, not worse for the same price range DPs. Sound has certainly improved significantly - as the cost of memory and processing power has fallen. But, not as much as I would like - I still use VSTs primarily. The one area where I think not much has improved in general is speakers + amps. Osho
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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[/quote=Osho] Why do you think the older models have the advantage on the action? In general, the actions in DP have been getting better over years, not worse for the same price range DPs. [/quote]
Because originally, the old DPs I listed here where in a (signigficantly) higher price range. E.g. the CLP 470 was sold for about twice as much as the CLP 625 is now, thus featuring wooden, individually weighted keys vs. plastic, group-weighted keys on the 625.
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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Why do you think the older models have the advantage on the action? In general, the actions in DP have been getting better over years, not worse for the same price range DPs.
Because originally, the old DPs I listed here where in a (signigficantly) higher price range. E.g. the CLP 470 was sold for about twice as much as the CLP 625 is now, thus featuring wooden, individually weighted keys vs. plastic, group-weighted keys on the 625. Oh, well in that case - it is apples to orange comparison. But, I can say that if you compare a piano in $4000 range from 10 years to something in the same range today - the action has significantly improved. Sadly, the same cannot be said for the speakers+amps. Osho
Mason & Hamlin BB Kawai CA-67 + Garritan CFX/Pianoteq 6
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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We have some sort of Korg digital piano in the listening room at the library where I work. I had nothing to do with its purchase. I looked it up once and it was at least ten years old, although I can't remember the model number. I'm sure that it cost a lot of money, and an entire committee here was probably involved in choosing it, and I'm sure it was considered realistic at the time. Alas, the one time I sat down and played it a little, it felt much more like the "piano lab" pianos I remember from the '80s, and not at all like even close to the entry-level Yamaha I bought used five years ago (have since upgraded).
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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Yamaha's progression in lightweight hammer action slabs was P85 to P95 to P105 to P115, all with the same action, but with some improvements as they went along (and sometimes a step backwards, i.e. the P105/P115 lost the MIDI jacks). When they got to the P105, they also came out with a lower end line, P35 ---> P45, though they also use the same action.
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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I get to see moderate to high-use digital pianos regularly as someone who spends time teaching in group/class piano labs. It is my perception that, with age and use, digital actions do deteriorate in performance before they fail. The lab we just replaced, for example, had some keyboards where the pedals all functioned and all 88 keys did work, but not to the same degree of precision, noise, or appearance as they did when the units were new. Given that springs, rubber, and felt are often part of the build, it merits consideration for someone with high-performance expectations.
clothearednincompo, I think the oldest NW Yamaha action I remember playing was the CLP-280, back around 2004. I remember thinking it was quite nice at the time...
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Re: Effect of aging / old, "good" vs new, "cheaper"
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The difference between NW and NWX is the escapement simulation : if we are carefull, when pressing a key, they is a little added force halfway we can feel. I don’t think this will help playing the piano.
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